I don't think it'll change, the Crusade card never was, but that was 80 damage when 44 damage was solid off a trinket (i.e. Icon of the Silver Crescent), I suppose that's a little different than 98 damage being pretty standard for epic trinkets and 260 damage.

I'm just upset I went to a party when our guild was doing Sarth and it dropped. But you know what, I had a hell of a time.


Also, I'm starting a collection for the Darkmoon Card: Death, buying cheaper cards (so far 3 cards under 300 each) and am farming mats for the create-a-card thing inscribers have, made one, but it was from Chaos deck.

I've heard rumors that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc off of HoTs from other people. I haven't heard it from any kind of reliable source yet but if that is the case then im sold.

Could someone that has the trinket do a test?

It does proc from Fel Armor, so maybe it procs from the bloom in Lifebloom?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc from normal things like Rejuvenation and Renew though.

Illustration is clearly best in slot. Dying Curse is usable, but it really depends on what you took in other slots.

There is a useful list of lock trinks at Warlock - WotLK Loot which shows ilvl and source (towards the bottom of the page). I'm aiming for IoDS (260 spell power fully stacked!) and EoNP at the mo.

One other thing to consider, is will these two trinkets proc Molten Core? Since they both have the same Shadow Bolt animation as Timbal's (right?) and Timbal's counts as Shadow Bolt damage even in WWS parses, my guess is yes.

Since the procs both have high frequencies, this could significantly increase the value of these two trinkets for Destruction Locks especially.

Good way to test is to cast Immolate on a bunch of target dummies with the trinket equipped and see if Molten Core ever procs. I might test this with Timbal's and if I get the new trinket I'll definitely test it.

Someone on Wowhead posted this comment:

45 second ICD makes it pretty bad, especially when [Pendulum of Telluric Currents] has the same ICD and the proc damage is significantly higher.

Reluctant to turn in my deck until we can get more information on it.

Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.

Time between Procs:

46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds

Much better trinkets out there than this.

Yes, thank you for that.

Looks like I'll be going for the Illustration of the Dragon Soul instead of the Death deck.

The bloom is no longer a heal done by those healed, it now counts towards the druid's healing. Same goes for Prayer of Mending, and most likely Earth Shield, although I don't know for sure about the last.

Yes, the trinket's proc is bad, well that sucks, dunno how that's balanced when Currents is probably at LEAST equal with Darkmoon Card, 11 haste for a proc that is much more damage. How lame I learned the hard way.


And on Mortal Egg, if you just make sure you're not topped off at all times, I'm sure you'll see it proc much more often. 2 minutes without a proc means it ticked 24 times without proccing it, given, it's hard to ensure that every tick is not an overheal, but I think going 2 minutes wihtout it means you might not be paying much attention to it at all. That said, I think it's more solid for soloing when you're constantly taking damage. I find it how often it procs on run backs from things.

EDIT: durr durr internal CDs make you a lot more right, I realize.

Some test data from last week's naxx:

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I looked at individual boss fights, and the general trend is that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc about half as much as [Sundial of the Exiled].

So for aff locks? What trinkets should I aim? I think Ilustration of the Dragon Soul is one, but i really dont know if i get Dying Curse, Extract of Necromatic Power or Embrace of the Spider

As mentioned by people, IoDS is probably the best in-game at the moment. As a second choice I would probably go for Dying Curse since that lets you loosen a lot of hit on the rest of your gear (not to mention the giant leap it has in spell power as a "use:"-function)

EDIT: I'm a dumbass, DC doesn't have a use-function.

The thing is, is Sundial Worth it as an Aff lock? Crit doesn't feel like a powerful stat for aff and that's it's main feature.

Just to point out for you doubters out there: If you don't believe this, run a WWS parse on Loatheb and you'll see.

Would you mind testing something out for me?

During the beta that trinket had a different effect, it caused the shadow damage only when targets had below 35% life. What I am wondering is if the trinket's cooldown doesn't scale inversely with the target's lifebar.

Just really can't see Blizzard making a purple ilevel 200 item with such a poor proc, considering there are blues with the exact same effects that do more damage.

Both of these quotes are horrible misinformation. So on a fight where get a +50% crit buff for free your damage contribution from things that depend on crit goes up? That's not a surprise. You say Pandemic becomes your 2nd/3rd highest damaging spell, which is true but misleading; it may be 2nd or 3rd but even with Loatheb-inflated crit rates which brought me to something like ~65% crit rate raid-buffed it is still only 12% of my overall damage, up from 4% on Patchwerk.

And, in the end, pointing at Pandemic's damage and touting that as a reason that "crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks" is pointless and meaningless. The fact remains that for Affliction crit is still the worst stat compared to haste, hit, and damage and just barely beats out spirit point-for-point.

That's not to say that the trinket is bad - it's easily available and better than most stuff around.

I strongly disagree. Though I agree that haste is more worth to an Affliction lock than for example crit, it's still not something that you should totally neglect.

If haste (and spelldamage, and hit) are better than crit, why would you not neglect it? Sure, if pieces come along that are good and also have crit on them you're hardly going to refuse them, but you still have to accept that crit is worth roughly 1/3rd of spelldamage for affliction and no more. There are no magic numbers of crit (or haste) to aim for.

From what I've noticed on Loatheb is that yeah, of course my DPS increases on Loatheb over usual fights, but I tend to drop further down on the charts in comparison to others.


But keeping this in mind, I think this is what make Egg of Mortal Essence worth it for Aff locks, even if the procs from the trinket can come few and far between (~2m at the upper end, maybe higher, maybe lower), the straight 98 damage on a trinket is TOUGH to beat, pre-25 man trinkets. That's a solid DPS gain that trinkets that focus on haste and crit have a tough time comparing too, at least, I'd think so. But some of those trinkets do have very good procs/uses (sundial comes to mind, 590 is a LOT of damage, but the thing with it being a proc, is it might come at a poor time in the aff rotation where you're spamming a few SBs and not reapplying most your dots, but at the same time, if it comes on at a good point in the rotation it could be a huge boost to DPS), also, does anyone know the internal CD of Sundial? I'm gonna guess 45, seems to be pretty standard.


I'd love to do some testing, but I need to get a hold of a few of these things first, I'm just not convinced of the value of crit for aff just yet. Which makes me a little uneasy about something like Talisman of Necromatic Power, the proc seems solid, especially with the short internal CD, but the 95 crit doesn't seem too appealing to me.