Trinket Discussion - Page 3

Fulgurite · 12/07/08, 2:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lothiron

[Darkmoon Card: Death]
Notes: Potentially a new Timbal's Focusing Crystal; I'm particularly interested in this trinket. Does anyone have it, or have any information to report on it?

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Notes: New Timbal's Focusing Crystal.

One other thing to consider, is will these two trinkets proc Molten Core? Since they both have the same Shadow Bolt animation as Timbal's (right?) and Timbal's counts as Shadow Bolt damage even in WWS parses, my guess is yes.

Since the procs both have high frequencies, this could significantly increase the value of these two trinkets for Destruction Locks especially.

Turbo Moses · 12/07/08, 3:55 AM

Lothiron, I picked up all the cards for the Undeath Deck, so I'll let you know how it is as an Aff lock when the faire comes on Monday.

Bergtau · 12/07/08, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Fulgurite

One other thing to consider, is will these two trinkets proc Molten Core? Since they both have the same Shadow Bolt animation as Timbal's (right?) and Timbal's counts as Shadow Bolt damage even in WWS parses, my guess is yes.

Since the procs both have high frequencies, this could significantly increase the value of these two trinkets for Destruction Locks especially.

Good way to test is to cast Immolate on a bunch of target dummies with the trinket equipped and see if Molten Core ever procs. I might test this with Timbal's and if I get the new trinket I'll definitely test it.

Maalakai · 12/08/08, 5:25 AM

Originally Posted by Turbo Moses

Lothiron, I picked up all the cards for the Undeath Deck, so I'll let you know how it is as an Aff lock when the faire comes on Monday.

Someone on Wowhead posted this comment:

Confirmed, the Internal Cooldown of this trinket is 45 sec. The damage can be crit and works with dots too, I made 1 normal hit of 1044 and another crit of 1514.

45 second ICD makes it pretty bad, especially when [Pendulum of Telluric Currents] has the same ICD and the proc damage is significantly higher.

Reluctant to turn in my deck until we can get more information on it.

Boop · 12/08/08, 6:38 AM

Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.

Time between Procs:

46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds

Much better trinkets out there than this.

Lothiron · 12/08/08, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boop

Confirmed. Turned in my [Undeath Deck] to make [Darkmoon Card: Death]this morning.

Time between Procs:

46 seconds
49 seconds
48 seconds
48 seconds

Much better trinkets out there than this.

Yes, thank you for that.

Looks like I'll be going for the Illustration of the Dragon Soul instead of the Death deck.

Byram · 12/08/08, 7:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bergtau

It does proc from Fel Armor, so maybe it procs from the bloom in Lifebloom?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc from normal things like Rejuvenation and Renew though.

The bloom is no longer a heal done by those healed, it now counts towards the druid's healing. Same goes for Prayer of Mending, and most likely Earth Shield, although I don't know for sure about the last.

Sydane · 12/08/08, 11:49 PM

Purchased and tested [The Egg of Mortal Essence] tonight.

It does proc off of Fel Armor as we knew.
It does proc off of Health Funnel.

It does not proc off of Fel Synergy.
It does not proc off of 2pT5.
It does not proc off of Drain Life.

Did not test with other specs. Since the proc rate is 10%, and Fel Armor only tics every 5 seconds, it would often go over two minutes between procs, making it a very poor trinket.

Turbo Moses · 12/09/08, 1:47 AM

Yes, the trinket's proc is bad, well that sucks, dunno how that's balanced when Currents is probably at LEAST equal with Darkmoon Card, 11 haste for a proc that is much more damage. How lame I learned the hard way.

And on Mortal Egg, if you just make sure you're not topped off at all times, I'm sure you'll see it proc much more often. 2 minutes without a proc means it ticked 24 times without proccing it, given, it's hard to ensure that every tick is not an overheal, but I think going 2 minutes wihtout it means you might not be paying much attention to it at all. That said, I think it's more solid for soloing when you're constantly taking damage. I find it how often it procs on run backs from things.

EDIT: durr durr internal CDs make you a lot more right, I realize.

Krazen · 12/09/08, 2:08 AM

Some test data from last week's naxx:

Wow Web Stats
Wow Web Stats

I looked at individual boss fights, and the general trend is that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc about half as much as [Sundial of the Exiled].

Nailo · 12/09/08, 3:42 AM

So for aff locks? What trinkets should I aim? I think Ilustration of the Dragon Soul is one, but i really dont know if i get Dying Curse, Extract of Necromatic Power or Embrace of the Spider

krilz · 12/09/08, 4:29 AM

As mentioned by people, IoDS is probably the best in-game at the moment. As a second choice I would probably go for Dying Curse since that lets you loosen a lot of hit on the rest of your gear (not to mention the giant leap it has in spell power as a "use:"-function)

EDIT: I'm a dumbass, DC doesn't have a use-function.

Turbo Moses · 12/09/08, 6:02 AM

Originally Posted by Krazen

Some test data from last week's naxx:

Wow Web Stats
Wow Web Stats

I looked at individual boss fights, and the general trend is that the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] will proc about half as much as [Sundial of the Exiled].

The thing is, is Sundial Worth it as an Aff lock? Crit doesn't feel like a powerful stat for aff and that's it's main feature.

marano · 12/09/08, 6:32 AM

Crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks. With a high enough crit rate, Pandemic becomes your second/third highest damaging spell.

I'm using the [Dying Curse] and the [Embrace of the Spider] . Both are way better than the skull by any means. They practically both proc every cooldown. So yea, it procs when moving out of a fire and you can't use it, big deal, you'll have the proc again 45 second later. The leap in spell power is immense and the large quantity of hit rating can be converted in spell power and even crit (crit rate over all spells = crit * hit/100)

krilz · 12/09/08, 7:07 AM

Originally Posted by marano

Crit is actually a pretty important stat for aff locks. With a high enough crit rate, Pandemic becomes your second/third highest damaging spell.

Just to point out for you doubters out there: If you don't believe this, run a WWS parse on Loatheb and you'll see.