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12/15/08, 2:10 PM
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#26
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Scarlet Crusade
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Originally Posted by Medieval
Has anyone else had problems with the imp going mad and pulling bosses ( although he's on passive/defensive)?
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I've noticed this with my imp, specifically on the Gothik fight. As the adds spawn, he just starts casting even before the suckers have started moving, so he was basically tanking one for a short while (usually, resulting in his death). I noticed it on defensive, but not passive.
For reference, I do have the imp glyph.
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12/15/08, 3:02 PM
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#27
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Piston Honda
Undead Warlock
Steamwheedle Cartel
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I don't think that's a bug. My guess would be that on defensive, the imp only starts to attack once you get in a mob's threat table. With normal mobs, this usually means once you cast something on it. But bosses, I believe, automatically put everyone in the raid in their threat table, so if the pet is on defensive, it's going to attack. Easy solution, of course, is to keep it on passive.
Or I may be completely wrong.
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12/15/08, 3:25 PM
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#28
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warlock
Gorgonnash (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kilmir
Is it confirmed that Corruption is rolled now? I know we had a bug initially where a Haunt refreshed Corruption was recast with the old modifier of 96%. It seemed obvious that they would only fix the modifier and not the recasting of Corr on refresh.
I can't say much about the "A more powerful spell is already active" effect, though I can imagine that a previous one was cast with a trinket proc which you don't have on the recast. That would mean that percentage modifiers like Thadius' charges aren't calculated for the power comparison. That would be a bug then.
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Well, I did a few tests and this is how it works:
- Debuffs on the mob (specifically SE, Haunt, CoE) are calculated EVERY tick, so you get instant benefit when these are put on after your dots.
- +spellpower effects are calculated every time Corruption is refreshed, either directly or by Haunt, i.e. they do not "roll".
- You can not manually refresh a Corruption that was cast with a higher spell power value, which is the only thing that produces the "a more powerful spell is already active" message.
- +%damage effects (this includes Ferocious Inspiration as well as the Thaddius/Malygos buffs) are only calculated, when manually casting/refreshing the dot, NOT when Corr is refreshed by Haunt. That means you have to refresh your Corr on Thaddius as soon as you get your charges. If you can't, that's probably because you got a +spellpower trinket proc at the beginning.
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12/15/08, 6:06 PM
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#29
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadow Council
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Originally Posted by Tinava
I've noticed this with my imp, specifically on the Gothik fight. As the adds spawn, he just starts casting even before the suckers have started moving, so he was basically tanking one for a short while (usually, resulting in his death). I noticed it on defensive, but not passive.
For reference, I do have the imp glyph.
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I've had this happen on heigan, my imp pulled heigan and we wiped, after the rez i resummoned him and he was on defensive.
He's only ever done this once so far though.
Not sure if that's what you mean.
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12/16/08, 9:52 AM
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#30
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Scarlet Crusade
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Originally Posted by Seir
I've had this happen on heigan, my imp pulled heigan and we wiped, after the rez i resummoned him and he was on defensive.
He's only ever done this once so far though.
Not sure if that's what you mean.
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I haven't had this happen on Heigan, it sounds like a different situation you are describing. With Gothik, on defensive, the imp will just autoattack the spawns as they pop up, regardless of whether I'm attacking a different one or if the previous wave is dead already. His fast-cast firebolt tends to hit before the adds get to the tank, which generally can get him killed.
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12/16/08, 3:17 PM
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#31
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Dragonblight
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Fel Armor
While I'm not sure if I would classify this as a bug, but a number of times I have briefly pulled aggro from the tank after he has pulled a pack of mobs with a ranged attack. Seeing as i am only standing there doing absolutely nothing when this happens, i can only assume that the healing effect of Fel Armor is generating healing threat.
While admittedly this has not caused a wipe since tanks are on the ball and it doesn't take much threat to pull them back, isn't this just an unnecessary complication caused by a passive spell on a player?
Last edited by deadzepplin : 12/16/08 at 4:48 PM.
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12/16/08, 5:02 PM
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#32
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probably drunk
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You're missing a huge bug on your list.
While I have not tested it very recently, the last patch introduced a bug with Corruption being refreshed by Everlasting Affliction. When EA refreshes corruption, it reverts the base coefficient from 120% back to the original 93.6%. It's actually a pretty huge bug in terms of DPS-loss. This should definitely be on the list.
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3. Corruption: At times, even while Haunt is on the target, people are noticing Corr falling off the target for what seems to be no reason at all. This ends up having the same implications as the Immolate bug from above.
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This isn't actually a bug. That's how EA works with corruption. If the duration of the spell is not long enough to get in another tick, it will truncate the spell. So, for example, if corruption ticks with 2.8 seconds left, it can't have another tick before expiring, so the DoT simply falls off.
Last edited by fallenman : 12/16/08 at 5:07 PM.
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12/16/08, 6:59 PM
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#33
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Glass Joe
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I haven't seen discussion on pet pathing, but it seems that pet pathing has reverted to where it was several patches before expansion. Specifically, when resolving drop offs (such as Gluth's sewer pipe entry or Thaddius' platform jump), pets will try to negotiate a walkable path rather than just drop with their owners.
This was fixed many, many patches ago but appears to have been broken again.
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12/16/08, 9:06 PM
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#34
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Shadow Council
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instant cast incinerates appear to use up a backdraft charge
I'd guess instant shadowbolts do also.
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12/16/08, 10:55 PM
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#35
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Piston Honda
Murkle
Orc Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Seir
instant cast incinerates appear to use up a backdraft charge
I'd guess instant shadowbolts do also.
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This probably isn't a bug. Just because it can't reduce the cast time further doesn't mean it should skip backdraft being applied to that spell.
Last edited by Murkle : 12/16/08 at 11:06 PM.
Reason: grammar
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12/17/08, 1:27 AM
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#36
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Bald Bull
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Next patch, Backdraft is supposed to reduce the GCD as well. When that becomes the case, an instant Incinerate will still derive some benefit from Backlash, effectively 'fixing' the problem. It's sub-optimal use I suppose, but not a waste, and there are situations where you would want that to be the effect anyways. Currently, I would consider that not working as intended but expect no intermediate fix with the new change coming in soon.
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12/17/08, 6:22 AM
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#37
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Bonechewer
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Originally Posted by Nap
I haven't seen discussion on pet pathing, but it seems that pet pathing has reverted to where it was several patches before expansion. Specifically, when resolving drop offs (such as Gluth's sewer pipe entry or Thaddius' platform jump), pets will try to negotiate a walkable path rather than just drop with their owners.
This was fixed many, many patches ago but appears to have been broken again.
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I've had a lot of mixed luck with this. Sometimes my pet jumps down with me (seemed to work in Gun'drak), but in other places, like Naxxaramas, my pet completely fails.
So, I wouldn't say it's completely broken, but instead that it was probably never completely fixed to start with.
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12/17/08, 8:30 AM
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#38
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Arathor (EU)
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Originally Posted by Nap
I haven't seen discussion on pet pathing, but it seems that pet pathing has reverted to where it was several patches before expansion. Specifically, when resolving drop offs (such as Gluth's sewer pipe entry or Thaddius' platform jump), pets will try to negotiate a walkable path rather than just drop with their owners.
This was fixed many, many patches ago but appears to have been broken again.
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Noticed that too, though in my case at Gluth's when i jump down i don't see my felguard.After i put it on passive and then attack again it appears next to me.
On Thaddius jump i always need to resummon it.
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12/17/08, 8:32 AM
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#39
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Twisting Nether (EU)
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What I do on those fights is running away from the pet (around 30-35 yards) then press Follow again and it respawns next to me.
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12/17/08, 3:21 PM
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#40
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Kil'Jaeden
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I noticed a spew of blue posts on the official ptr forums, I guess we should make posts there (1 post per bug), probably after verifying that the bugs still exist on the PTR.
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12/17/08, 6:22 PM
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#41
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Glass Joe
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Just tested the Shadow Embrace bug on the 3.0.8 PTR and the issue still exists.
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12/17/08, 9:24 PM
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#42
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warlock
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by bambatsa
Noticed that too, though in my case at Gluth's when i jump down i don't see my felguard.After i put it on passive and then attack again it appears next to me.
On Thaddius jump i always need to resummon it.
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It works for me when I use the Voidwalker, but nothing else. Really strange and extremely annoying on Gluth/Thaddius.
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12/18/08, 10:23 PM
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#43
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Kil'Jaeden
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12/19/08, 1:13 AM
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#44
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Curunarth
I had the same problem on Krik'thir in Azjol-Nerub. After a given amount of time the next watcher-group seems to automatically focus a random(?) target. If you are the target and your pet is on defensive, it will attack the group. This will definitively not happen, if you switch your pet to passive.
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This has not been my experience. I've had 2 cases where my imp was re-set to Aggressive after dying to one of the 3 packs in first boss of Azjol-Nerub. I know this because my default set up is always passive to all my pets at all times. I send my pet in using ctrl-1, so there's no chance of miss-clicking during a fight that accidentally re-sets to Aggressive. I am afflic spec with no glyphs on pets.
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12/19/08, 2:48 PM
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#45
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by bambatsa
Noticed that too, though in my case at Gluth's when i jump down i don't see my felguard.After i put it on passive and then attack again it appears next to me.
On Thaddius jump i always need to resummon it.
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Agreed...works ok on gluth, but i have to resummon on thaddius also...
probably best to just dismiss him, and then resummon him as soon as you stack up in front of thadd
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12/19/08, 2:51 PM
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#46
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Scarlet Crusade
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Originally Posted by oresteez
probably best to just dismiss him, and then resummon him as soon as you stack up in front of thadd
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Why do you bother dismissing? Just resummon.
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12/19/08, 3:20 PM
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#47
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Tinava
Why do you bother dismissing? Just resummon.
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Buffs are preserved when you dismiss & resummon.
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12/19/08, 3:23 PM
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#48
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Piston Honda
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That's all well and good if you have fel dom, but otherwise I'm not wasting 8-10s resummoning a pet that got dismissed because pathing is broken...
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12/19/08, 3:46 PM
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#49
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Akj
Buffs are preserved when you dismiss & resummon.
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Buffs are also preserved when you just re-summon. I believe your pet has to actually die to lose it's buffs/debuffs.
Originally Posted by Nicarras
That's all well and good if you have fel dom, but otherwise I'm not wasting 8-10s resummoning a pet that got dismissed because pathing is broken...
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I've gotten into the habit of just jumping over to Thaddius before the first two mobs die so that I have plenty of time to re-summon before Thaddius activates.
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12/19/08, 4:01 PM
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#50
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Glass Joe
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When in demon form the Paladin spell Turn Evil is not removed by Will of the Forsaken.
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