Which Warlock Pet To Use And When - Page 2

Lillyanne · 12/10/08, 11:41 AM

I thought the trick for Afflcition locks was to use the Inferno on the last minute 12%? of a fight and let him finish off the boss. summoning a doomguard at every hour might be a good move, I supppose he might be easier to keep alive than the felhunter.

vanisher · 12/10/08, 11:46 AM

Has anyone considered this?

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I was reading elsewhere that putting more than 1 point in eradication has serious diminishing returns so thats why only 1 point. Also, no points in felhunter since imp does more DPS (in most fights). Especially if you have the spirit buff from priests up already.

Edit: This isn't the original post regarding eradication, but it has the numbers...

Spell Hit Discussion

tommtomm · 12/10/08, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Vux

In any case, the Imp provides the best PvE dps at the moment, in part due to some bugs with the Felhunter not attacking for extended periods of time. If you look closely at WWS reports, the Shadow Bite frequency is much lower than the time that the Felhunter is in combat. Warlock bugs for the lose. Ah well, time to bust out the Imp for PvE once again just like last expansion.

Is this a definate bug with the Felhunter? I had not seen any info on this before, but I have read a lot of concerns on the WWS site forums that people feel WWS is not working well with the expansion.

• Nicarras · 12/10/08, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lillyanne

I thought the trick for Afflcition locks was to use the Inferno on the last minute 12%? of a fight and let him finish off the boss.

This would be correct. Time it such that hes alive for the last minute the boss is alive.

Ossifrage · 12/10/08, 2:28 PM

If Doom is viable DPS then how about something along the line of... 0/27/40+4
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Sac Imp for the buff, use doomguard to start the fight, pop fel domination pull out infernal for the last minute?

While this will depend a great deal on cooldowns it seems like it would be competitive for max output.

Two Question:
1) Do Doom/Infernal overwrite the buff from sac imp? (I think that I read that Doom Guard will not but that Infernal will.
2) Will Doom/Infernal benefit from Imp Enslave Demon and Unholy Power? (Are the demons enslaved? summoned?)
3) If they do benefit from Imp Enslave would the +10% AS

Emolate · 12/10/08, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by torokokill

Edit: According to recount, my Doomguard did approximately 650dps. However calculating the difference between Recount and StasisCL, you see a 560dps difference.

Do you have a screenshot of the actual breakdown inside of recount when you click the player's name?

That would show us much more information.

Darkstarrz · 12/10/08, 8:03 PM

So I run with another affliction lock in the raid, should i be using my imp due to having a point in MC and him using the felpuppy? Will this produce more dps for me? Still gettin this affliction thing down and trying to maximize my dps as much as possible.

Jaradakar · 12/10/08, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by zerdell

Doomguard is now:

* Guaranteed enslaved for 15 minutes.
* Summonable without killing someone.
* Amazing dps (critting for 1800+)

Well worth using on patchwerk, etc as affliction. Not sure it's worth the loss of your pet buffs as demo/destro.

I've not had a chance to test, but in the old days (BC) you could sac your pet with Demonic Sacrifice and gain the buff and then summon Infernal/Doomguard and have the best of both worlds. Assuming this is still the case, the question would be:

1) Do you need Demonic Sac to make using Infernal or Doomguard with demonology build worth while?

Of course you are correct some talents don't work with non-standard demons. I've not had a chance to test but I plan on respecing to get demonic sac (going to sack a Felguard) and try running with the combination with a doom guard to see what type of dps I can put out.

So from someones comment about Improved Enslave demon, it sounds like both Fel and Doom start off with the enslavement debuff but by having the talent Improved Enslave increases the dps of the special demons, is that true? If it is, I have to agree with one of the posters above, not sure 2 talent points is worth the short up time that you have those demons...

• Nicarras · 12/10/08, 9:13 PM

Originally Posted by Darkstarrz

So I run with another affliction lock in the raid, should i be using my imp due to having a point in MC and him using the felpuppy? Will this produce more dps for me? Still gettin this affliction thing down and trying to maximize my dps as much as possible.

You shouldnt be running 2 aff locks in one raid right now.

BUT, if you are, yeah go ahead and use your Imp.

Darkstarrz · 12/11/08, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Nicarras

You shouldnt be running 2 aff locks in one raid right now.

BUT, if you are, yeah go ahead and use your Imp.

Why is this? Debuff cap gone, any other reason?

Mindaika · 12/11/08, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Darkstarrz

Why is this? Debuff cap gone, any other reason?

Shadow Embrace still isn't stacking properly. Only 1 lock can benefit from it at one time.

zaliisa · 12/11/08, 1:47 AM

This is offtopic, as I cannot create a New thread - but as well as Which Pet When thread, would a "Demonic Circle Ideas" thread be useful in this forum?

It'd be good to share some Circle tips and tricks for Raid encounters, etc.

• dragon12 · 12/11/08, 3:51 AM

Originally Posted by Darkstarrz

Why is this? Debuff cap gone, any other reason?

Shadow Embrace only works for the lock who's first to put it up.

Mystearica · 12/12/08, 5:31 AM

Recently found out that Sarth is not immune to Cripple that the Doomguard can cast. Might be nice if you can keep him alive till Sarth during 3drakes.

Kilmir · 12/12/08, 6:29 AM

Razuvius also gets the Cripple debuff from the Doomguard. We didn't have a log running that run so not sure if it actually made a difference. He still seemed to run as fast as ever though.

A log with using Doomguard on Patchwerk:
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The log is on a free account and a week old already, it might get pushed soon.

Doomguard had 595 dps. Main problem seems to be a missrate of almost 15%.