At the moment I'm a bit unsatisfied about my trinkets and I dont really know what to do; the main problem is that I'm over hit capped. (0/41/30)

My choices are:

[Illustration of the Dragon Soul]
[Dying Curse]
[Living Flame]
[Embrace of the Spider]
[Sundial of the Exiled]

Looking at the math, I should use Illustration and Dying / Living flame (situational), but that will give me really a hell of hit that I dont need.

What do you think?

Thanks in advance for the answers
Inch

I agree, but I am looking for some help to devise proper formulas for trinket dps. I have been using the formula found in the raiding compendium for proc trinkets only adding a multiplier for spec specific dps modifiers and thats all well and fine.

(stat_gained*specdpsmodifier)*duration/(internal_cooldown+frequency/proc_chance)

My question relates to on use trinkets, what I have come up with is:

(stat_gained*specdpsmodifier)*duration/(internal_cool down)

Which for pretty much all on use trinkets turns into: (Stat_gained*specdpsmodifier)*20/120.

Example: Using the spec dps modifier numbers found for post 3.1.2 0/13/58 from the http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...ost_3_1_specs/ I have used this formula for Living Flame to come up with:

(505*1.55)*20/120 for the proc of 505 sp for 20 seconds 2 minute cd. This tells me that the proc from living flame yields 84 dps. Not very impressive, but when you consider the trinket gives a massive 4.07 to hit, its not so bad.

Am I calculating the dps for on use correctly here?

Yes you are, however while this is the correct method of calculating this- a note should always be added to on use trinkets. That is if you- for example, synchronise a 2 minute trinket with meta morphosis, and use meta on cooldown-- you'll probably see a DPS increase. /use trinkets give you control, and while you can't put a good number on that level of control, it's a definite benefit that should be noted.

My Choise;

if need hit

[Dying Curse]
[Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

if have cap hit

[Flare of the Heavens]
[Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

Rather than asking in the other thread, I cut and pasted some info you posted regarding DPS values for trinkets for deep destro.

http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...3_1_specs/p68/

Item SP Haste Hit Crit DPS
Flare of the Heavens 142 0 0 120 338.9
Illustration of the Dragon Soul 200 0 0 0 310.0
Scale of Fates 125 72 0 0 288.8
Eye of the Broodmother 125 0 0 87 279.9
Dying Curse 128 0 71 0 269,4
Embrace of the Spider 98 84 0 0 262.8
Elemental Focus Stone 87 0 108 0 242.9
Living Flame 84 0 107 0 237.2

Where does the Sundial fit into this hierarchy? I was told it is close to Eye of the Broodmother and Embrace of the Spider (somewhere in between them supposedly.)

Item	SP	Haste	Hit	Crit	DPS
Flare of the Heavens	142	0	0	120	338.9
Illustration of the Dragon Soul	200	0	0	0	310.0
Scale of Fates	125	72	0	0	288.8
Eye of the Broodmother	125	0	0	87	279.9
Dying Curse	128	0	71	0	269,4
Embrace of the Spider	98	84	0	0	262.8
Elemental Focus Stone	87	0	108	0	242.9
Living Flame	84	0	107	0	237.2
Sundial the Exiled	98	0	0	84	235.6

This is assuming:
* Scale factors SP=1.55, Haste=1.23, Hit=1, Crit=0.99
* Trinkets with a 45s internal cooldown and 10% proc chance proc once per minute.
* Trinkets with a use effect are used on cooldown

The reason hit is valued at "1" dps, is because if you value hit too high, you'll get way too much of it and it loses it's value. If you don't value hit you'll get too little hit rating and hurt your DPS aswell. I did some gear mixing and matching and found that if you valued it at roughly 1 DPS, you'd get to roughly the amount of hit rating you need.

Note though, since I made this list the scale factors have been updated. The value of haste has increased a lot since the latest change.

Nice recap warlo. Here is my 2 cent to improve it.
afair, dying curse proc is 15% not 10% so SP should be 139 and 286 dps
Moreover Elemental Focus Stone provide 520 haste not spell power so it should be 87 haste which give 215 dps if you rate hit to 1

It seems you multiply the spell power/haste/crit columns with their proper values, but use 1.00 for the hit column? All +hit trinkets should have a much higher average DPS in your table...

Read post 368 for the reason.

That's just silly. What you do is give the correct +hit values for all items. Then you juggle your trinket with whatever other hit gear you have to find the ultimate combination, *assuming* correctly calculated gear DPS values on all items.

As this example:

Affliction with Hit: Loot Rank for WotLK

If you've got some combination, for example 4 items in trinket slot, ring slot, wand slot and Legs where you can juggle around hit gear, write down the combinations you can have with your specific set of items to find the highest DPS from that table.

Affliction without Hit: Loot Rank for WotLK

The latter is useful when you're comparing non-hit gear when you're hit capped.

I don't agree. A trinket with 71 or more +hit allows me to replace other +hit gear exactly as much as the 71 hit is worth. Take an example:

[Soot-Covered Mantle] (hit gem) + [Eye of the Broodmother]

[Conqueror's Deathbringer Shoulderpads] (sp gem) + [Dying Curse]

The hit rating of the first combination is 68, for the second combination 71. Let's call that a draw for the sake of argument.

According to the lootrank using this thread first post numbers for Destro spec warlock, the first Shoulders give more DPS than the T8 by itself (ignore set bonus for this argument). In your table, Dying Curse is worthabout the same as Eye of the Broodmother, meaning the first combination is a better combination since the shoulders are clearly better.

However, just using the first post scaling numbers on lootrank.com gives:

435 + 281 = 716
399 + 429 = 828

The T8 plus Dying Curse wins hands down, despite the combinations having very similar +hit total. The +hit rating of Dying Curse allows you to replace the same amount of +hit on other gear, thereby increasing DPS. There is no magic "it'll take you over your hit cap", cause then you're not using your items optimally. The only accurate way of calculating gear is to give +hit the correct scaling factor compared to the other stats, so you know how much its worth to replace +hit with other stats.

This is just a simple example, but it always applies the same way. If an item has a lot of +hit, you are free to use non-hit gear in other slots, often combinations of several slots due to these trinkets' high +hit rating.