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12/16/08, 4:45 PM
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#52
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Hellscream
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What a great tool...thanks for the effort in putting it together and keeping it updated and thanks to the community for collaborating to make it better.
One thing I've noticed, though, is that the spreadsheet has gotten really quite complicated. A lot of casual players now use it, with people of varying Excel ability diving in and playing around with the assumptions. Accordingly, I've met a lot of people out there who are worried they aren't setting it up or using it correctly.
I think adding a relatively robust guide for first-time use, either as a sheet in the model or on your website as a FAQ would be really helpful as the community of users continues to grow. I've searched the forums and elsewhere and have really struggled to find a guide that helps the average user get the most out of the spreadsheet.
If this already exists somewhere and is accurate, would someone please link it? I'd write it myself, but I'm not particularly talented at explaining things in simple, intuitive ways...
Cheers--Kruck
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12/16/08, 5:09 PM
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#53
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Dalvengyr (EU)
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Hmm, after a long time waiting for the new spreadsheet by Leulier, I've made my own.
I am not sure if my calculates are correct. After a many tests and measurements i got this one HERE
for my affliction wl (56/0/15) with the "Corruption", "Siphon Life"- and "Curse of Agony"-glyphe.
And today: I can find the spreadsheet here nevertheless i want you to proof it
(I didn't add trinkets, gems, individual talents, potions and some other things, because I found this thread here)
and now i want to know if it it's worth to work on
I only have the german version of excel, i hope it is compatible to the english version...
perhaps this spreadsheet could become its own thread, but i'm not sure
edit: my guildmates realize a little bug with Eradication... i will fix it
-Racheengel 
Last edited by Racheengel : 12/16/08 at 5:35 PM.
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12/16/08, 5:48 PM
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#54
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadow Council
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The spreadsheet is giving me #DIV/0! error's in the dps bonus and +dmg sections for hit rating and haste (other places two but those are the more important sections) but all the other stats are calculating fine.
Running it on latest version of open office.
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12/16/08, 6:00 PM
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#55
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Dalvengyr (EU)
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which version do you have? or which version shall i export my spreadsheet to avoid the DIV/0 error? (i have the german version 2003...)
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12/16/08, 7:06 PM
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#56
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Spirestone
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Is anyone else having trouble w/ the new version of Leuliers's Spreadsheet? I get N/A for all DPS values after loading from the armory...
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12/16/08, 7:24 PM
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#57
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Hellscream
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Originally Posted by Phearbot
Is anyone else having trouble w/ the new version of Leuliers's Spreadsheet? I get N/A for all DPS values after loading from the armory...
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I may be wrong, but I believe this is a common problem with spreadsheets that use iteration. I fixed it by turning spells off on the dps tab, especially corruption...clearing the error out of the calcs...then turning them back on.
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12/16/08, 7:25 PM
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#58
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Proudmoore
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Originally Posted by Phearbot
Is anyone else having trouble w/ the new version of Leuliers's Spreadsheet? I get N/A for all DPS values after loading from the armory...
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I think that's a an issue with the iterative calcs. Here's how I fixed it: Go to the DPS sheet and look for spells with NA against them. Toggle them off and on again and it should clear.
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One gear request - a lot of players I know are still raiding with a few pieces of T6/Sunwell gear. Could those items be added back into the gear list, especially since the checkboxes to include/exclude them are still visible?
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12/16/08, 7:47 PM
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#59
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Lightbringer
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nightfall
Ok I was playing around with your spreadsheet and did see something weird. With my talent mix and gear it listed 4579 dps with night fall and glyph of corruption. If I dropped night fall and did not get anything to replace it my listed dps would go up to 4594. If I dropped the glyph but kept nightfall it would go down to 4550. If I dropped both night fall and the glyph it would go down to 4521.
So it may be weighting the glyph more that 2/2 in nightfall. And 2/2 in nightfall + glyph = dps loss.
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12/16/08, 8:36 PM
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#60
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Spirestone
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Originally Posted by Kruck-US
I may be wrong, but I believe this is a common problem with spreadsheets that use iteration. I fixed it by turning spells off on the dps tab, especially corruption...clearing the error out of the calcs...then turning them back on.
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Didn't fix it  I literately had to turn every spell off to clear the N/A, turning them back on just gave me the error again. I have had no problems with earlier versions of the spreadsheet...
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12/17/08, 3:54 AM
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#61
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadow Council
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Originally Posted by Seir
The spreadsheet is giving me #DIV/0! error's in the dps bonus and +dmg sections for hit rating and haste (other places two but those are the more important sections) but all the other stats are calculating fine.
Running it on latest version of open office.
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fixed by disabling then re-enabling all spell fields.
also found a bug - Demonic Empowerment is lowering incinerate damage, I can only guess the spreadsheet is still counting it as though it triggers gcd.
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12/17/08, 10:04 AM
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#62
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Aszune (EU)
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Originally Posted by Phearbot
Is anyone else having trouble w/ the new version of Leuliers's Spreadsheet? I get N/A for all DPS values after loading from the armory...
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I found that the gear import didn't recognise my Meta gem (using +25/+run speed) and as a result was returning a #N/A value for that cell (G9), which cascaded into all the other DPS calculations. Changing the Meta to the equivalent Ember gem fixed the problem, and I need to replace that Meta anyways
Regarding the Talents sheet: The 'Destro Imp Incinerate' build seems to be short of a few points, its 0/3/56 as far as I can tell when it should be 2/13/56(or thereabouts). On a minor almost cosmetic point it might be worthwhile setting up the 'load from talents' template to use Immolate and Corruption as standard, as I suspect they'll be a DPS increase for most other builds and should be encouraged.
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12/17/08, 10:55 AM
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#63
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Von Kaiser
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Is Lightweave Embroidery calculated? I see it is listed as a back enchant but it causes no change in DPS when I use it. So I checked it out on the enchants tab and see no data there for it. It must make some change in DPS even if its very small. This is easy for me to get so trying to decide whether or not its useful or if I need to round up mats for the haste enchant instead.
Also can Fire Seed be added to the consumables area like where flamecap is. I'd add it myself but not sure how to calculate its worth. It's 200 spellpower for 10 secs and makes you more vulnerable to magic.
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12/17/08, 11:04 AM
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#64
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Von Kaiser
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Talents sheet - Didn't import Imp Demonic Tactics correctly. I have 3 points but it only showed as me having 2.
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12/17/08, 11:05 AM
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#65
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by Rozzenwyn
Also can Fire Seed be added to the consumables area like where flamecap is. I'd add it myself but not sure how to calculate its worth. It's 200 spellpower for 10 secs and makes you more vulnerable to magic.
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With a 1 minute cooldown, making it pretty good 
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12/18/08, 10:33 AM
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#67
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Glass Joe
Tauren Warrior
Laughing Skull (EU)
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Great spreadsheet!
But could you do something about the pet buffs? especially melee buffs to the felguard. it can be hard to find out exactly how much crit/haste/AP get gets from buffs on my own.
Thx
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12/18/08, 2:36 PM
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#68
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Baked Potato
Gnome Death Knight
Bloodhoof
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I'm sure this has come up before, but the spreadsheet doesn't operate properly in Mac Excel. When opening, it generates an error about renaming cells (which it does), and then breaks everything.
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12/18/08, 3:46 PM
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#69
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Glass Joe
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Is there anyone else besides me who has inaccurate crit ratings? On the DPS tab, my total crit % is listed as 18.54%. My character only has 14.66%. I have a total of 387 listed on the Gear_Buffs tab, no raid buffs/consumables, and no talent points invested into +crit.
I had this problem with v303e, but with v303g, the crit % got inflated even more. What's going on?
Last edited by imtsensational : 12/18/08 at 4:01 PM.
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12/18/08, 10:17 PM
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#70
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by imtsensational
Is there anyone else besides me who has inaccurate crit ratings? On the DPS tab, my total crit % is listed as 18.54%. My character only has 14.66%. I have a total of 387 listed on the Gear_Buffs tab, no raid buffs/consumables, and no talent points invested into +crit.
I had this problem with v303e, but with v303g, the crit % got inflated even more. What's going on?
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I've noticed this as well, I believe the intellect to crit % ratio is wrong. On my character screen 938 intellect is giving me 7.33% crit while the spreadsheet is calculating it to be 11.439%. So 938/7.33 = 127.9673 therefore the amount of crit% your int gives you should be about intellect/127.9673.
Last edited by Aedius : 12/18/08 at 10:24 PM.
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12/19/08, 10:25 AM
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#71
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Mindaika
I'm sure this has come up before, but the spreadsheet doesn't operate properly in Mac Excel. When opening, it generates an error about renaming cells (which it does), and then breaks everything.
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Indeed. Here is the error:

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12/19/08, 2:13 PM
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#72
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Glass Joe
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Thanks for the spreadsheet... since I cant delete my post.
Last edited by Nokbane : 12/19/08 at 2:28 PM.
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12/19/08, 2:32 PM
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#73
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Von Kaiser
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New version, you know the drill
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12/19/08, 3:21 PM
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#74
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Von Kaiser
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I'm currently working on getting the Imp pet dps correct but I need some help. According to wowhead, the rank 9 firebolt does 199-223 dmg. According to my own tooltip with 0 talent pts spent, it does 213-239. And using the L80 dummy and letting the imp go to town, I see a range of 224-250. I'm wearing 0 gear so there should be no boost to his dmg. Anyone else able to duplicate these results or have a reason why I would be seeing these results?
Thanks!
Forgot I'm an orc so the difference between observed and tooltip is the orc racial. However I'm still curious whether or not everyone else has a tooltip of 213-239 for their imp firebolt spell (with no talents). In which case wowhead is simply wrong. Or do some people have the same tooltip as wowhead in which case, why is mine different.
Last edited by Bakka : 12/19/08 at 3:37 PM.
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12/19/08, 3:28 PM
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#75
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Bakka
I'm currently working on getting the Imp pet dps correct but I need some help. According to wowhead, the rank 9 firebolt does 199-223 dmg. According to my own tooltip with 0 talent pts spent, it does 213-239. And using the L80 dummy and letting the imp go to town, I see a range of 224-250. I'm wearing 0 gear so there should be no boost to his dmg. Anyone else able to duplicate these results or have a reason why I would be seeing these results?
Thanks!
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Orc racial and/or glyphs possibly.
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