The Mage Equivalent: The Destruction Warlock - Page 66

krilz · 06/10/09, 3:59 AM

Originally Posted by ElJoser

I believe the first page has not been updated recently, so the rotation shown there is quite a bit out of date. It still shows CoA and Corruption in the priority list, so it is almost certainly the old priority list from when Molten Core was a 2nd (1st?) tier talent in the Destro tree. The rotation you showed above seems about right, with the only exception that Curse of Doom (great DPCT) should be thrown in there somewhere, probably right after CB?

Corruption and CoA no longer seem to be relevant spells for Destro, except for during a movement phase when you have nothing else to do (no need to lifetap and Conflag isn't off cooldown)

Correct. The first page is still out of date as I'm still working on it. Things have loosened up for me now so I should have a lot more time to re-write the OP but since I'm putting a lot of time in it (the goal is to get it in to the TTT) it might take a while before it's up.

The correct rotation is COD -> Immolate -> Conflagrate -> CB -> Incinerate. Note however that some players experience lag between Immo and Conflag which might give you a second of "dead time" so you can cast COD/Corruption here or just wait for Conlag (hopefully to proc a Pyroclasm) and then put down COD.

As for Corruption or not... Corruption has slightly lower DPCT than Incinerate but if you still carry around 2pT7 it's still worth casting it somewhat. Once that is gone however, Corruption can be left out entirely (but cast on heavy movement fights).

realCool · 06/10/09, 5:03 AM

I think on some thread has already been posted that it may be better to cast CoD after Conflag because of the Pyroclasm proc

mdl060374 · 06/10/09, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kataklysm

i disagree with the rotation.

tested:

immo, cb, conflagrate, inci, conflagrate, immo, cb.

with average 25er naxxramas gear and 3 parts of ulduar nh i've been rolling 6.7k (screenshotproof) on council in heroic ulduar.

about 500-700 more than with the rotation as shown on the first page.

I am not arguing with your results, but I thought the entire point of the rotation was to cast CB AFTER conflag, to have CB benefit from the possible bonus damage proc of Conflag (pyroclasm.)

In your rotation you are casting CB before.

matthewseidl · 06/10/09, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by mdl060374

I am not arguing with your results, but I thought the entire point of the rotation was to cast CB AFTER conflag, to have CB benefit from the possible bonus damage proc of Conflag (pyroclasm.)

In your rotation you are casting CB before.

Are we arguing rotation or priority? Starting rotation seems mostly unimportant when after those 5 casts its down to priority.

My personal priority: CoD, Immolate, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate. I suffer from the immo lag (sometimes, it seems to go away with another destro lock in raid somewhat), so I generally delay CoD initially to between immo and conflag, and then afterword fill that gap with a lifetap, corruption (still using 4p T7), or an incinerate.

pugs355 · 06/11/09, 8:41 PM

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Krixooks · 06/11/09, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by matthewseidl

My personal priority: CoD, Immolate, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate. I suffer from the immo lag (sometimes, it seems to go away with another destro lock in raid somewhat), so I generally delay CoD initially to between immo and conflag, and then afterword fill that gap with a lifetap, corruption (still using 4p T7), or an incinerate.

Do you mean 2pT7?
I am doing the same, and I generally find that I can cast CoD as I run in.
Another warlock here slightly confused about glyphs, and am eagerly awaiting updated Destro post.

guhase · 06/11/09, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by pugs355

Are destro locks using the Lifetap glyph or not so much? Just went dual spec on my lock and want to play with destruction a bit but not sure how to glyph him since the first page of this is a bit out of date...

Just referring back to the raiding compendium thread, but you use the life tap glyph if you are not spec'ed into improved soul leech. If you do pick up isl then use the incinerate glyph. The other slots are taken by conflag and immolate glyphs.

Airless · 06/12/09, 7:42 AM

I see alot people use this CoD, Immolate, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate.

anyone can tell what is with COE is it still usefull to cast?

Sievel · 06/12/09, 8:00 AM

Well I use CotE all the time... And for some reason I can't get higher dps when I use CoA or CoD (maybe I'm a twat :P)

The thing is, and I may be wrong, I get the feeling that Ebon PLague and Earth and the Moon uptimes aren't so hawt...

So I keep CotE up and do the normal rotation, without Corr either. That's how I got better results.

Shikyo · 06/12/09, 8:41 AM

If you strive to maximize your performance you should only use CoE if there is no unholy DK or balance Druid present to keep their respective spell damage debuff on the target. CoD is the best option for us as long as the target has more than 60 seconds to live. CoA is also a dps increase (although a minor one) over no curse at all but I tend to not use it as I prefer the simpler rotation without it.

fled · 06/12/09, 8:42 AM

Also, when using the CoD "rotation", if boss fight < 1 min left, is it still worth throwing in Corr (some suggest CoA) as filler even if you don't have 2pt7? Ive tried both and the gains seem to be marginal if any really.

Dagaves · 06/12/09, 8:50 AM

Originally Posted by guhase

Just referring back to the raiding compendium thread, but you use the life tap glyph if you are not spec'ed into improved soul leech. If you do pick up isl then use the incinerate glyph. The other slots are taken by conflag and immolate glyphs.

I think it is incinerate and conflag, with immolate being replaced by LT glyph without soul leech.

Re: 'rotation' - I have slightly higher lag than others and find that doing immo, CB, conflag, incin spam works best for me. I tend to have what I perceive to be too long between casting immolate and when I can cast conflag so I throw CB in there. The timing works out well in that CB is off cooldown about the time I need to refresh immolate.

Diogenetic · 06/12/09, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by fled

Also, when using the CoD "rotation", if boss fight < 1 min left, is it still worth throwing in Corr (some suggest CoA) as filler even if you don't have 2pt7? Ive tried both and the gains seem to be marginal if any really.

Only when moving, or otherwise unable to cast anything but instants. If you do not have 2pt7, CoA would be preferable, unless it is already up of course.

Aesik · 06/12/09, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dagaves

I think it is incinerate and conflag, with immolate being replaced by LT glyph without soul leech.

Re: 'rotation' - I have slightly higher lag than others and find that doing immo, CB, conflag, incin spam works best for me. I tend to have what I perceive to be too long between casting immolate and when I can cast conflag so I throw CB in there. The timing works out well in that CB is off cooldown about the time I need to refresh immolate.

Dagaves I think you may have misunderstood.
It is the Incinerate glyph that gets replaced by Lifetap Glyph in a build with ISL.
In a destro build your #1 glyph is your immolate glyph as it boosts both immolate and your conflag spells.
Just don't want anyone confused.

Demi9OD · 06/12/09, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Aesik

Dagaves I think you may have misunderstood.
It is the Incinerate glyph that gets replaced by Lifetap Glyph in a build with ISL.
In a destro build your #1 glyph is your immolate glyph as it boosts both immolate and your conflag spells.
Just don't want anyone confused.

You are confused. The Incinerate glyph is always better than the Immolate glyph.