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12/06/08, 10:42 AM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by kaib
Illustration seems very, very good. It stacks up on anything. You can stack up with detect invis pre fight. I have the heal over time that herbalism gives you macroed up with lifetap as it does not use up a GCD. Even that counts, using a lifetap with that gives you two stacks. I can hardly see a fight ever where you wouldn't start with 10 stacks and with detect invis or lifetap you can easily make sure that when you cannot cast dps spells it won't fall off ever.
This might be subject to change though as in this form the trinket seems overpowered to me. It's the same for healers really, they will always enter the fight with 10 stacks and they won't drop off ever.
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I don't think it'll change, the Crusade card never was, but that was 80 damage when 44 damage was solid off a trinket (i.e. Icon of the Silver Crescent), I suppose that's a little different than 98 damage being pretty standard for epic trinkets and 260 damage.
I'm just upset I went to a party when our guild was doing Sarth and it dropped. But you know what, I had a hell of a time.
Also, I'm starting a collection for the Darkmoon Card: Death, buying cheaper cards (so far 3 cards under 300 each) and am farming mats for the create-a-card thing inscribers have, made one, but it was from Chaos deck.
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12/06/08, 5:22 PM
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#27
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Skullcrusher
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question
I've heard rumors that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc off of HoTs from other people. I haven't heard it from any kind of reliable source yet but if that is the case then im sold.
Could someone that has the trinket do a test?
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12/06/08, 5:30 PM
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#28
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warlock
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by Zxero
I've heard rumors that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc off of HoTs from other people. I haven't heard it from any kind of reliable source yet but if that is the case then im sold.
Could someone that has the trinket do a test?
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It does proc from Fel Armor, so maybe it procs from the bloom in Lifebloom?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc from normal things like Rejuvenation and Renew though.
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12/06/08, 8:38 PM
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#29
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Don Flamenco
Blood Elf Warlock
Turalyon
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Illustration is clearly best in slot. Dying Curse is usable, but it really depends on what you took in other slots.
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12/07/08, 3:38 AM
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#30
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Silvermoon (EU)
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Originally Posted by Lothiron
Hey everyone.
...I'll start by listing some of the more notable epic trinkets from Wowhead...
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There is a useful list of lock trinks at Warlock - WotLK Loot which shows ilvl and source (towards the bottom of the page). I'm aiming for IoDS (260 spell power fully stacked!) and EoNP at the mo.
Last edited by Buffalo : 12/09/08 at 11:25 AM.
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12/07/08, 3:43 AM
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#31
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Lothiron
[Darkmoon Card: Death]
Notes: Potentially a new Timbal's Focusing Crystal; I'm particularly interested in this trinket. Does anyone have it, or have any information to report on it?
[Item not found!]
Notes: New Timbal's Focusing Crystal.
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One other thing to consider, is will these two trinkets proc Molten Core? Since they both have the same Shadow Bolt animation as Timbal's (right?) and Timbal's counts as Shadow Bolt damage even in WWS parses, my guess is yes.
Since the procs both have high frequencies, this could significantly increase the value of these two trinkets for Destruction Locks especially.
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12/07/08, 4:55 AM
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#32
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Von Kaiser
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Lothiron, I picked up all the cards for the Undeath Deck, so I'll let you know how it is as an Aff lock when the faire comes on Monday.
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12/08/08, 12:26 AM
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#33
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warlock
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by Fulgurite
One other thing to consider, is will these two trinkets proc Molten Core? Since they both have the same Shadow Bolt animation as Timbal's (right?) and Timbal's counts as Shadow Bolt damage even in WWS parses, my guess is yes.
Since the procs both have high frequencies, this could significantly increase the value of these two trinkets for Destruction Locks especially.
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Good way to test is to cast Immolate on a bunch of target dummies with the trinket equipped and see if Molten Core ever procs. I might test this with Timbal's and if I get the new trinket I'll definitely test it.
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12/08/08, 6:25 AM
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#34
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Turbo Moses
Lothiron, I picked up all the cards for the Undeath Deck, so I'll let you know how it is as an Aff lock when the faire comes on Monday.
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Someone on Wowhead posted this comment:
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Confirmed, the Internal Cooldown of this trinket is 45 sec. The damage can be crit and works with dots too, I made 1 normal hit of 1044 and another crit of 1514.
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45 second ICD makes it pretty bad, especially when [Pendulum of Telluric Currents] has the same ICD and the proc damage is significantly higher.
Reluctant to turn in my deck until we can get more information on it.
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12/08/08, 7:38 AM
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#35
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Glass Joe
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Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.
Time between Procs:
46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds
Much better trinkets out there than this.
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12/08/08, 2:20 PM
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#36
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Boop
Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.
Time between Procs:
46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds
Much better trinkets out there than this.
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Yes, thank you for that.
Looks like I'll be going for the Illustration of the Dragon Soul instead of the Death deck.
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12/08/08, 8:30 PM
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#37
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Bergtau
It does proc from Fel Armor, so maybe it procs from the bloom in Lifebloom?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc from normal things like Rejuvenation and Renew though.
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The bloom is no longer a heal done by those healed, it now counts towards the druid's healing. Same goes for Prayer of Mending, and most likely Earth Shield, although I don't know for sure about the last.
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12/09/08, 12:49 AM
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#38
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Argent Dawn
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Purchased and tested [The Egg of Mortal Essence] tonight.
It does proc off of Fel Armor as we knew.
It does proc off of Health Funnel.
It does not proc off of Fel Synergy.
It does not proc off of 2pT5.
It does not proc off of Drain Life.
Did not test with other specs. Since the proc rate is 10%, and Fel Armor only tics every 5 seconds, it would often go over two minutes between procs, making it a very poor trinket.
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Empathy does not imply approval.
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12/09/08, 2:47 AM
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#39
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Von Kaiser
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Yes, the trinket's proc is bad, well that sucks, dunno how that's balanced when Currents is probably at LEAST equal with Darkmoon Card, 11 haste for a proc that is much more damage. How lame I learned the hard way.
And on Mortal Egg, if you just make sure you're not topped off at all times, I'm sure you'll see it proc much more often. 2 minutes without a proc means it ticked 24 times without proccing it, given, it's hard to ensure that every tick is not an overheal, but I think going 2 minutes wihtout it means you might not be paying much attention to it at all. That said, I think it's more solid for soloing when you're constantly taking damage. I find it how often it procs on run backs from things.
EDIT: durr durr internal CDs make you a lot more right, I realize.
Last edited by Turbo Moses : 12/09/08 at 7:01 AM.
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12/09/08, 4:42 AM
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#41
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Glass Joe
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So for aff locks? What trinkets should I aim? I think Ilustration of the Dragon Soul is one, but i really dont know if i get Dying Curse, Extract of Necromatic Power or Embrace of the Spider
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12/09/08, 5:29 AM
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#42
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Don Flamenco
Orc Warlock
Laughing Skull (EU)
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As mentioned by people, IoDS is probably the best in-game at the moment. As a second choice I would probably go for Dying Curse since that lets you loosen a lot of hit on the rest of your gear (not to mention the giant leap it has in spell power as a "use:"-function)
EDIT: I'm a dumbass, DC doesn't have a use-function.
Last edited by krilz : 12/09/08 at 5:59 AM.
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12/09/08, 7:02 AM
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#43
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Krazen
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The thing is, is Sundial Worth it as an Aff lock? Crit doesn't feel like a powerful stat for aff and that's it's main feature.
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12/09/08, 7:32 AM
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#44
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Von Kaiser
Orc Warlock
Trollbane (EU)
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Crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks. With a high enough crit rate, Pandemic becomes your second/third highest damaging spell.
I'm using the [Dying Curse] and the [Embrace of the Spider] . Both are way better than the skull by any means. They practically both proc every cooldown. So yea, it procs when moving out of a fire and you can't use it, big deal, you'll have the proc again 45 second later. The leap in spell power is immense and the large quantity of hit rating can be converted in spell power and even crit (crit rate over all spells = crit * hit/100)
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12/09/08, 8:07 AM
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#45
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Don Flamenco
Orc Warlock
Laughing Skull (EU)
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Originally Posted by marano
Crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks. With a high enough crit rate, Pandemic becomes your second/third highest damaging spell.
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Just to point out for you doubters out there: If you don't believe this, run a WWS parse on Loatheb and you'll see.
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12/09/08, 8:51 AM
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#46
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Deeper Shade of Blue
Rouncer
Orc Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Boop
Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.
Time between Procs:
46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds
Much better trinkets out there than this.
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Would you mind testing something out for me?
During the beta that trinket had a different effect, it caused the shadow damage only when targets had below 35% life. What I am wondering is if the trinket's cooldown doesn't scale inversely with the target's lifebar.
Just really can't see Blizzard making a purple ilevel 200 item with such a poor proc, considering there are blues with the exact same effects that do more damage.
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12/09/08, 9:17 AM
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#47
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Likes gnomes
Greenilocks
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by marano
Crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks. With a high enough crit rate, Pandemic becomes your second/third highest damaging spell.
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Originally Posted by krilz
Just to point out for you doubters out there: If you don't believe this, run a WWS parse on Loatheb and you'll see.
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Both of these quotes are horrible misinformation. So on a fight where get a +50% crit buff for free your damage contribution from things that depend on crit goes up? That's not a surprise. You say Pandemic becomes your 2nd/3rd highest damaging spell, which is true but misleading; it may be 2nd or 3rd but even with Loatheb-inflated crit rates which brought me to something like ~65% crit rate raid-buffed it is still only 12% of my overall damage, up from 4% on Patchwerk.
And, in the end, pointing at Pandemic's damage and touting that as a reason that "crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks" is pointless and meaningless. The fact remains that for Affliction crit is still the worst stat compared to haste, hit, and damage and just barely beats out spirit point-for-point.
That's not to say that the trinket is bad - it's easily available and better than most stuff around.
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12/09/08, 9:51 AM
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#48
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Don Flamenco
Orc Warlock
Laughing Skull (EU)
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I strongly disagree. Though I agree that haste is more worth to an Affliction lock than for example crit, it's still not something that you should totally neglect.
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12/09/08, 9:55 AM
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#49
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Likes gnomes
Greenilocks
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by krilz
I strongly disagree. Though I agree that haste is more worth to an Affliction lock than for example crit, it's still not something that you should totally neglect.
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If haste (and spelldamage, and hit) are better than crit, why would you not neglect it? Sure, if pieces come along that are good and also have crit on them you're hardly going to refuse them, but you still have to accept that crit is worth roughly 1/3rd of spelldamage for affliction and no more. There are no magic numbers of crit (or haste) to aim for.
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12/09/08, 11:51 AM
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Von Kaiser
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From what I've noticed on Loatheb is that yeah, of course my DPS increases on Loatheb over usual fights, but I tend to drop further down on the charts in comparison to others.
But keeping this in mind, I think this is what make Egg of Mortal Essence worth it for Aff locks, even if the procs from the trinket can come few and far between (~2m at the upper end, maybe higher, maybe lower), the straight 98 damage on a trinket is TOUGH to beat, pre-25 man trinkets. That's a solid DPS gain that trinkets that focus on haste and crit have a tough time comparing too, at least, I'd think so. But some of those trinkets do have very good procs/uses (sundial comes to mind, 590 is a LOT of damage, but the thing with it being a proc, is it might come at a poor time in the aff rotation where you're spamming a few SBs and not reapplying most your dots, but at the same time, if it comes on at a good point in the rotation it could be a huge boost to DPS), also, does anyone know the internal CD of Sundial? I'm gonna guess 45, seems to be pretty standard.
I'd love to do some testing, but I need to get a hold of a few of these things first, I'm just not convinced of the value of crit for aff just yet. Which makes me a little uneasy about something like Talisman of Necromatic Power, the proc seems solid, especially with the short internal CD, but the 95 crit doesn't seem too appealing to me.
Last edited by Turbo Moses : 12/09/08 at 12:22 PM.
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