This are great buffs for deep destro, maybe not great in the sense that the spec will be the most powerful but great in the sense that it will be able to compete with other specs a lil' bit more. I'm really looking forward to these changes.
maby it is asked here before, but looking at the build of buzzkill, The World of Warcraft Armory, does he sac his imp or not? coz im not seeing any point for the imp to improve him for your own benefit?
Why are you naming Malygos p2 and Thaddius p2? Never had my imp dying in neither of them.
It's not that they're dying but they have a tendency to bug out. I've encountered many times during Thaddius that my pet doesn't follow me when I jump over to Thaddius and that the pet just stands and does nothing on Malygos. It may be just me, but I find them pretty useless at those times.
"There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge.
We are NOT making those changes."
Sounds like the Destro buffs happen, but not the demo nerfs. I'm interested to see how a 13/56+2 compares with a 31/40 build after that. I'm running the later, but I'm tempted to try deeper destro.
I'm curious...on the deeper destro builds how people are tuning their rotation. It looks like it should be:
COA, Imo, CB, Incin.....Conflag (X3 Incin)or(CB X2 Incin)or(Imo, CB, Incin) or (Soul Fire X3? ) I'm assuming with the CB buffs that we should be rotating in CB whenever you can fit it in and popping Corruption if your on the run or high on mana. Feedback here on what works for you? Also glyphs... COA, Imp, and ? (Corrupt...Conflag, and Imo all seem to have issues)
Hello, again. I would really like to see a 0/31/40 raiding warlock's wws.
Well, it's not 31/40, but 30/41, but here you go: Wow Web Stats
For the record, I know I was missing a couple of things and screwing up my rotation a time or two, so I'm sure I'll do better this week with this particular fight.
Honestly, I like this build. Its not complex, relatively easy to keep going with minor pet management. But I am tempted to see how Chaos Bolt handles once the new changes go live.
Originally Posted by Shabaz
I'm curious...on the deeper destro builds how people are tuning their rotation.
From what I have seen elsewhere in these threads, the casting is CB > curse of agony > immo > Incinxwhatever > conflag > incinx3 and CB whenever its up, reapply curse as needed.
We were running Naxx25 with a warlock of each those specs, and results show that EI seems to be superior to 2 points MD/1 point DK. The raidbuffed imp has a crit chance ~25%, resulting in at least 10% higher Incinerate crit rate for the EI warlock. Both warlocks were on similar gear levels.
Therefore I am confused to see many 0/31/40 specs on the armory. Maybe starting at a certain gear level more MD/DK tip the scales?
0/20/51 - Stole the build from Buzzkill's spec (eu armory seems to be down). Glyphs are imp, corr and conflag. I hate the conflag glyph, but it seemed the only choice.
In our 10 man - no oomkin or DK, so I use COE. We are starting 25 mans in the new year (we're casual).
Rotation for trash is corr, COA (if the target will be up for a bit), CB, immo, incin spam. Conflag if the mob is still alive.
Rotation for boss is COE, corr, CB, immo, incin, CB when cd is up, conflag (timing is an issue here - sometimes gcd+lag means i miss it), immo, incin, CB.
CB falls backwards through the rotation, so eventually, you end up: Conflag, CB, corr, immo, incin. On a longer fight, this will rotate right around until it is back to my original rotation.
Our group has both a sp and Ret, so I benefit from the mana regen - I tap when I can squeeze it in - on a fight with movement it is easy to work into the rotation.
My gear needs more hit and more haste, but as you can see, I'm still wearing a few 70 pieces.
WWS for our 10 man raid: Wow Web Stats - the group had a disc priest who was PW:I me for some of the fights.
I wrote a bunch of simple shift modifier macros to make things easier. Immo/conflag, dots/sb, incin/cb. Makes things easier to manage. Dottimer for my dots. I'd kill for a mod that counts down my CB cooldown - any suggestions? atm, I have CB in a spare action bar so that I can monitor the cooldown (placed right under my castbar).
My gear is pretty weak atm. This was my first 25 man raid with this spec and rotation and I am loving it. I'm sure I messed up from time to time. I know for a fact I clipped Immolate a little early a few times and that I did not cast CB as soon as it came off cooldown.
I gotta say this spec is very fun. I was worried it would be difficult to play but its really fairly simple. Just keep an eye on CB and Immolate and cast accordingly. Very fun and I'm sure my DPS will improve the better I get at it.
Any have any suggestions for mods that will make a sound when a dot(immo) only has a set duration left or when a cooldown is ready to go again. I used to use Ghost: Pulse for my cooldowns but I'm not finding an update for it for LK.
Edit: my rotation is Immo, CoA, CB, Incinerate till Immolate has < 3s, Conflag, CB as it cools. All while refreshing CoA as needed. I use a priority system if I have multiple things happening at once. Conflag, CB, Immolate, CoA in that order.
"There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge.
We are NOT making those changes."
Sounds like the Destro buffs happen, but not the demo nerfs. I'm interested to see how a 13/56+2 compares with a 31/40 build after that. I'm running the later, but I'm tempted to try deeper destro.
I'm curious...on the deeper destro builds how people are tuning their rotation. It looks like it should be:
COA, Imo, CB, Incin.....Conflag (X3 Incin)or(CB X2 Incin)or(Imo, CB, Incin) or (Soul Fire X3? ) I'm assuming with the CB buffs that we should be rotating in CB whenever you can fit it in and popping Corruption if your on the run or high on mana. Feedback here on what works for you? Also glyphs... COA, Imp, and ? (Corrupt...Conflag, and Imo all seem to have issues)
Going on the new changes i would "assume" that (taking into account Tier 7 4 piece) Conflag, Lifetap, Chaos,Immo, Incin, Lifetap may be a more valued Rotation for Backdraft, atleast it brings the most benefit utilising both lifetap and backdraft in my eyes. I wouldnt fit CB in "whenever you can" as you can always fit in after Conflag, CD on chaos 12 secs, Immolate 15 secs, but generally we clip it for conflag, so 13 secs. would seem the logical choice. more so now backdraft lowers gcd also.
You could potentially make a 1 button hunter afk macro for it too ^^
Immolate should be highest priority since it has highest DPCT, its downtime is simply that bad. Earlier Immolate also allows you to Conflagrate earlier since you don't want to clip too much of Immolate. Some calculations showed that it may be desirable to eat Immolate before 4th tick (i.e. between 10 and 12 seconds), the fact that Backdraft will reduce GCD can make it even more so. However the loss of DPS due to keeping your rotation elegant is theoretically very small, in fact you can gain DPS due to elegant rotation causing less stress. The rotation is based on Chaos Bolt recast rate which is 12 sec + cast time, so between 13-14 seconds. Oddly enough Glyphed Curse of Agony has to be recast every 2 Chaos Bolts. Again, as I say it's very desirable (for reduced stress) to keep Immolate, Conflagrate, and Chaos Bolt in the same nice chain, depending on whether you want to use Chaos Bolt during Backdraft, so it should be put either before Conflagrate, or after Immolate.
Well, while I agree it's worded weirdly I think it's highly likely that the meaning is:
"Your Shadow (spells and damage over time effects)"
rather than
"Your (Shadow spells) and (DoT effects)"
I'm sure this was cleared up by everyone but I wanted to state that Shadow Bolt also proc's MC. I'm not sure how viable it would be in a rotation but I found this out today after throwing shadow bolts at a fire elemental today in wintergrasp.
I'm sure this was cleared up by everyone but I wanted to state that Shadow Bolt also proc's MC. I'm not sure how viable it would be in a rotation but I found this out today after throwing shadow bolts at a fire elemental today in wintergrasp.
Confirming this. It has procced for me multiple times when using Shadowfury in PvP.
It's not that they're dying but they have a tendency to bug out. I've encountered many times during Thaddius that my pet doesn't follow me when I jump over to Thaddius and that the pet just stands and does nothing on Malygos. It may be just me, but I find them pretty useless at those times.
On Thaddius dismiss your pet before you jump then resummon him at the bottom while the tank is positioning him.
On Thaddius dismiss your pet before you jump then resummon him at the bottom while the tank is positioning him.
Who moves thaddius? There isnt time for resummoning. This is quite an annoying thing and I was talking to some hunters about ways to not get our lock pets scared to do the jump.
They mentioned before you jump set your pet to attack thaddius once hes clickable, and then hit passive right away. I cant test this till tomorrow, but I'm game for anything to try and get the pets to do something this fight.
Who moves thaddius? There isnt time for resummoning. This is quite an annoying thing and I was talking to some hunters about ways to not get our lock pets scared to do the jump.
They mentioned before you jump set your pet to attack thaddius once hes clickable, and then hit passive right away. I cant test this till tomorrow, but I'm game for anything to try and get the pets to do something this fight.
either way either you lose 5 seconds of dps at the very beginning and have your imp the whole fight or you can take that five seconds, not have your imp.
I just change my imp to standbye, than spam follow like 20 times while running to get into position on thaddius and he always follows. Felgaurd on the other hand just runs around the bottom and never makes the jump
This is my current talent built, I will be testing it out on Malygos tonight. On the test dummies, I was pushing 2100 dps with just the haste spell stone. My rotation was like most that I have seen so far. Imm > Conflag > Imm > Corr > Chaos Bolt > Incenx3 > Conflag > Repeat.
Who moves thaddius? There isnt time for resummoning. This is quite an annoying thing and I was talking to some hunters about ways to not get our lock pets scared to do the jump.
They mentioned before you jump set your pet to attack thaddius once hes clickable, and then hit passive right away. I cant test this till tomorrow, but I'm game for anything to try and get the pets to do something this fight.
We usually wait for him to do his first polarity charge before dpsing anyways, so we get full stack of that buff, so there is always a time to resummon imp. But it is annoying, I agree.
. On the test dummies, I was pushing 2100 dps with just the haste spell stone. My rotation was like most that I have seen so far. Imm > Conflag > Imm > Corr > Chaos Bolt > Incenx3 > Conflag > Repeat.
What do you guys think of it?
Personally in the Destro spec I use the fire stone as the majority of your dmg is direct dmg not dots so why not increase your most dmg'ing attacks and also from what i've been able to come up with is you get plenty of haste from gear for destro the extra crit helps quite a bit.
Rotation is pretty simple, CoE, Immo, Corr, CB, Incin( spam untill Immos about up, can usualy get in a good 4-6 depending on haste ), and then repeat from Immo. You should be able to time it pretty perfectly and only have to clip the tail end of corruption.
12/12/08, 5:32 AM
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