The Mage Equivalent: The Destruction Warlock - Page 67

dotcow · 06/12/09, 11:53 PM

About conflag, are we doing this every time it's off CD such as..

Imm/Curse/Conflag/Chaos/Incinx3-4/Conflag/Imm/Chaos/Incin etc ?

Teon · 06/14/09, 11:20 AM

Conflagrate should be put on CD as soon as it refreshes, without cancelling a currently casted spell of course.

zerorev · 06/14/09, 3:44 PM

With the changes to Fire and Brimstone I was wondering if it is still better to cast soulfire while under the effects of both heroism and backdraft or to continue with chaos bolt/incinerates?

LordObsidian · 06/15/09, 9:31 AM

Not worth it, Incinerates and Chaosbolt do more damage with immolate up than soulfires.

Valilock · 06/16/09, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sievel

Well I use CotE all the time... And for some reason I can't get higher dps when I use CoA or CoD (maybe I'm a twat :P)

The thing is, and I may be wrong, I get the feeling that Ebon PLague and Earth and the Moon uptimes aren't so hawt...

So I keep CotE up and do the normal rotation, without Corr either. That's how I got better results.

If your Boomkin is alive and not afk then Earth and Moon will be up.

QibingZero · 06/19/09, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by Valilock

If your Boomkin is alive and not afk then Earth and Moon will be up.

And the same goes with Ebon Plague and your Unholy DK. If you have either one of those in your raid, you should never have to even think about using CoE. Especially since while CoE can often be a DPS decrease for a warlock, those other effects are from talents which are actually DPS increases for their respective classes, and effectively cost nothing to keep up on the mob you're fighting.

Raugturi · 06/19/09, 4:31 PM

It appears that krilz is banned. What is the correct process now for getting the original post updated? I guess the first question would be whether or not the ban is temporary. If so, then I'm sure he can handle it once he returns. If not, should someone create a new thread? Or, is a separate thread for each tree really necessary? We could always just combine everything into the PVE Raiding Compendium V3.1

MarcAntony · 06/24/09, 2:31 PM

I have an issue where my Chaos Bolt is not doing the correct amount of damage and is hurting my dps. I somewhat noticed it the other night just from peripheral vision noticing the numbers going up above the boss' heads after firing off Conflags, Incinerates, and CBs and seeing amazingly low numbers when CB hits. Its hitting for around 40% as hard as Incinerate is.

But my CBs, in a fully buffed raid-environment, are doing less than half of the damage that Incinerate does. My Conflag is hitting like a dumptruck as well as Incinerate, but Chaos Bolt is hitting for 2.5k and critting for 5.5k max. And my rotation is Immo ---> CB ----> Conflag ----> CoD ----> Incinerate. It is hitting with Immo up - there is no question about it.

I took screenshots of my Recount last night and will post them as soon as I get home, but the guy who parses raids for WMO/WWS is on vacation right now, so the screenshots is all I have. But this has been the case for a few days at least.

Actually, heres an old parse that shows it (I’ve upgraded gear considerably since this parse, but you get the point)

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

This is every single raid, every encounter, 24/7. My CB is limp

pghiocel · 06/24/09, 2:38 PM

MarcAntony: You are using Rank 1 Chaosbolt. (at least in that WoW Meter Online log).

MarcAntony · 06/24/09, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by pghiocel

MarcAntony: You are using Rank 1 Chaosbolt. (at least in that WoW Meter Online log).

And this is why I waited a few days before posting this - because I figured it was something obvious or strange like this. Its definately bugged then. I noticed last night after raid that when I do not have "Show all spell ranks" selected that the option it gives for CB is rnk1. But then when I select the show all ranks option I can see 1-3 and pull 3 onto the hotbar and fired a couple mobs and the damage didn't increase so I mistakenly scratched that off as the reason for the discrepancy. It would appear I am unable to access anything except rnk1 CB.

Could be a keybindings issue I suppose. Either way, I'll open a ticket about it if I can't fix it. Gracias

Demi9OD · 06/24/09, 4:16 PM

Purchase rank 4 from the trainer.

Desaix · 06/25/09, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by MarcAntony

And this is why I waited a few days before posting this - because I figured it was something obvious or strange like this. Its definately bugged then. I noticed last night after raid that when I do not have "Show all spell ranks" selected that the option it gives for CB is rnk1. But then when I select the show all ranks option I can see 1-3 and pull 3 onto the hotbar and fired a couple mobs and the damage didn't increase so I mistakenly scratched that off as the reason for the discrepancy. It would appear I am unable to access anything except rnk1 CB.

Could be a keybindings issue I suppose. Either way, I'll open a ticket about it if I can't fix it. Gracias

I would also make sure you are not using a macro (e.g., binding pet attack, trinket activitation, etc.) that has specified rank 1 CB.

nenad · 06/26/09, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

I've got an issue I am not sure how to handle in my destro rotation. The cooldown of Chaos Bolt and duration of Immolate is such that quite often CB comes off cooldown when Immolate has less than 2 seconds remaining. In this scenario I have a two choices. I can cast the Chaos Bolt, which will not receieve the F&B bonus or I can cast an Incinerate with no F&B, Immolate, then CB.

My suspicion is that getting the CB cooldown counting down again, as well as virtually guaranteeing the next CB will be within my next Immolate is the better option, but it is frustrating when it seems like 50% of my CBs are not getting the 25% bonus. Of course I try to life tap or COD during last tick of Immolate, but that is not always an option.

You can test this scenarios now in simcraft. For example, I tested what impact on my DPS as destro would have if I cast Corruption in those cases when Incinerate would land without F&B, and yet too early to start recast of Immolate itself. That is about 0.75sec (w/o haste) period.

In simcraft, regular destro "rotation" (ie priority list) is something like:
actions+=/curse_of_doom/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap

Just adding corruption in priority list (after all others, before incinerate), result in slight DPS decrease (-15 dps):
actions+=/curse_of_doom/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/corruption/incinerate/life_tap

But if it is conditioned to use corruption only in those "no time for incinerate" cases, it actually result in DPS increase (+25 dps), and action list with that feature looks like:
actions+=/curse_of_doom/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/corruption,if=dot.immolate.remains<spell.incinerate.cast/incinerate/life_tap

You can use same approach to check for CB - if for example you want to delay CB and use Incinerate if CB would land without F&B, use:
actions+=/curse_of_doom/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt,if=dot.immolate.remains>cast/incinerate/life_tap

But since CB is cast much less frequently that Incinerate, and also its cast time is lower by 0.25sec, those "would miss F&B" situations are much less frequent for CB, so there was almost no difference in simulated DPS compared to "standard" case.

Dotdot · 06/26/09, 8:55 PM

I saw some discussion a few pages back about Affliction (53/0/18) vs deep destruction builds on Yogg-Saron. We killed Yogg with 1 watcher last week and had 0 mages (several people were having connection issues, all comcast....). I stayed Destruction (0/58/13) 3 other locks went Affliction. Yes I have one point in shadowfury still, that was left over from doing Freya hardmode in 10/25, quite useful.

My gear is pretty close with the others, and our damage was pretty close. I lost out a lot at the end to having turn away down time, I started the phase with about 70 sanity or so, ate the 1st tick of a lot of the initial Lunatic Gazes but after my sanity got low dps dropped off by a ton. Active time is 30-40s behind the others due to this. Yes I should have used corruption when I was turning away, only used 1 agony when he got sub 60s.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Alberich · 06/27/09, 4:14 AM

Originally Posted by MarcAntony

And this is why I waited a few days before posting this - because I figured it was something obvious or strange like this. Its definately bugged then. I noticed last night after raid that when I do not have "Show all spell ranks" selected that the option it gives for CB is rnk1. But then when I select the show all ranks option I can see 1-3 and pull 3 onto the hotbar and fired a couple mobs and the damage didn't increase so I mistakenly scratched that off as the reason for the discrepancy. It would appear I am unable to access anything except rnk1 CB.

Could be a keybindings issue I suppose. Either way, I'll open a ticket about it if I can't fix it. Gracias

I had noticed my DPS had inexplicably dropped as well when I read this post. Turns out the only rank of CB I had in my spellbook was 1 though I was able to get 2 through 4 from a trainer. I'm wondering if this is a dual spec bug because I'm certain I had all 4 ranks before. Of course I have no way to prove that. Still, giving the types of bugs they've had with dual spec this seems as likely a culprit as anything.