Morrigan

Yes it is, see: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Demo Warlock - Fel Armor bug?
They have fixed spirit contribution issues with pet scaling (afaik), but not this.

Maybe you guys from the US should make a thread about it on the PTR forums and keep it bumped, there is one on the EU forums but I don't think the devs even read there...

 

dropwhat

This should def be addressed. Considering that 12 seconds if you catch a trinket proc with your raiding damage. you could be giving somewhere around 400-500 spell damage for 12 seconds would be very nice.

 

Morrigan

Btw, DP doesn't benefit from the spell power gained through the new Life Tap glyph either Could have made demo really interesting, keeping the LT buff up by tapping every 20 secs to support the raid, even if it turned out to be a small personal dps loss.

 

Ankou

Has that been raised as a bug yet? I can see a reason why a trink would count but life tap wouldn't.

 

trangoul

Did they fix the spirit part of fel armor yet? If not than I assume its the same exact problem with fel armor spirit contribution not counting.

 

Ankou

Sigh your right they have not fixed that and the mechanics are most like linked to everything to do with spirit.

 

Morbain

Regarding the comment about the dynamic nature of the buff... Am I correct in assuming that the amount of SP gained from DP is based on the amount of SP you have at the time it procs? Meaning, if you pop trinkets (or get trinket procs), then DP has to proc (pet has to crit) during that time in order for the raid's DP buff to be affected?

Also, is there any problem with overriding the DP buff with one that is lower SP value? ie. a problem with "a more powerful spell is already active" or similar situation.

If nobody has an answer I'll try to test it myself and post later, I haven't really started messing with it yet on the PTR.

 

Ankou

you are correct that the amount of SP gained from DP is based on the amount of SP you have at the time it procs. Given the following bugs:

-DP does no take into account the spirit portion of SP gained from Felarmor
-Does not take into account the SP gained from life tap glyph.

I do not know if a strong DP will over write a weaker one, but I know it will over write the totem.

 

turturin

It does. The previous value of the buff is over-written every time the pet crits and refreshes the buff.

 

Dotdot

I started a thread on the PTR forums, if you have a US account please bump/reply to this thread, maybe if it gets enough attention from the community the devs will look in to it.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [BUG] Demonic Pact

 

Steelfury

Although I've stated the issues in a more simplistic manner, I had created a thread earlier today and have already gotten a blue's response (which was surprisingly fast). I also realized that in hurrying I wrote Dark Pact instead of Demonic Pact -_-, hopefully the dev's read between the lines.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [Bug] Dark Pact

 

Woonz

It is important to note that this spec scales with gear. The better the gear the better it performs. Does it do as well as Affliction or any other of the cookie cutter spec? NO. But it does enough output to consider having DP provided your raid make-up will greatly benefit from it.


I think the real question here is not each individual casters gain. Since it's a raid buff the actual gain should be based on the number of casters (DPS/Healers) in the raid. Also, it will scale better for the raid if your core members are casters. Less of an effect with say 8 casters and more of an effect with 12. It is important to note also that even if you have a DP lock in your raid the Elemental Shamen will still need to drop his totem. DP is not a replacement for an Elemental Shamen even if the lock has 5000 Spell Power and since not all fights are Patchwerk you can see what I am hinting at. I prefer to look at DP as a Bonus.

If I lose 300-400DPS because of my spec but the raid gains 1200-1500DPS and we also gain 600-1200HPS I figure it's worth it.


Sorry if any of this has been mentioned, I do not have time to read the entire thread at the moment.

 

Morrigan

Well, the funny thing is... you are actually right, Dark Pact also doesn't scale correctly from the spell power gained through spirit (not that it mattered).
They seriously should get their stuff together, seeing that even things like Soul Siphon's effect on drains seem to have problems with spirit scaling, which is really, REALLY odd, and in case of DP, this bugged behaviour completely destroys the appeal of a potentially very interesting talent/build.

 

TheRabidSniper

Demonic Pact does NOT calculate buff based on current Spellpower

It *used* to, but does not now, on the current PTR build.
NONE of the following are taken into account:

• SPI-based SP bonus from Fel Armor
• SP gained from Life Tap (glyphed)
• Lightweave Enchant (+250 SP)
• iCD-based Trinket procs (tested with both Sundial of the Exiled and Forge Ember)
• Use-based Trinket procs (tested with Mark of the War Prisoner)

Across ALL of these, the amount of SP gained was the exact same, no matter which ones were up, over any combination of buffs. Right now, it is purely based off of current, static Spellpower; i.e., SP gained from gear, enchants, flask, food.

Because of this, in my mix of 10/25-man gear (mostly 10man), I am ONLY giving 207 SP, self-buffed.



Edit: I just realized I am not sure whether Demonic Knowledge is being taken into account, though I would assume so; I just didn't bother verifying the numbers.

Also, it would be interesting to test whether DP would calculate off of totem-enhanced numbers. I.e., if FTT or ToW are up, will DP numbers be inflated? People say they don't stack, but will the one be boosted by the other?

 

• Zakalwe

Is this on the PTR, or on live? And does it include demonic knowledge? And the normal spell power component of fel armor?

 

TheRabidSniper

On PTR. I haven't run with DP on Live in a few months, so I'm not sure what it's like on Live currently.

 

TheRabidSniper

Just checked the official PTR forums. There are a few threads floating around about DP; none with blue responses. The most recent one, the last post has a Ele shammy saying he loses about 500 personal DPS by not dropping a fire DPS totem; I think I'd take that number with a grain of salt, but still...

 

Woonz

Why is he not still dropping his totem? Like I've said before, DP is NOT a replacement for the Elemental Sham's totem, but rather a bonus. With movement, pet micro-management, RNG and other random factors he is doing a huge disservice to his raid even if you have a DP lock.

 

TheRabidSniper

I assume because ToW is a fire totem, and therefore he can't drop a fire DPS totem? =o

Maybe I don't understand your point. =x

 

Woonz

Sorry, you busted me trying to get my thought out to quickly.

What I mean is....Shamen should still be dropping SP totem. I tossed in Elemental in there in the heat of thought. I think I've been doing that in a few posts actually. Must the the interrelation of Elemental Shamen and DPS. Anyway, thanks for making me aware and I will now be more conscious of my wording.

 

Morrigan

You must be mistaken, I just tried to confirm this but it isn't true. It still takes trinket spell power procs/uses into account (I'm not a tailor so I can't test the cloak enchant though).

 

TheRabidSniper

Are you certain? I tested this, letting them proc, then watching the numbers after my Felguard crit, comparing them and figuring out how much Spellpower Demonic Pact was giving me. It was always 207. I thought at one point I had gotten 208, but I wasn't sure if I had written down incorrect values.

I'll have to get back on the PTR later tonight...

 

TheRabidSniper

Screw it, testing it now... still have an hour before I have to be in to work...


Fel Armor only, sitting at 2100 SP.
Summon Felguard, Demonic Knowledge goes live: 2298
Let him crit: 2505 (difference 207)

Spam-cast Searing Pain 'til Lightweave goes live: 2755
He crits again while DP and Lightweave are up: 2780 (difference 232)
So it is taking into account Lightweave right now. I wonder if they hotfixed it, server-side?

Checking other buffs..
4pT7: 2415
Felguard crits: 2622 (difference 207)
Confirmation that SPI-based portion of Fel Armor is not being taken into account.

Popping Mark of the War Prisoner: 2649
Felguard crits: 2886 (difference 237)
Thank goodness, it is taking into account trinkets and procs.

Life Tap glyph: 2524
Felguard crits: 2731 (difference 207)
So the SP gain from Glyph of Life Tap doesn't count... which seems odd.


All buffs on, Felguard crits: 3624 (difference 387)
So it's not as bad as I figured, though the Glyph of Life Tap seems much less enticing, at least at the moment.


Edit: forgot about the Sundial of the Exiled..
Spam Searing Pain 'til it goes live: 2888
Felguard crits: 3154 (difference 266)

 

AgulaDX

Thanks for this thread, answered a ton of questions.

 

Morrigan

They finally changed something in build 9722:
Demonic Pact now scales with Spirit through Fel Armor, but only with the base 30% of it, even if specced for Demonic Aegis (should be 39%).

Glyph of Life Tap still doesn't work, though.