Debuff Cap : Gone.

Shodan30 · 12/03/08, 1:28 PM

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> The Debuff Limit and You

We changed how the game handles debuffs (ie negative state effects on targets) on creatures with Wrath of the Lich King. The old hard cap of 40 debuffs on a target no longer effectively exists. You can now apply way more debuffs to a target without them dropping off before their duration expires. The default WoW UI will not normally display all these debuffs, but they really are still there!

So the warlocks who claim stuff is dropping off, they can be put in with the group of locks that swears CoD Crits!

(well assuming this actually WORKS)

• Nicarras · 12/03/08, 1:30 PM

Nice, finally a post on this. I'd like them to define 'way more'. I'd also like to know if the API to check a debuff on a target works fine still even if its not in the 'first 40' that the WoW Frames show.

Lothiron · 12/03/08, 2:25 PM

This must have changed w/ the actual Wrath go-live, because myself and others were still experiencing debuff dropoffs in 3.0 BC raiding.

Villeraz · 12/03/08, 3:33 PM

I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?

ShinSR71 · 12/03/08, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lothiron

This must have changed w/ the actual Wrath go-live, because myself and others were still experiencing debuff dropoffs in 3.0 BC raiding.

Since the change isn't client side (correct me if I'm wrong), I assume they are able to hot fix this without having to distribute a patch. The change was thus most likely implemented more recent.

Morwen · 12/03/08, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Villeraz

I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?

In my experience Drain Soul dropping isn't because of the debuff limit, it happens even when there are much fewer than 40 debuffs. It never happens when soloing though, so (out of pure hypothesis) there is a hidden trigger from some raid buff or debuff that autocancels it similar to how Health Funnel can autocancel when a pet is full health.

fallenman · 12/03/08, 6:40 PM

Originally Posted by ShinSR71

Since the change isn't client side (correct me if I'm wrong), I assume they are able to hot fix this without having to distribute a patch. The change was thus most likely implemented more recent.

The change went live when the XPAC was released on Nov 13th.

kaib · 12/03/08, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by Villeraz

I've noticed Drain Soul casts spontaneously end, which I attributed to it being knocked off by other debuffs. Is there another effect that would be causing this?

Yeah, I had exactly that multiple times today and when it happened, my unitframes showed me debuffs to be 'capped' at 40, so I figured that's what happened. But if that actually works, what would cause those DS to just end out of nowhere?

Nightcore · 12/03/08, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

Nice, finally a post on this. I'd like them to define 'way more'. I'd also like to know if the API to check a debuff on a target works fine still even if its not in the 'first 40' that the WoW Frames show.

Agreed "way more" is quite inaccurate. Hooray for affliction!

Morrigan · 12/03/08, 8:18 PM

Hooray for affliction!

Unfortunately, they still need to fix shadow embrace before you can say so. It is still bugged so that only the first warlock to apply the debuff can benefit from it.

Mystearica · 12/03/08, 8:22 PM

Now if they could only fix Shadow Embrace & Immolate.

Ipslore · 12/03/08, 8:58 PM

Awesome! Glad to see this finally cleared up definitively =)

P51mus · 12/03/08, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by kaib

Yeah, I had exactly that multiple times today and when it happened, my unitframes showed me debuffs to be 'capped' at 40, so I figured that's what happened. But if that actually works, what would cause those DS to just end out of nowhere?

I've had drain soul drop off before a mob died, with no stuns/knockbacks/interupts canceling it, in 5 man dungeons. So there was no way it was even close to 40 debuffs. Today it happened several times while grouped with a shaman healer, paladin tank, blood DK and a boomkin (I'm currently demonology specced) in heroic Violet Hold.

Kabale · 12/04/08, 5:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mystearica

Now if they could only fix Shadow Embrace & Immolate.

The Immolate comment, I'm assuming you've been having Immolate drop off as well? I've seen this happen quite a few times, and wasn't sure what was causing it, but it wouldn't suddenly disappear, it seemed as if WoW didn't realise I had just casted Immolate on the mob and hasn't applied it at all (I'm hit capped).

• dragon12 · 12/04/08, 5:06 AM

Originally Posted by Kabale

The Immolate comment, I'm assuming you've been having Immolate drop off as well? I've seen this happen quite a few times, and wasn't sure what was causing it, but it wouldn't suddenly disappear, it seemed as if WoW didn't realise I had just casted Immolate on the mob and hasn't applied it at all (I'm hit capped).

As posted in another thread here somewhere, apparently the immolate bug is caused by clipping the final dot tick - re-apply immolate before the final dot tick and it won't register as having been cast.