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02/05/09, 11:05 AM
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Glass Joe
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Upcoming Class Changes
# mproved Shadow Bolt – this talent now provides a 5% spell critical strike buff (similar to Improved Scorch).
# Improved Soul Leech – this talent now provides Replenishment (similar to shadow priests)
# Drain Soul now has a chance to produce Soul Shards even if the target doesn’t die.
# Siphon Life no longer as an active ability but the talent grants the old Siphon Life effect to Corruption.
# Curse of Recklessness and Curse of Weakness have been combined into one spell
# Consume Shadows – this Voidwalker ability is no longer channeled but has a cooldown.
# Several other warlock talents have had their ranks reduced, their effects changed or removed. This list includes but is not limited to Demonic Empathy, Shadow Embrace, Eradication, Suppression, and Pandemic.
# Additional new talents have been added.
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World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Upcoming Class Change Highlights (Part 2)
I'm curious on everyone's thoughts about the announced changes? I'll be more intrigued to see what new talents are being created. I do like the idea of combining spells such as SL/Corruption and CoR/CoW
Edit: Fixed link.
Last edited by bloodurst : 02/05/09 at 1:14 PM.
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"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without a loss of enthusiasm."
-Sir Winston Churchill
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02/05/09, 11:12 AM
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Glass Joe
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All of these changes, especially adding Replenishment to Imp Soul Leach and combining SL and Corruption are very exciting. I would, however like to see more Destro changes, such as making F&B a more attractive talent, or at least reducing the 5-talent point investment for such a lack-luster talent so high on the tree.
I'm sure we are all eagerly awaiting more detailed information.
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02/05/09, 11:19 AM
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Scarlet Crusade
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The Imp Shadow Bolt change is defniitely a nice one, and thus, another reason to have an afflock in your raid.
I am intrigued by the drain soul change...I hope the proc rate isn't terrible. And really, how would that all work anyway? The only spec that uses DS in any kind of rotation is affliction.
I, too, want to see the additional talents, and hopefully in there is a F&B fix to make it more attractive. If there's no F&B fix, I can see ISL being the preferred filler for points in Destro to get down to CB.
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02/05/09, 11:21 AM
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Von Kaiser
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edit: I changed my mind about my post.
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02/05/09, 11:23 AM
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Von Kaiser
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So does this mean that reducing the AP of melee in PvP now grants them immunity to fear? That would be the fix we have been waiting for...
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02/05/09, 11:23 AM
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Sylvanas (EU)
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Originally Posted by oresteez
"Drain Soul now has a chance to produce Soul Shards even if the target doesn’t die."
This one kind of worries me. Now that Drain soul is our filler for 25% of the fight, can you imagine how many soul shards we are going to have in our bags? We are going to constantly have to remember to delete shards so the bags aren't full.
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That would make, not break, my day.
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02/05/09, 11:30 AM
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Piston Honda
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ISB seems like an odd choice to add the scorch debuff. Does this mean the old effect has been removed?
Does the drain Soul change mean that we have a chance to get shards off mobs regardless of level?
Good to see that there are changes to eradication, shadow embrace, suppression, demonic empathy and I hope that haunt is also in that list.
Cant wait to get more info about the new talents & other changes.
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02/05/09, 11:35 AM
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The Chairmaker
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What's your source for the warlock changes? The post you linked to just lists the lock changes as "coming soon".
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02/05/09, 11:36 AM
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I find your lack of faith disturbing
Kroot
Orc Death Knight
No WoW Account
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Three steps to a better EJB experience: Step One, Step Two, Step Three
And remember:
Originally Posted by Zeroblack
The Ignore functionality doesn't work if you guys keep quoting him.
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02/05/09, 11:40 AM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Moon Guard
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Someone beat me to posting the link, bah.
Anyway, I don't think the change to SB really changes much; it now gives us a 5% crit rating buff of some sort for a limited amount of time. DoTs obviously can't crit sans perhaps Haunt and Immolate applications, which don't count for much on meters. Shame.
I highly doubt that we will get shards, even during channeling Drain Soul, off of mobs that are too low of level. It isn't something in the mechanic of the spell, and I'm going to stand by that until Blizzard says something to the contrary.
I'd really like to know what they exactly changed in Eradication and Suppression, though. Hopefully they removed the diminishing returns in Eradication so it's worth all 3 points again.
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02/05/09, 11:44 AM
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Turalyon (EU)
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Seems likely that they will buff pandemic to make the crit buff from the new imp sb wortwhile.
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02/05/09, 11:44 AM
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Bald Bull
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Originally Posted by Southy
That would make, not break, my day.
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I use a macro to trash all but 28 soul shards (still using a small soul bag).
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Originally Posted by Zeln
I'm pretty sure the only reason you're on this planet is the phone rang and startled your dad.
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02/05/09, 12:00 PM
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The Chairmaker
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Originally Posted by Nisarie
Anyway, I don't think the change to SB really changes much; it now gives us a 5% crit rating buff of some sort for a limited amount of time. DoTs obviously can't crit sans perhaps Haunt and Immolate applications, which don't count for much on meters. Shame.
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It's not a buff to ourselves, it's a debuff on the target, like imp scorch. Which makes me think one of the upcoming mage changes will be to reduce the imp scorch bonus to 5% from 10% - it wouldn't make much sense for us to have a similar raid buff that was only half as good as theirs. It's also pretty obvious that 10% crit from a single raid buff was a bit unbalanced.
The interesting point here is that even though affliction locks currently take ISB, they probably won't in the future because they can't be relied on to keep the debuff up when the boss is below 25%. This leaves deep demo as the only viable "ISB raid bitch" spec, so let's hope the demonic empathy change turns out to be a nice buff.
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02/05/09, 12:04 PM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Moon Guard
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Originally Posted by Zakalwe
It's not a buff to ourselves, it's a debuff on the target, like imp scorch. Which makes me think one of the upcoming mage changes will be to reduce the imp scorch bonus to 5% from 10% - it wouldn't make much sense for us to have a similar raid buff that was only half as good as theirs. It's also pretty obvious that 10% crit from a single raid buff was a bit unbalanced.
The interesting point here is that even though affliction locks currently take ISB, they probably won't in the future because they can't be relied on to keep the debuff up when the boss is below 25%. This leaves deep demo as the only viable "ISB raid bitch" spec, so let's hope the demonic empathy change turns out to be a nice buff.
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Ah, alright, I didn't realize that for some reason. I thought it would be the same as the self-buff that ISB currently gives. 'scuse me, going to go drink some more coffee.
In the hopes of actually making this post semi-relevant, I can't see them taking away the imp scorch bonus since most Aff warlocks won't be taking it. Like you said, sub-25% that buff won't be applied anymore, and a popular raiding spec will tend not to even take the talent. Why reduce it?
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02/05/09, 12:05 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Improved Soul Leech – this talent now provides Replenishment (similar to shadow priests)
So we going to be the 4th class to be able to provide replenishment or is this just going to be a self replenishment making improved SL better?
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02/05/09, 12:07 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Are we assuming that the Siphon Life/Corruption roll up will still provide an additional affliction debuff to not hinder Soul Siphon's damage?
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02/05/09, 12:18 PM
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
The Maelstrom (EU)
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These changes look nice, I especially like the way Blizzard is handling the mentioned upcoming affliction simplification by merging siphon life with corruption. That removes a DoT from the rotation completely while retaining the same damage. I was afraid they would make it a no-brainer specc like destruction during TBC.
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02/05/09, 12:24 PM
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Turalyon (EU)
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Originally Posted by NinjaSquirrel
Are we assuming that the Siphon Life/Corruption roll up will still provide an additional affliction debuff to not hinder Soul Siphon's damage?
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I assume Siphon Life will stay as a dot that just tags along Corruption like Ebon Plague/Crypt Fever does for DK's.
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02/05/09, 12:26 PM
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Glass Joe
Human Warlock
Darksorrow (EU)
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Can't really get excited or dejected by these changes without further explanation and context really.
ISB looks to be somewhat useless in that there's usually a fire mage for scorch, 10% > 5% and since afflic are the only (current) build using SB fillers it won't be up under 25% unless you purposely nerf damage to reapply it or get a lucky nightfall proc.
Combining corruption and SL is their great idea for simplifying afflic rotation? Mkay. Is only useful if corruption does extra damage to compensate for the loss of SL either through corruption itself or a pandemic-like extra. Does that also mean we're losing 1 DoT per afflic warlock when we start DSing too? Mind if they make pandemic affect all DoTs that make up for the damage lost.
Need moar info =P
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02/05/09, 12:30 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Krypto1
These changes look nice, I especially like the way Blizzard is handling the mentioned upcoming affliction simplification by merging siphon life with corruption. That removes a DoT from the rotation completely while retaining the same damage. I was afraid they would make it a no-brainer specc like destruction during TBC.
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The way it reads it will be a slight damage hit (same as just dropping SL from your rotation), but we will get to keep the healing portion. Probably not going to be 100% of damage done though, as that would have some pretty major pvp consequences.
ISB change will be nice for affliction since that makes it an easy skip now for 25man raiding (where having a mage can be assumed), but a possible pickup for 10 mans. Hopefully incinerate gets added to it so fire-destro can provide the debuff as well.
@emolate: What macro do you use to destroy shards? The one I had stopped working, and I haven't seen another one floating around.
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02/05/09, 12:33 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Callik
Can't really get excited or dejected by these changes without further explanation and context really.
ISB looks to be somewhat useless in that there's usually a fire mage for scorch, 10% > 5% and since afflic are the only (current) build using SB fillers it won't be up under 25% unless you purposely nerf damage to reapply it or get a lucky nightfall proc.
Combining corruption and SL is their great idea for simplifying afflic rotation? Mkay. Is only useful if corruption does extra damage to compensate for the loss of SL either through corruption itself or a pandemic-like extra. Does that also mean we're losing 1 DoT per afflic warlock when we start DSing too? Mind if they make pandemic affect all DoTs that make up for the damage lost.
Need moar info =P
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Blizz stated that the imp. Scorch debuff was too powerful, so its pretty given that it will be decreased to 5%.
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02/05/09, 12:34 PM
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Von Kaiser
Undead Warlock
Arygos (EU)
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About that soulshard issue that some see:
/run i="Soulshard"d=GetItemCount(i)-28 for x=0,4 do for y=1,GetContainerNumSlots(x) do if (d>0) then l=GetContainerItemLink(x,y) if l and GetItemInfo(l)==i then PickupContainerItem(x,y) DeleteCursorItem() d=d-1 end end end end
Thats the macro I use. Saves 28 shards and destroys all above 28. Just incase some ppl dont have it yet.
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I say destroy the cosmos and ask questions later!
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02/05/09, 12:36 PM
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Dunemaul (EU)
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This changes raises some questions,
. Improved shadowbolt, will the 5% be added to the existing effect or replace it? If is a replacement it will mean a DPS reduction for affliction locks, not only that but below 25% it will be impossible to keep it on, so is basically making the talent useless for afflction,
. Siphon Life, will corruption just give life back en casted? If that is the case will corruption damage be improved with the talent? This will also make Drain soul worse due to one less debuff. The only way for this to not be a DPS nerf will be to make corruption apply the siphon life dot, that way there would be no need to increase corruption damage, and in PvP it would still be 2 debuffs to dispell. This would require Haunt to refresh the siphon life also.
. CoR and CoW no one uses and no one will start using them anyway, hopefully they remove the fear immunity from it or it will have negative pvp effects.
It is a shame that it seems they are not planning to change either to the curses or soulshards mechanics.
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