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Old 03/08/09, 6:05 PM   #751
Talimar
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Kazzak (EU)
rei-gouki: I could be wrong but I don't think his numbers are from the PTR. I don't see pyroclasm listed in buffs gained.

Lockstep: Why no conflag glyph? You have backdraft so doesn't make sense to not use conflag at every cooldown.

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Old 03/08/09, 7:47 PM   #752
Lockstep
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
Originally Posted by Talimar View Post
Lockstep: Why no conflag glyph? You have backdraft so doesn't make sense to not use conflag at every cooldown.
While using conflag on every CD would give you more backdraft charges, it fails to take advantage of the increased critical chance on conflag when immolate has less than 5 seconds remaining on its duration.

In 3.1, using conflag during the high critical zone of immolate (sub-5 seconds) will have implications for pyroclasm uptime. Due to the fact that molten core is moving next door, having conflagrate crit, and therefore pyroclasm active, is potentially a DPS increase.

If one does glyph for conflag and stick to making use of fire and brimstone (i.e.: conflagging under 5 seconds on immo), the potential gain on backdraft charges would only exist at the beginning of a fight when you can fit 2 conflags inside one immo duration. Every other immo duration, would have conflag occur inside the 5 remaining seconds on the immo, at which point your only real dps gain is that last tick of immo + whatever extra DPS time you got in from the 1st backdraft.

All that being said, I've not really found the conflag glyph a HUGE dps boost. I'd rather have CoA proc MC. Come 3.1 however, incinerate WILL be an obvious dps boost and will be one of the 3 glyphs I choose.


Also apologies for posting meters. My intention was not to /flex but to simply show destro's capabilities. Lesson learned I guess.

Last edited by Lockstep : 03/09/09 at 12:43 AM.

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Old 03/09/09, 12:55 AM   #753
Lockstep
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
Originally Posted by rei-gouki View Post
@ Lockstep:
Sorry to be a bother, but what sort of change has 3.1 been to your DPS. I look at that number and have no idea if it's up or down. I'd have to further ask if you have changed your rotation to accomodate the 3.1 changes.
No bother at all rei-gouki.

Those numbers were actually done on 3.0.9 live. (If you want to see the WWS, send me a private message.)

Its difficult to say thus far what 3.1 will mean for raid dps. I CAN say, on PTR dummies, my solo chaos bolt destro dps has increased by about 6%. I will refrain from posting actual numbers here, as I was reprimanded previously for doing so. I think part of the increase comes from the incinerate glyph and the improved damage on conflag (which crits for really big numbers.)

My question is: how will that 6% increase on the dummies translate in a 25 man raid on 3.1? I am hoping that the raid scaling I've witnessed on the live servers translates to an even bigger boost in 3.1.

I am a big fan of the destro spec and hope I can continue to contribute as such in 3.1.

Last edited by Lockstep : 03/09/09 at 1:01 AM.

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Old 03/11/09, 11:58 PM   #754
dallalr
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
Destro Locs FTW

Here is our Patchwerk WWS. Our three Destro locs (0/13/58) came up on top.
Now, it was an immortal run - so it is possible some people were holding back - but I doubt it.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Wow Web Stats

We dont hit the 7K+ DPS the Affliction guys do - but from some testing on the PTR- - I am expecting a big DPS boost come 3.1.

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Old 03/12/09, 10:46 AM   #755
ScarFeis
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Zul'Jin (EU)
hI, I am working in a 0/28/43 spec. but i am thinking about putting 3 points in empowered imp getting it out from master demonologist. it''s 3% of total damage and 3% of crit in front of increase imps damage 15% and 20% crit for us when our imp makes crit.
is there some maths about it?
imp makes crit about 50% of times , it give us 20% crit every 4 seconds. is this better than 3% crit fixed every time?
our imp makes 12% of our total damage. 15% increase means 1.8% increase in our total damage, worth than 3% fixed of master demonologist.
then the increase of crit can be better than the loss of 1.2% of damage?

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Old 03/12/09, 2:13 PM   #756
Spiritmoon
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Aszune (EU)
Originally Posted by dallalr View Post
Here is our Patchwerk WWS. Our three Destro locs (0/13/58) came up on top.
Now, it was an immortal run - so it is possible some people were holding back - but I doubt it.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Wow Web Stats

We dont hit the 7K+ DPS the Affliction guys do - but from some testing on the PTR- - I am expecting a big DPS boost come 3.1.
I've just started Destruction spec again and I'm wondering which casting order you use?
I will try to get more gear with spellpower so I don't think at time being I will reach those numbers you put up on patchwerk but I hope I can at least be some what higher than 2800 I normally put out with affliction.

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Old 03/12/09, 3:47 PM   #757
dallalr
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
Originally Posted by Spiritmoon View Post
I've just started Destruction spec again and I'm wondering which casting order you use?
I will try to get more gear with spellpower so I don't think at time being I will reach those numbers you put up on patchwerk but I hope I can at least be some what higher than 2800 I normally put out with affliction.
For 3.09:

Keep COA, Imm, Corr - up at all times.

CB and Conflag on all cooldowns

Incinerate as filler.

Soulfire can be used under backdraft. I tend to use it only on heroisms.

As with Affliction - Spell timers and CD timers are very helpful (mandatory?)

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Old 03/12/09, 5:16 PM   #758
Tukar
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Laughing Skull
Originally Posted by dallalr View Post
For 3.09:

Keep COA, Imm, Corr - up at all times.

CB and Conflag on all cooldowns

Incinerate as filler.

Soulfire can be used under backdraft. I tend to use it only on heroisms.

As with Affliction - Spell timers and CD timers are very helpful (mandatory?)
Concerning your spec, is the 5 points in Fire and Brimstone best or are they better put elsewhere?
I have read that the F&B is not a good enough dps increase for the 5 points.

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Old 03/12/09, 5:42 PM   #759
Phorx
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by dallalr View Post
Here is our Patchwerk WWS. Our three Destro locs (0/13/58) came up on top.
Now, it was an immortal run - so it is possible some people were holding back - but I doubt it.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Wow Web Stats

We don't hit the 7K+ DPS the Affliction guys do - but from some testing on the PTR- - I am expecting a big DPS boost come 3.1.
What Glyphs are you using?

I'm thinking of rolling with that spec or a branch of it.. Last night on 25 man Patchwerk I did 4.5k DPS as the FelGuard / Emberstorm spec. I'm thinking that sense I do have the 2 set bonus for T7 that throwing a Curse of Doom might be more beneficial. Tried it during a Heroic Dummy and I did about 2600 dps with Doom and 2400 dps with Agony; self buffed of course.

Last edited by Phorx : 03/12/09 at 6:04 PM.

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Old 03/12/09, 6:23 PM   #760
dallalr
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
Originally Posted by Phorx View Post
What Glyphs are you using?

I'm thinking of rolling with that spec or a branch of it.. Last night on 25 man Patchwerk I did 4.5k DPS as the FelGuard / Emberstorm spec. I'm thinking that sense I do have the 2 set bonus for T7 that throwing a Curse of Doom might be more beneficial. Tried it during a Heroic Dummy and I did about 2600 dps with Doom and 2400 dps with Agony; self buffed of course.
imp, COA, Immolate glyphs.

As for F&B - yeh - I am underwhelmed by the talent. However, I have a hard time finding other talents that will substantially increase my dps. So, my points sit there for now.

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Old 03/12/09, 6:55 PM   #761
Phorx
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
<N/A>
Twisting Nether
I currently have those glyphs also. I'm trying to get the conflagrate glyph but scribes on my server fail. Anywho my DPS on a heroic dummy was pretty poor, about 2300 avg dps. Im guessing that this spec requires some of the higher end gear. At the moment i'm only best in slot with 2 pieces: Shoulders and wand.
My armory

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Old 03/12/09, 6:57 PM   #762
Warlockx
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Altar of Storms
Originally Posted by dallalr View Post
Here is our Patchwerk WWS. Our three Destro locs (0/13/58) came up on top.
Now, it was an immortal run - so it is possible some people were holding back - but I doubt it.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Wow Web Stats

We dont hit the 7K+ DPS the Affliction guys do - but from some testing on the PTR- - I am expecting a big DPS boost come 3.1.
Last night as destro with a 2/13/56 spec I hit 6k dps on Patchwerk. Here is the DPS chart:

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

I am not sure why on the sims it never says destro can hit 6k, but it can. Yes, I could do more DPS with afflic but I think destro is a lot more fun. I use the firestone and fully raid buffed my crit %'s for destro spells are usually over 40%. As you can see on this Patchwerk attempt I was around 50% which is normal these days.

Also a link to my armory if you are curious:
The World of Warcraft Armory

EDIT: for glyphs I have been using: immolate, CoA, and Conflag

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Old 03/12/09, 7:12 PM   #763
Phorx
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
<N/A>
Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by Warlockx View Post
Last night as destro with a 2/13/56 spec I hit 6k dps on Patchwerk. Here is the DPS chart:

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

I am not sure why on the sims it never says destro can hit 6k, but it can. Yes, I could do more DPS with afflic but I think destro is a lot more fun. I use the firestone and fully raid buffed my crit %'s for destro spells are usually over 40%. As you can see on this Patchwerk attempt I was around 50% which is normal these days.

Also a link to my armory if you are curious:
The World of Warcraft Armory

EDIT: for glyphs I have been using: immolate, CoA, and Conflag
Also I see you had a Doomguard that fight - its great they are reducing CD to 30 minutes

Can I get a your rotation?

I know the priority as stated on the first page, but I like to gather info from more than one source

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Old 03/12/09, 7:35 PM   #764
Warlockx
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Altar of Storms
Originally Posted by Phorx View Post
Also I see you had a Doomguard that fight - its great they are reducing CD to 30 minutes

Can I get a your rotation?

I know the priority as stated on the first page, but I like to gather info from more than one source

First off, yes they are lowering the Doomguards CD but I am pretty sure they are also lowering it's damage output too and it's health so it won't be as much as a DPS boost anymore.

And my rotation is usually: Corruption, CoA, then I apply Immo, Conflag, Chaos bolt, and then Incin spam until conflag is back up then I Incin 2x and chaos bolt, then I reapply Immo (and my dots if needed) and continue like that. The reason I use 2 Incin's before chaos bolt is because chaos bolt is on CD but I always use Chaos Bolt as soon as it is up. I also always keep Corruption and CoA up for Molten Core procs and for the 2pc T7 crit bonus. That crit bonus with raid buffs and the imp's crit bonus usually scyrockets my crit rate.

Also, right before bloodlust goes off reapply your immo, Corr and CoA, then pop a wild magic potion just as bloodlust goes off and spam your nukes. I usually only reapply Immolate during bloodlust for the conflags and just stick to nuking during the bloodlust as CoA will last for 28 seconds anyways with the glyph out of the 40 seconds of the bloodlust (so for 12 seconds of the fight I won't have CoA or Corruption up).

Last edited by Warlockx : 03/12/09 at 7:45 PM.

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Old 03/12/09, 8:02 PM   #765
Phorx
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
<N/A>
Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by Warlockx View Post
First off, yes they are lowering the Doomguards CD but I am pretty sure they are also lowering it's damage output too and it's health so it won't be as much as a DPS boost anymore.

And my rotation is usually: Corruption, CoA, then I apply Immo, Conflag, Chaos bolt, and then Incin spam until conflag is back up then I Incin 2x and chaos bolt, then I reapply Immo (and my dots if needed) and continue like that. The reason I use 2 Incin's before chaos bolt is because chaos bolt is on CD but I always use Chaos Bolt as soon as it is up. I also always keep Corruption and CoA up for Molten Core procs and for the 2pc T7 crit bonus. That crit bonus with raid buffs and the imp's crit bonus usually scyrockets my crit rate.

Also, right before bloodlust goes off reapply your immo, Corr and CoA, then pop a wild magic potion just as bloodlust goes off and spam your nukes. I usually only reapply Immolate during bloodlust for the conflags and just stick to nuking during the bloodlust as CoA will last for 28 seconds anyways with the glyph out of the 40 seconds of the bloodlust (so for 12 seconds of the fight I won't have CoA or Corruption up).

Thank you for your input. For patch 3.1.0 that spec will entirely change. I usually use the Potion of Speeds. Will shadow destruction be revived again?

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