Trinket Discussion - Page 14

Trickykid · 01/20/09, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Talimar

Guys, is there any addon that keeps track of your trinket procs? Like one that says trinket x procced x seconds ago? I'm trying to avoid using pot of speed when my embrace of the spider is off it's cooldown since that would bring me below the global cooldown when heroism is up.

Any buffbar should do this, no? I have my buffbar ignore every buff that isn't actionable, so I can see the ones that are worth noticing. You can also try PowerAuras to make a symbol appear on your screen when this buff is active (and a timer for when it will expire).

turturin · 01/20/09, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by dcpwns

Haven't really kept up on this part of the forum.So been glancing over some post and its proven that the Sundial is better then Embrace of the Spider? I mean the haste proc doesn't seem so good compared to the dmg proc of Sundial but the static spell power blows the crit out of the water. I guess with both procs taken into effect the +dmg on both trinkets are around the same and its comes down to a matter of trinket proc I suppose. Is the reason people prefer the Sundial or that it is better because of the haste proc on Embrace bad for rotations?

I think you've pretty much summed it up actually. If it helps, the embrace and sundial are very close, close enough that you could make varying situational arguments why one would be better than the other that would go beyond the math, and you wouldn't be wrong.

Perhaps, since the question seems to come up a lot, it would help to think in terms of tiers of value:

Tier 1: Illustration of the Dragon Soul and Dying Curse
Tier 2: Sundial and Embrace of the Spider
Tier 3: Extract of Necromantic Power, Mark of the War Prisoner, Etc...

Reasonable people and/or gear setups might cause you to value a given option in a tier over the other one.

krilz · 01/20/09, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by Talimar

Guys, is there any addon that keeps track of your trinket procs? Like one that says trinket x procced x seconds ago? I'm trying to avoid using pot of speed when my embrace of the spider is off it's cooldown since that would bring me below the global cooldown when heroism is up.

Proculas does exact this and can be found at Curse. It's a bit buggy and gives error messages now and then but works without any bigger problems (I used it a month ago so those bugs might have been fixed).

Shodan30 · 01/20/09, 3:48 PM

I've currently got the sundial, and am next in line for dying curse. Do these stack? are they on a shared internal cooldown or are they independant of each other.

Thanks for the info

Simonus · 01/20/09, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

I've currently got the sundial, and am next in line for dying curse. Do these stack? are they on a shared internal cooldown or are they independant of each other.

Thanks for the info

Both trinkets can proc at the same time and they do stack, yes.

Talimar · 01/20/09, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by Trickykid

Any buffbar should do this, no? I have my buffbar ignore every buff that isn't actionable, so I can see the ones that are worth noticing. You can also try PowerAuras to make a symbol appear on your screen when this buff is active (and a timer for when it will expire).

I think you are misunderstanding. I have no trouble seeing when it's active, but I can't count to 45 in the middle of a fight which is the assumed internal cooldown. And that is what I need the addon to do.

Originally Posted by krilz

Proculas does exact this and can be found at Curse. It's a bit buggy and gives error messages now and then but works without any bigger problems (I used it a month ago so those bugs might have been fixed).

Ok, I will give it a whirl, thank you.

Nienorz · 01/21/09, 2:00 AM

Keep in mind something very important as well...As 0-41-30,i m a tiny bit above hit cap (11+%,since we always raid with sp) and i still see a 6.9% miss on my felguard's swings,and a 9.8% miss on my felguard's cleaves

A guild mate,who is fairly above cap (around 70 rating more than me) has 4,2% miss on swings,and 6,2% miss on cleaves (stats are from latest overall nax25)

Keeping in mind that melee swing is 10-11% of our dmg,and cleave 4-5%, dont you think that getting above hit cap,would offer a nice boost on dps?

For an average of 4k dps, pet's melee hits are (average) 420 dps,and cleave 180 dps,so with my stats,i miss aprox 30 dps from melee hits,and 17.6 dps miss from cleaves,so its a total of 47.6 dps loss

For my friend,with equal gear lvl, the dps loss is 17.6 for melee,and 11.1 on cleaves,so its a total of 28.7

This means,that we have an average 19 dps difference,just cause he has like 70 hit rating more than me...So,with my hybrid spec,i would keep that in mind when compairing dying curse with the other trinkets

(i didnt mention,but its expected:we both have the 3% hit talent)

Shodan30 · 01/21/09, 9:49 AM

Someone posted in the forums that the dragon soul trinket is now proccing off of fel armor healing ticks.

If this is the case, this trinket just became a consistant +200 spell damage trinket.

Faldrath · 01/21/09, 9:53 AM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

Someone posted in the forums that the dragon soul trinket is now proccing off of fel armor healing ticks.

If this is the case, this trinket just became a consistant +200 spell damage trinket.

Ghostcrawler says here that it's a bug, though, so don't count on it for long.

Melbuframa · 01/21/09, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

Someone posted in the forums that the dragon soul trinket is now proccing off of fel armor healing ticks.

If this is the case, this trinket just became a consistant +200 spell damage trinket.

I posted that, Dying Curse is also procing off FA heals. I Hope they fix both. (cant read blue posts at work)

Burberri · 01/21/09, 10:44 AM

What do you bet thats the bug they fix first =). Anyway, its only the fel armor procs that are healing you so if you have a pesky tree keeping LB/rejuv on you could lose the stack if you aren't paying attention.

turturin · 01/21/09, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

Someone posted in the forums that the dragon soul trinket is now proccing off of fel armor healing ticks.

If this is the case, this trinket just became a consistant +200 spell damage trinket.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to what procs it at the moment. It currently procs off:
- gear swaps
- FA ticks (as mentioned), but not overheal
- heatlth funnel, but only sometimes
- DoT ticks, but not all dot applications. Corruption's cast for example does not proc it (the ticks do), but iirc from my testing last night, CoA cast does proc it.
- channeled spells seem to only proc it once

I think its best to wait a few days. This patch seems to have broken more things/have more inconsistencies with the PTR than normal. Let's just hope they hotfix this....weapon swap macros to build trinket stacks isn't really fun, and probably not intended.

Dirich · 01/21/09, 7:07 PM

Has anyone tested the Egg in 3.0.8? I read nothing about any changes.

Heeno · 01/21/09, 8:11 PM

The Egg still procs off of fel armor healing ticks, although this can easily be changed with a hotfix.

Drakh · 01/22/09, 3:57 AM

IotDS has already been hotfixed. Procced from Lifetap and Health Funnel but not from FelArmour Heals anymore.
(EU Servers). Seems they fixed it with the latest Hotfix (my pets got their buff now as well)