Trinket Discussion - Page 15

turturin · 01/22/09, 4:01 AM

Originally Posted by Drakh

IotDS has already been hotfixed. Procced from Lifetap and Health Funnel but not from FelArmour Heals anymore.
(EU Servers). Seems they fixed it with the latest Hotfix (my pets got their buff now as well)

I can confirm this and also gear swapping is no longer triggering it on US servers.

Dirich · 01/22/09, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by Drakh

IotDS has already been hotfixed. Procced from Lifetap and Health Funnel but not from FelArmour Heals anymore.
(EU Servers). Seems they fixed it with the latest Hotfix (my pets got their buff now as well)

This makes me think.
Egg and IotDS are both supposed to proc from heals. They fixed the fel armor proc for IotDS, but they haven't done so for Egg. Could it be that blizzard is purposely leaving Egg like it is in future too?

oresteez · 01/22/09, 9:33 PM

Has anyone done any DPS calcuations for the egg? If it were to continue to work with Fel Armor, then how does it compare against Sundial and Embrace?

failinator · 01/23/09, 12:23 PM

assuming that egg of mortal essence isnt changed , between it and sundial of the exiled wich is better for a 2/13/56 or 0/31/40 build ?..

Xera81 · 01/26/09, 8:23 AM

I run with the sundial and Dying Curse.
This provides me with near constant trinket procs and enormous amounts of spellpower.
Although the hit and Crit of these trinkets is very nice and helps bulk out the stats, the real value of them to me is the procs.
I cant vouch for the proc rate on the egg as I have not myself tested it. If it procs as much from the fel armour ticks as the sundial does from spell casts then it might be an option, but i think this unlikeley.
However, I prefer the Spell power bonus over the Haste one as I believe it provides more DPS when you work it out.
In addition to this, as deep destro, random haste boosts throughout a boss fight might mess with your rotations pretty bad and you will probably find yourself missing conflags and CB's all over the place.
Wont make much of a difference to an Imp/FG Demo hybrid build though.
Top this off with the fact that the egg is likeley to be in line for the nerfbat in regards to Fel armour procs... Me? I'd stick with the Sundial.

TiaMaster · 01/26/09, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Faldrath

Ghostcrawler says here that it's a bug, though, so don't count on it for long.

He was responding to a previous post:

- if equiped and you are below full health, it causes you to stand up every fel armor tick as it is adding a "charge", i.e interpretting fel armor ticks as a casted spell. You cannot eat or drink with this trinket equipped below maximum hp.

So we still don't really know.

Shabaz · 01/29/09, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Xera81

I run with the sundial and Dying Curse.
This provides me with near constant trinket procs and enormous amounts of spellpower.
Although the hit and Crit of these trinkets is very nice and helps bulk out the stats, the real value of them to me is the procs.
I cant vouch for the proc rate on the egg as I have not myself tested it. If it procs as much from the fel armour ticks as the sundial does from spell casts then it might be an option, but i think this unlikeley.
However, I prefer the Spell power bonus over the Haste one as I believe it provides more DPS when you work it out.
In addition to this, as deep destro, random haste boosts throughout a boss fight might mess with your rotations pretty bad and you will probably find yourself missing conflags and CB's all over the place.
Wont make much of a difference to an Imp/FG Demo hybrid build though.
Top this off with the fact that the egg is likeley to be in line for the nerfbat in regards to Fel armour procs... Me? I'd stick with the Sundial.

I also run with DC and the Sundial. I have the Egg, but it procs much less oftern off Fel Armor ticks then DC and the Sundial do so I'm sticking with DC and the Sundial. I even did DPS tests on same level mobs and DC proc's enough to reguarly out DPS the Egg just due to the procs. In fact, it procs so much I'm starting to wonder if I really need IOTDS. (thoughts on this? )

Xera81 · 01/29/09, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shabaz

In fact, it procs so much I'm starting to wonder if I really need IOTDS. (thoughts on this? )

I have been wondering the very same thing about my Sundial/DC combo. It seems like this pair of trinkets proc almost constantly and keep me with some kind of spelldamage buff for the vast majority of the fight. Would replacing the Sundial with IotDS (And spending an insane amount of DKP in the process) actually provide me with an upgrade?

turturin · 01/29/09, 4:08 PM

Originally Posted by Xera81

I have been wondering the very same thing about my Sundial/DC combo. It seems like this pair of trinkets proc almost constantly and keep me with some kind of spelldamage buff for the vast majority of the fight. Would replacing the Sundial with IotDS (And spending an insane amount of DKP in the process) actually provide me with an upgrade?

You need to read the math on Sundial vs IotDS earlier in the thread. Yes, its a big upgrade. No, Sundial doesn't provide you with a buff for the "majority" of the fight. Internal cooldowns prevent this. Your wws (had you bothered to look) would have told you the same thing.

Dramah · 01/29/09, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by oresteez

Has anyone done any DPS calcuations for the egg? If it were to continue to work with Fel Armor, then how does it compare against Sundial and Embrace?

While [The Egg of Mortal Essence] does indeed continue to proc from Fel Armor, it cannot be depended on if you are looking for the haste proc as a dps increase. In my WoW Meter Online report, you can see that the proc just isn't there enough to be worth while. Now, my healers could have possibly topped me off too many times for Fel Armor to tick anything other than overheals (look at effective healing of Fel Armor), but how can you tell your healers to stop? I could possibly try to time my lifetaps for when I am at max health, but overall I think that would be a dps decrease (maybe more viable with T7 4 set bonus). For now, I think I'm sticking with [Sundial of the Exiled] and [Mark of the War Prisoner] until I can get a better drop to replace the Mark. Assuming you're at less than max hp in a given fight, it should proc as often as it does for a healer...this means it may be more valuable on fights such as Sapphiron.

Xera81 · 01/30/09, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by turturin

You need to read the math on Sundial vs IotDS earlier in the thread. Yes, its a big upgrade. No, Sundial doesn't provide you with a buff for the "majority" of the fight. Internal cooldowns prevent this. Your wws (had you bothered to look) would have told you the same thing.

I have to say that I'm slightly dissapointed at your negative attitude here. Its not what I have grown acustomed to from these threads. If you had "bothered to look" you might have seen that I was talking about the combination of Sundial and DC providing me with the buff, and although perhaps I didn't voice it properly, I had in mind MC and the 4 T7 bonus aswel, which all combined provide me with some kind of damage buff for a good proportion of the fight.
I have read the thread thouroughly and there has been no direct post patch comparison between the two trinkets. Your rather arbitrary estimation of "a big upgrade" doesnt really provide me with much useful data. Especially considering IotDS requires "Upkeep" to gain its full potential.
Now if you could kindly take your wholy unhelpful superiority complex and cram it your ass, it would be much appreciated. Although I somehow doubt it would fit.

Faldrath · 01/30/09, 9:12 AM

The math on Dragon Soul is easy: if you can keep the stack up, it's the best trinket unless you really really need the hit from Dying Curse. And, given current content, you should be able to keep the stack up in pretty much all fights (only exceptions I can think of now are Gothik when he ports away and Kel'thuzad if you get MC'd). Trinket procs are obviously awesome, but since you can't really control when they will happen and/or how much you can profit from them (lag being the usual culprit here), a static spellpower increase will be better.

hbalsack · 01/30/09, 9:19 AM

Have they "fixed" the Egg, I tried several times last night to get a proc off of Fel Armor, having just aquired it. I did not see a single proc. Lifetap to empty and wait to full health, not a single proc.

The Egg is still an upgrade for me, but a minor one without the proc.

Dagaves · 01/30/09, 9:28 AM

I got the egg just to try it out and I haven't gotten a proc in my testing this week. I run with Spider and Sundial, but would prefer either of the DS trinkets.

Xera81 · 01/30/09, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Faldrath

The math on Dragon Soul is easy: if you can keep the stack up, it's the best trinket unless you really really need the hit from Dying Curse. And, given current content, you should be able to keep the stack up in pretty much all fights (only exceptions I can think of now are Gothik when he ports away and Kel'thuzad if you get MC'd). Trinket procs are obviously awesome, but since you can't really control when they will happen and/or how much you can profit from them (lag being the usual culprit here), a static spellpower increase will be better.

Aye, thanks for a more helpful answer Faldrath. I would be swapping out the Sundial if anything. I guess I'm just going to have to get hold of the bugger and see. Mostly I am trying to figure out the size of the DPS increase, as it's just one of those items everyone is itching to get hold of. Currently my guild is gearing up fast in 25 mans. I want to avoid blowing a giant wedge of DKP on it in a bidding war if I dont know the potential DPS increase :P