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Old 12/04/08, 6:07 AM   #16
smoo86
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Gnome Warlock
 
Tichondrius (EU)
Which are the gylphs you would recommend for 0/31/40 (with improved immolate and no conflag)?

1. Improved Imp
2. CoA
3. CoR (instant sb seem to be nice)

or:

1. Improved Imp
2. CoA
3. Imolate (-10% initial damage but +30% initial from talents. Still usefull?)

And regarding the posts to keep only CoA up for Molten Core:
Why dont keep Corr and CoA up all the time? Even with CoA ticking faster/more often - its still two dots, that kan proc Molten Core?

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Old 12/04/08, 7:59 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by krilz View Post
In any case, if you're not going for the Soul Fire route you should ALWAYS apply Immolate before doing Incinerates, even during Backdraft.
Well, since you won't get a lowered Global CD during your backdraft, wouldn't it result in a dps loss?

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Old 12/04/08, 8:37 AM   #18
kaib
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If there is no other warlock keeping up immolate, you should do immol/incin/incin with your backdraft charges. If another lock has immolate running, do incin/incin/incin. If there is no other immol up, even without backdraft affecting GCD, it's still worth doing a 'shitty' immol first as it's just more damage overall.
Generally I do not think it's worth having a backdraft spec if there is no other warlock for immolate around. I'd rather go hybrid demono/destro then.

As for 30/40 +x, I'd put that one point into mana feed now. I am a huge friend of shadow fury, but imp just goes oom in some fights.

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Old 12/04/08, 8:46 AM   #19
Belific
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That's the spec I fell in love with 0/30/40 +1 That one Can be put into shadowfury (which works great in Malygos Fight vs the orbs and in other fighting situations).
Or Demonic empowerment which I have tried and it does give my imp some extra DPS in long fights but only if he is not in danger.

My dps rotation is Corr..Immo then Coa SPAM INCIN... This rotation Keeps MC up alot, the added DPS through MC and other chance on hit like t7 2pc and a Trinket (Badge or w\e) Give huge DPS spikes ie. 11k, 10k crits which are always nice.

I am however hit capped, which is the only reason I'm even fire destro-I also use Master Conjuror which is a nice dps boost-The lost talent on pyroclasm was just a fill in.

Try this spec out and let me know what you guys think--I am always top dps right under DK's and Hunters

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Old 12/04/08, 9:12 AM   #20
krilz
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Originally Posted by Nightcore View Post
Well, since you won't get a lowered Global CD during your backdraft, wouldn't it result in a dps loss?
Are you sure of this? With my current gear during Backdraft, Immolate has a cast time of 1 sec (and GCD cap is 1 sec) which I find optimal, thus no problem of casting it beforehand.

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Old 12/04/08, 9:27 AM   #21
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I definitely noticed that if I used Immolate during Backdraft I couldn't cast the following spell straight away after the cast finished. I'm pretty sure Backdraft doesn't reduce the GCD.

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Old 12/04/08, 9:32 AM   #22
Nightcore
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Originally Posted by dragon12 View Post
I definitely noticed that if I used Immolate during Backdraft I couldn't cast the following spell straight away after the cast finished. I'm pretty sure Backdraft doesn't reduce the GCD.
Same here.

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Old 12/04/08, 9:42 AM   #23
Gorthan
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0.95 immolate during backdraft. Does not reduces GCD.

Last edited by Gorthan : 12/04/08 at 9:51 AM.

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Old 12/04/08, 12:06 PM   #24
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The GCD is reduced by your haste rating, Backdraft only reduces the cast time of destruction spells.

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Old 12/04/08, 2:44 PM   #25
Shabaz
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I'd love some thoughts on this slight variant 30/40+1 build. Something about this feels right...I'd love to play with Chaos bolt but all the % increases on this one makes me feel it will scale better.

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First...the last talant point options:

A) Mana Feed - My thinking for this was 1 point in Mana feed means I can get my imp back some mana. Healers often through some hots on me when they can, and since my imp will otherwise dry up, this seemed like a way to keep trickle feeding him some power when I was tapping.

B) Improved COA - Should be part of my rotation and will be an easy 5% boost.

C) Demonic Knowledge - 1 pt should equate to around 40ish spellpower...which isn't a bad full time boost.

D) Demonic Empowerment - 1 pt = 20% imp crit bonus.

E) Shadowfury - Nice AOE...and with all the AOE tanks now this one could be nice

F) Empowered Imp - This one stumps me a little...Demonic gives a 20% crit bonus theoretically 30 seconds out of every minute. 1 pt in EI gives the imp a full time 5% crit increase, with 1 in 3 of his crits increasing personal crit by 20%

Each seem to have nice advantages. I think I'm tempted to go Shadowfury, as I know that can be helpful, but I can't help feeling EI, DEmp, or DK will yield more DPS and yet Mana Feed may provide the best balance keeping my Imp from sitting useless.

Lastly...rotation...I'm thinking it should be COA, Corrupt, Immo, Incin repeat. Fairly simple.

Thoughts? Anyone else thinking this will scale better single target then 2/13/56 or 0/20/51?

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Old 12/04/08, 3:11 PM   #26
Belific
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Originally Posted by Shabaz View Post
Lastly...rotation...I'm thinking it should be COA, Corrupt, Immo, Incin repeat. Fairly simple.

Well your spec is almost like mine except I did not put up Sac(which TBH is not really usefull) up instead of 2\2 M Summoner which is great in some fights Since it helps for a clutch resummon, and Imp sac gives 10% fire dmg while having the imp out either DPSing or not gives 5% fire damage and 5% fire crit.

I put up shadowfury because its really good, read what I posted. I think its one of the best specs yet... I've used backdraft,conflag,chaos and afflic specs but I rather stick with mine.

Corr, then Immolate then COA Then spamm Inncinerate

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Old 12/04/08, 5:12 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Belific View Post
I put up shadowfury because its really good, read what I posted. I think its one of the best specs yet... I've used backdraft,conflag,chaos and afflic specs but I rather stick with mine.

I like this spec also but I'm wondering why you put the one point there in SF instead of either mana feed or possibly (and i'm not sure about this one as much) Demonic Knowledge. It seems my imp goes oom and spends alot of time under regen. Seems that the 1 point 33% of mana return is going to yield my imp about 958 mana per LT (still trying to make sure my numbers are right on that) SF seems to be only useful on trash and some heroics. I really am curious about where the best place for that last point is, and why you chose SF over the other places.

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Old 12/04/08, 5:21 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by krilz View Post
This spec is not possible.
Yeah that should read 0/13/56 + 2.

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Old 12/04/08, 8:18 PM   #29
Shabaz
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Bloodhoof
Originally Posted by Belific View Post
Well your spec is almost like mine except I did not put up Sac(which TBH is not really usefull) up instead of 2\2 M Summoner which is great in some fights Since it helps for a clutch resummon, and Imp sac gives 10% fire dmg while having the imp out either DPSing or not gives 5% fire damage and 5% fire crit.

I put up shadowfury because its really good, read what I posted. I think its one of the best specs yet... I've used backdraft,conflag,chaos and afflic specs but I rather stick with mine.

Corr, then Immolate then COA Then spamm Inncinerate
Ill try the rotation...I did the 1 pt in sac (and 1 less in resummon) because Ive found the nearly instant resummon is fast enough and the sac option should help on particuarly pet unfriendly bosses, or if I have to enslave.

As for Shadowfury...yeah...I think I will start with that. Mana feed is tempting because I think Ill end up resummoning my imp alot rather then waiting on mana regen so mana feed would keep him going...but Shadowfury is awfully tempting.

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Old 12/04/08, 10:53 PM   #30
Belific
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Originally Posted by Jerrybear24 View Post
I like this spec also but I'm wondering why you put the one point there in SF instead of either mana feed or possibly (and i'm not sure about this one as much) Demonic Knowledge. It seems my imp goes oom and spends alot of time under regen. Seems that the 1 point 33% of mana return is going to yield my imp about 958 mana per LT (still trying to make sure my numbers are right on that) SF seems to be only useful on trash and some heroics. I really am curious about where the best place for that last point is, and why you chose SF over the other places.
The only reason I went SF spec was because of the malygos fight. It works great with Deathgrip also SF goes well in other fights.
You can go mana feed too, It all depends on what fights you do. I just like the ability to clutch interrupt, stun and deal shadow damage hoping for MC to proc in aoe. I saw all the specs in this and I really do dislike Chaos Bolt, Conflag, backdraft, afflic.

Im looking forward for some input from some Chaos bolters to see if they like this spec

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