Yes, only damage and healing effects proc Illustration of the Dragon Soul now, so that includes Health Funnel and Fel Armor.

See this post for calculations: http://elitistjerks.com/1047944-post60.html

How does the JWC Trinket stack up against the other trinkets, [Figurine - Twilight Serpent] granted its not going to get any better as more and more raid locations come, but for a starter trinket how does it compare to the rest? Taking into account you can get it with 2 epic gems.

That trinket is being changed in the next patch. I thought about using it instead of Mark of The War Prisoner but decided not to because of the 5 min. CD.

From patch notes:
"Reduced the spell power granted by the use effect of "Figurine - Twilight Serpent", but reduced the cooldown significantly."

I recall it to be 292/2 minutes now - gotta check my screenshot list later today.

Noone has mentioned Jet'ze's Bell yet as a replacement for egg of mortal essence once it no longer procs......I believe as affliction the 106 spell damage is over the top for myself in comparison to sundial...I am running 716 haste as it is...anyone else disagree in my situation?

I am using Dying curse at the moment and Sundial of the Exiled.

Now I am thinking about either going for the Illustration or Embrace of the Spider.

Illustration gives (after patch) a 200 Spellpower increase over the course of a fight.
Instead, Embrace gives ~100 Spellpower flat and 505*10/45 haste = 112.

Since I've seen many calculations indicating that 1 spellpower is approx. 1 hasterating, shouldn't I assume that embrace of the spider is, at least post patch slightly better than illustration?

On a side note, how come that Extract of necro power is, even though ilvl 213 so bad compared to nearly any other trinket currently ingame? I really don't get it. After doing several tests on target dummies I came up with the proc resulting in 50 dps, I mean what the heck? Add in the 95 crit rating this will lead me to about 80 dps or something.

This trinket should really be changed to give 100 spelldmg and its current proc, which could be increased a little.
Since I can't post on the US forums and the EU forums aren't read anyways by any developer, maybe someone can make a post about this trinket if you share my opinion.

Greetings

1 spell power is quite a bit bigger than 1 haste in all specs, and it absolutely blows it out of the water as affliction.

Of course it depends on gearing, but in a solidly naxx-25 set the values look closer to
4 spell power ~ 5 haste rating - destruction or demon
1 spell power ~ 2 haste rating - affliction

Anyone tried this on the latest PTR build? I'm assuming Blizzard doesn't want the trinket to work with HF.

Hello there

i m raiding as 0-41-30 lock (felguard) and i m using Extract of Necromatic Power
Since no1 posted anything like that,i d like to inform you,that the dmg of the proc of the trinket,is the 1,9% of my total dmg output in a fight with constant pew pew,suck as PW..Unfortunately,WWS use downranking on degrees,so it appears as 1% on any WWS, but the recount shows it more clearly.Ofc,this can scale from boss to boss

For example,on last PW,extract did 9062 dmg (shadow) on an overall total of 700,846 (thats a total of 1.29% of my dmg..Keeping in mind that my overall dps was @ 4745,this makes the proc of a trinket equal to (4745/0.0129)= 61.2 dps


(i dont like the idea of posting WWS,but if someone needs them,feel free to PM me,and i ll gladly send him the wws)

Thanks, Nienorz. Your result is in line with the most recent theorycrafted results and the other parses that have been posted. 55-60dps for the proc has been a fairly consistent finding (through all methods) recently.

I think the consensus would be illustration and sundial. However, if you have acess to it, I'd really recommend getting dying curse and swapping out hit on other pieces. Dying curse is probably the best overall trinket after the patch hits if you can make use of all of its item budget.

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Has anyone done any testing with the Darkmoon Card: Death on the PTR at all? Has there been a buff to the ICD whilst they've changed the haste to crit. I know it is unlikely but perhaps worth looking at as a change to the ICD would significantly increase the value of the trinket.

I ask mainly due to having spare cards whilst inscribing for Nobles decks and the lack of any illustration and necromantic drops recently.

So right now im using Dying Curse, and Sundail (also have EoNP). DC & SotE both proc faily often and push my SP well over 3200+ which is great but would using the Extract of Necromatic Power + Dying Curse be better for Haunt/Ruin lock?

Now my question is: Has anyone done the math for Extract of Necromatic Power vs Sundail vs Dying Curse?

The general consensus around here and the spreadsheet confirms that it would be Dying Curse, then Sundial, then Extract of Necromatic Power.

Not to mention the fact that a proc based boost of spell haste may be worth more on paper than in actual raiding, as it has the very real possibility to mess up your rotation.

Haven't really kept up on this part of the forum.So been glancing over some post and its proven that the Sundial is better then Embrace of the Spider? I mean the haste proc doesn't seem so good compared to the dmg proc of Sundial but the static spell power blows the crit out of the water. I guess with both procs taken into effect the +dmg on both trinkets are around the same and its comes down to a matter of trinket proc I suppose. Is the reason people prefer the Sundial or that it is better because of the haste proc on Embrace bad for rotations?

Any buffbar should do this, no? I have my buffbar ignore every buff that isn't actionable, so I can see the ones that are worth noticing. You can also try PowerAuras to make a symbol appear on your screen when this buff is active (and a timer for when it will expire).

I think you've pretty much summed it up actually. If it helps, the embrace and sundial are very close, close enough that you could make varying situational arguments why one would be better than the other that would go beyond the math, and you wouldn't be wrong.

Perhaps, since the question seems to come up a lot, it would help to think in terms of tiers of value:

Tier 1: Illustration of the Dragon Soul and Dying Curse
Tier 2: Sundial and Embrace of the Spider
Tier 3: Extract of Necromantic Power, Mark of the War Prisoner, Etc...

Reasonable people and/or gear setups might cause you to value a given option in a tier over the other one.

Proculas does exact this and can be found at Curse. It's a bit buggy and gives error messages now and then but works without any bigger problems (I used it a month ago so those bugs might have been fixed).

I've currently got the sundial, and am next in line for dying curse. Do these stack? are they on a shared internal cooldown or are they independant of each other.

Thanks for the info

Both trinkets can proc at the same time and they do stack, yes.