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12/03/08, 2:28 PM
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Banned
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Debuff Cap : Gone.
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> The Debuff Limit and You
We changed how the game handles debuffs (ie negative state effects on targets) on creatures with Wrath of the Lich King. The old hard cap of 40 debuffs on a target no longer effectively exists. You can now apply way more debuffs to a target without them dropping off before their duration expires. The default WoW UI will not normally display all these debuffs, but they really are still there!
So the warlocks who claim stuff is dropping off, they can be put in with the group of locks that swears CoD Crits!
(well assuming this actually WORKS) 
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12/03/08, 2:30 PM
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Keyboard Cowboy
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Nice, finally a post on this. I'd like them to define 'way more'. I'd also like to know if the API to check a debuff on a target works fine still even if its not in the 'first 40' that the WoW Frames show.
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12/03/08, 3:25 PM
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Glass Joe
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This must have changed w/ the actual Wrath go-live, because myself and others were still experiencing debuff dropoffs in 3.0 BC raiding.
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12/03/08, 4:33 PM
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Von Kaiser
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I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?
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12/03/08, 4:47 PM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Nordrassil (EU)
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Originally Posted by Lothiron
This must have changed w/ the actual Wrath go-live, because myself and others were still experiencing debuff dropoffs in 3.0 BC raiding.
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Since the change isn't client side (correct me if I'm wrong), I assume they are able to hot fix this without having to distribute a patch. The change was thus most likely implemented more recent.
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12/03/08, 4:59 PM
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Villeraz
I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?
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In my experience Drain Soul dropping isn't because of the debuff limit, it happens even when there are much fewer than 40 debuffs. It never happens when soloing though, so (out of pure hypothesis) there is a hidden trigger from some raid buff or debuff that autocancels it similar to how Health Funnel can autocancel when a pet is full health.
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12/03/08, 7:40 PM
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Piston Honda
Undead Warlock
Kil'Jaeden
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Originally Posted by ShinSR71
Since the change isn't client side (correct me if I'm wrong), I assume they are able to hot fix this without having to distribute a patch. The change was thus most likely implemented more recent.
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The change went live when the XPAC was released on Nov 13th.
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12/03/08, 7:48 PM
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Don Flamenco
Undead Warlock
Dentarg (EU)
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Originally Posted by Villeraz
I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?
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Yeah, I had exactly that multiple times today and when it happened, my unitframes showed me debuffs to be 'capped' at 40, so I figured that's what happened. But if that actually works, what would cause those DS to just end out of nowhere?
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12/03/08, 7:52 PM
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Frostwhisper (EU)
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Originally Posted by Nicarras
Nice, finally a post on this. I'd like them to define 'way more'. I'd also like to know if the API to check a debuff on a target works fine still even if its not in the 'first 40' that the WoW Frames show.
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Agreed "way more" is quite inaccurate. Hooray for affliction!
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12/03/08, 9:18 PM
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warlock
Gorgonnash (EU)
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Unfortunately, they still need to fix shadow embrace before you can say so. It is still bugged so that only the first warlock to apply the debuff can benefit from it.
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12/03/08, 9:22 PM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Magtheridon
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Now if they could only fix Shadow Embrace & Immolate.
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12/03/08, 9:58 PM
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Glass Joe
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Awesome! Glad to see this finally cleared up definitively =)
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12/04/08, 12:51 AM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by kaib
Yeah, I had exactly that multiple times today and when it happened, my unitframes showed me debuffs to be 'capped' at 40, so I figured that's what happened. But if that actually works, what would cause those DS to just end out of nowhere?
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I've had drain soul drop off before a mob died, with no stuns/knockbacks/interupts canceling it, in 5 man dungeons. So there was no way it was even close to 40 debuffs. Today it happened several times while grouped with a shaman healer, paladin tank, blood DK and a boomkin (I'm currently demonology specced) in heroic Violet Hold.
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12/04/08, 6:04 AM
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadowsong (EU)
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Originally Posted by Mystearica
Now if they could only fix Shadow Embrace & Immolate.
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The Immolate comment, I'm assuming you've been having Immolate drop off as well? I've seen this happen quite a few times, and wasn't sure what was causing it, but it wouldn't suddenly disappear, it seemed as if WoW didn't realise I had just casted Immolate on the mob and hasn't applied it at all (I'm hit capped).
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12/04/08, 6:06 AM
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Likes gnomes
Greenilocks
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kabale
The Immolate comment, I'm assuming you've been having Immolate drop off as well? I've seen this happen quite a few times, and wasn't sure what was causing it, but it wouldn't suddenly disappear, it seemed as if WoW didn't realise I had just casted Immolate on the mob and hasn't applied it at all (I'm hit capped).
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As posted in another thread here somewhere, apparently the immolate bug is caused by clipping the final dot tick - re-apply immolate before the final dot tick and it won't register as having been cast.
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12/04/08, 6:39 AM
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Von Kaiser
Orc Warlock
Darksorrow (EU)
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Are you sure the immolate not applying isn't a case of "More powerful spell is already in effect" from previous procced/trinketed casts? I haven't seen any immolate dropping / failure to apply besides the aforementioned.
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12/04/08, 7:58 AM
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadowsong (EU)
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No, it successfully completes its cast but is never applied to the boss. It probably has to do with what was mentioned above.
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12/04/08, 8:13 AM
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Don Flamenco
Blood Elf Paladin
Lightning's Blade (EU)
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Has someone had the immolate bug without the immolate glyph?
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12/04/08, 9:05 AM
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Frostwhisper (EU)
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Originally Posted by DiamondTear
Has someone had the immolate bug without the immolate glyph?
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Has happened to me too, I don't have the Immolate Glyph.
And about the hooray...true 
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12/04/08, 9:24 AM
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Hyjal (EU)
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Originally Posted by dragon12
As posted in another thread here somewhere, apparently the immolate bug is caused by clipping the final dot tick - re-apply immolate before the final dot tick and it won't register as having been cast.
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Or maybe it is something like:
- (Client Side) Cast Immolate: Immolate is already present, just refresh it
~Lag~
- (Server Side) Immolate tic -> That was the last tick, remove the debuff
- (Server Side) Refresh immolate -> Debuff not present, do nothing
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12/04/08, 10:11 AM
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Likes gnomes
Greenilocks
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Galanna
Or maybe it is something like:
- (Client Side) Cast Immolate: Immolate is already present, just refresh it
~Lag~
- (Server Side) Immolate tic -> That was the last tick, remove the debuff
- (Server Side) Refresh immolate -> Debuff not present, do nothing
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I doubt it, because I don't think it does the DD part either.
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12/04/08, 10:25 AM
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Don Flamenco
Orc Warlock
Laughing Skull (EU)
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Anyone encountered any Corruption-problems? Many times I notice that Corruption falls off (or at least my timer says so) when it has 2-3 seconds left, which can be very annoying if you just sent a Haunt on it's way.
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12/04/08, 10:37 AM
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Piston Honda
Undead Warlock
Kil'Jaeden
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Originally Posted by krilz
Anyone encountered any Corruption-problems? Many times I notice that Corruption falls off (or at least my timer says so) when it has 2-3 seconds left, which can be very annoying if you just sent a Haunt on it's way.
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This is normal behavior due to how EA refreshes corruption. When it gets refreshed, it resets the timers but not the ticks. So, if your corruption ticks when it has 2.8 seconds left, it will truncate the dot and it will fall off.
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12/04/08, 12:32 PM
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#24
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Argent Dawn
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The Shadow Embrace issue isn't likely to get fixed soon. They discussed it regarding Ebon Plaguebringer:
There are a few cases where classes or specs with the same debuff don't provide equal benefit to everyone. While we don't want the actual debuff to stack, we also don't want to penalize players for not having the benefit or get into a race for who can get the debuff up first. Unfortunately it's not a trivial problem to resolve or we already would have done so, but it is something we want to get fixed.
In the meantime, if your dps is suffering beyond what you can endure, you do have the option of going Blood or Frost. src
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Of course with Shadow Embrace they could just make it a self buff, but until that happens, the problem will remain. I suspect their answer for warlocks would be much the same - if your dps suffers too much, respec.
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Empathy does not imply approval.
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12/04/08, 3:48 PM
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#25
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Cho'gall
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I don't think they'll be turning SE into a self-buff either, since they're trying to give it more pvp usefulness with the HoT reduction. :|
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