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Old 01/20/09, 12:51 PM   #391
Debby
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Orc Death Knight
 
Sylvanas (EU)
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
I'm really getting sick of reporting you, PLEASE read back 2 pages and look at numbers that were posted for F&B vs UH, PLEASE read on the same page the look at glyphs, PLEASE read on that page the talk of rotations, and what pet to use. PLEASE sir, I ask this of you for your accounts sake let alone my sanity, It's only 2 pages back, and there are lots of pretty graphs.
First of all chill out. You are in a game forum.

I read all your posts and diagrams some pages ago. That does not mean I won't run simcrafts on my own. Most of the discussion back there was whether to use soulfire or not and why immo glyph might perform less that imp in this case. I didn't say anything about rotations nor glyphs. So half of your venting here is useless. About F&B you might be right complaining.

Once more, chill out.

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Old 01/20/09, 1:05 PM   #392
Stick
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
This is almost turning out to look like the UI-forums i have seen lately.
Lighten up people - this is only a game

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Old 01/20/09, 1:06 PM   #393
supplicium
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Debby View Post
First of all chill out. You are in a game forum.

I read all your posts and diagrams some pages ago. That does not mean I won't run simcrafts on my own. Most of the discussion back there was whether to use soulfire or not and why immo glyph might perform less that imp in this case. I didn't say anything about rotations nor glyphs. So half of your venting here is useless. About F&B you might be right complaining.

Once more, chill out.
Fine, for your sake, here's what you've missed, also I'm not mad or angry, It's just frustrating being in a loop of answers over and over again, hopefully this will be less of an issue when we get our first consolidation post updated:

1) F&B is not worse the UH, the second highest dps spec for destruction is one that drops the points in SL and ISL for UH and 4 pts in F&B running glyph of imp, CoA, and conflag. CoA scales really well and improves one of our highest DpCT spells as well as helps our rotation. It brings more DPS than Corruption does and the chance to proc instant casts shadowbolts, but the information about which glyph was better was farther back than my posts as far as CoA vs Corruption.

2) 2/1/56 Uses Immolate glyph agony and conflag, if you have issues with immolate uptime then switch to imp, but there should be no reason for that.


3)Rotation Agony, corruption imoolate conflag CB incin incin (backdraft over) incin incin incin conflag, incin incin CB (backdraft over) corruption Immolate incin (etc etc etc)

the goal of the new rotation is useing Conflag on CD and as well as CB on CD but hopefully getting it in in an backdraft. It should equate to 2 conflags per immolate Try to avoid casting immolate in a backdraft segmeant but don't be afraid to refresh CoA during backdraft, don't refresh corruption till you are out of backdraft.

Edit: Upperking I can't view MMO champs talent calc, the website is down sorry.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 01/20/09, 1:17 PM   #394
Debby
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Sylvanas (EU)
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
Fine, for your sake, here's what you've missed, also I'm not mad or angry, It's just frustrating being in a loop of answers over and over again, hopefully this will be less of an issue when we get our first consolidation post updated:

1) F&B is not worse the UH, the second highest dps spec for destruction is one that drops the points in SL and ISL for UH and 4 pts in F&B running glyph of imp, CoA, and conflag. CoA scales really well and improves one of our highest DpCT spells as well as helps our rotation. It brings more DPS than Corruption does and the chance to proc instant casts shadowbolts, but the information about which glyph was better was farther back than my posts as far as CoA vs Corruption.

2) 2/1/56 Uses Immolate glyph agony and conflag, if you have issues with immolate uptime then switch to imp, but there should be no reason for that.


3)Rotation Agony, corruption imoolate conflag CB incin incin (backdraft over) incin incin incin conflag, incin incin CB (backdraft over) corruption Immolate incin (etc etc etc)

the goal of the new rotation is useing Conflag on CD and as well as CB on CD but hopefully getting it in in an backdraft. It should equate to 2 conflags per immolate Try to avoid casting immolate in a backdraft segmeant but don't be afraid to refresh CoA during backdraft, don't refresh corruption till you are out of backdraft.

Edit: Upperking I can't view MMO champs talent calc, the website is down sorry.
Thanks for this post. I really do not read the first page only to get the info I need. I read every post. But the info is very much and things may change from one page to another.

For instance. Even at your recap, I remember other posts that say the importance of ISL, the benefit casting soulfires at backdraft etc.

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Old 01/20/09, 1:31 PM   #395
supplicium
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Debby View Post
Thanks for this post. I really do not read the first page only to get the info I need. I read every post. But the info is very much and things may change from one page to another.

For instance. Even at your recap, I remember other posts that say the importance of ISL, the benefit casting soulfires at backdraft etc.
Theoretically soulfire and chaosbolt during backdraft, is the better spells to cast every backdraft, but we don't have the luxury of carrying 50+ soulshards to each fight. Soulfire could be mixed in during heroism for optimal use of the long cast time, but thats up to you.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 01/20/09, 2:55 PM   #396
raaron1990
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Undead Warlock
 
Nathrezim
Best DPS spec

I've been reading and there are a lot of viable options to spec as a destruction Warlock. I'm still not too sure what I should spec. I have an 80 Undead Warlock. I'm not really geared yet, but I'm not horribly geared. I'm starting to do raids and what not, but I want to be at the top of the DPS chart in raids when I do go.

Here is my character's armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory

Can you guys give me feed back on what I should do to improve my DPS and gear?

I'm also wondering if I should respec. I'm this spec at the moment: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warlock -> Talent Calculator

I would really appreciate help on maximizing my DPS with my current and future gear.

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Old 01/20/09, 3:03 PM   #397
imtsensational
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Human Warlock
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by raaron1990 View Post
I've been reading and there are a lot of viable options to spec as a destruction Warlock. I'm still not too sure what I should spec. I have an 80 Undead Warlock. I'm not really geared yet, but I'm not horribly geared. I'm starting to do raids and what not, but I want to be at the top of the DPS chart in raids when I do go.

Here is my character's armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory

Can you guys give me feed back on what I should do to improve my DPS and gear?

I'm also wondering if I should respec. I'm this spec at the moment: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warlock -> Talent Calculator

I would really appreciate help on maximizing my DPS with my current and future gear.

I'll apologize beforehand if I sound like a jerk. Maybe it's just me but I don't believe this is the place for you to throw out your stats/spec and ask for simple advice whose answers are plastered all over the Warlock forums.

About your character: get hitcapped, choose any of the specs discussed here.

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Old 01/20/09, 3:07 PM   #398
raaron1990
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Nathrezim
Originally Posted by imtsensational View Post
I'll apologize beforehand if I sound like a jerk. Maybe it's just me but I don't believe this is the place for you to throw out your stats/spec and ask for simple advice whose answers are plastered all over the Warlock forums.

About your character: get hitcapped, choose any of the specs discussed here.
That's just the thing. There are many to choose from and I'm asking for help on which is best for my optimal DPS given my current gear and what not. I've read most of the the pages in this forum, and a lot of them are arguments on certain talent points in certain trees and whether they're a wasted point or not. I'm just looking for a straight up answer to my question.

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Old 01/20/09, 3:31 PM   #399
supplicium
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by raaron1990 View Post
That's just the thing. There are many to choose from and I'm asking for help on which is best for my optimal DPS given my current gear and what not. I've read most of the the pages in this forum, and a lot of them are arguments on certain talent points in certain trees and whether they're a wasted point or not. I'm just looking for a straight up answer to my question.
Ok, here's the deal, more important than spec is you are able to hit the boss, work on that, go 40/31 to artificially buff your spelldmg and crit until you can get some gear, and hit the on switch in your brain, choose for your self, you have to make your own decision, get a spread sheet (look for bakkas post a few threads down).

We can't tell you what spec you should go for your gear, you can judge for your self what is the best spec based on the pages and pages of data and theory crafting in this thread.

Hope this helps.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 01/20/09, 4:07 PM   #400
krilz
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Laughing Skull (EU)
Originally Posted by raaron1990 View Post
That's just the thing. There are many to choose from and I'm asking for help on which is best for my optimal DPS given my current gear and what not. I've read most of the the pages in this forum, and a lot of them are arguments on certain talent points in certain trees and whether they're a wasted point or not. I'm just looking for a straight up answer to my question.
The reason why is because they all compete on pretty much equal level. After the patch goes live 2/13/56 will probably be the biggest winner but as of now, they all work pretty much the same. My best advice is to try it them all out and pick the one you like the most.

Made some small changes to the first posts such as stat numbers, SF during BD, Corruption or not, glyphs. More to be added later.

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Old 01/20/09, 4:37 PM   #401
raaron1990
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Nathrezim
Kk, thanks for actually being helpful. =]

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Old 01/20/09, 5:20 PM   #402
Pidge
Von Kaiser
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Malfurion
I'm running into an issue with the new Conflag rotation in that there's a very noticeable gap between casting Immolate and the client registering Immolate is active on the target and allowing Conflagrate to be cast. Should I just cast an Incinerate inbetween, and how much of a DPS impact is that gong to be since it come up every two Conflagrates.

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Old 01/20/09, 5:25 PM   #403
Trickykid
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Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
don't refresh corruption till you are out of backdraft.
Why not? Only destruction spells eat charges.

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Old 01/20/09, 5:38 PM   #404
Debby
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Sylvanas (EU)
I read the 3.0.8 patch notes and I didn't see any mention to buffing Chaos Bolt dmg. Did I miss anything? I thought they were buffing it. :S

Source : World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Patch 3.0.8 is Live!

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Old 01/20/09, 6:04 PM   #405
supplicium
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
Why not? Only destruction spells eat charges.
the idea is to get out of backdraft fast enough to cast immolate

Originally Posted by Debby View Post
I read the 3.0.8 patch notes and I didn't see any mention to buffing Chaos Bolt dmg. Did I miss anything? I thought they were buffing it. :S

Source : World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Patch 3.0.8 is Live!
Sigh, Dude I don't even know where to start.

just know that chaosbolt does a significant amount more damage a lot more, we aren't trying to deceive you.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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