Warlocomotif

2xT9 also effects regular Felguard melee swings.

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seraphthrone

Felguard's melee swing should be at about 35% crit rate assuming I have 30% crit.
It has about 5% base crit, 10% from Demonic Tactics, 0.3*30%=9% crit from Imp Demonic Tactics. then 10% from 2T9. But all tests I've done on dummies show no more than 30% crit, sometimes as long as 20%.
I did about 5 rounds, each with exact 100 swings. I get about 40-50% hit, 25-30% crit and 25-30% glancing. It's either I'm extremely unlucky with RNG or something's wrong.

 

Warlocomotif

Other people (including myself) have ran tests with 5k+ melee attacks, 100 melee attacks is really not enough to base anything on.

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Sqz

I've been looking at recount data after full 25 man raids and I'm a little bit concerned that they might have fixed it :< Cleave critrate seemed to be 5-8% higher than regular melee attacks on average. But I don't think it's accurate enough information and will see if I can get some time to run new tests with the latest patch. Or did you do any recently? I'm hoping bad RNG.

 

Birgulos

Can you prove that?
I thought only "Styles" get affected by 2T9?!

 

Warlocomotif

It's been tested by several people, anyway I'll test it again and post screenshots this time around.

[edit] I'll upload screenshots when I've ran all tests.

I've done 3 text runs with 2xT9, totals:
6623 Melee swings, 1728 crits (26.1% crit)
1949 Cleaves, 562 crits (28.8% crit)

Obviously cleave crit% isn't 10% above melee, so that idea is more or less off the table. Cleave crit% is slightly higher- possibly due to it's secondary target being level 70, and thus having lower defense (as such getting critted more), however ~2000 cleaves isn't too big a sample size, it could just be 2.7% higher due to RNG.

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Nnayr

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The first is the crit % of melee and the second is the crit % of cleave.

Will upload w/out 2pc.

edit: thank you for the pm

 

Lassulock

I have a question regarding multiple Meta (0/56/15 /w Demonic Pact) specced demo locks in a raid group.
Anyone tested the mechanics, how do the buffs overwrite each other?
Since we are talking about a non-permanent buff of course i'm only interested in a situation where all demonic pacts are up: does the highest buff overwrites the lesser ones or the one gained first remains for the whole duration?
(we have found Immolation aura very helpful at Anub(25) heroic)

 

Warlocomotif

Whichever one procced last is the one you'll have. IE: If you have someone with 5k spellpower have his felguard crit, you'll get 500sp, if the next second someone with 1k spellpower has his felguard crit, yoru demonic pact will drop down to 100 spellpower.

It is most definitely not worth it to run with more than 1 demonic pact Warlock.

[edit] And at the guy above that, sorry but your sample size is about 20 times too small to draw any kind of conclusion from.

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Nnayr

Yeah i know it was late and i was headed too bed just thought I'd contribute too the thread I will do a much larger example sometime today.

 

Warlocomotif

I've done 3 test runs with 2xT9, totals:
6623 Melee swings, 1728 crits (26.1% crit)
1949 Cleaves, 562 crits (28.8% crit)

I've done 1 big run with 0xT9, totals:
5558 Melee swings, 1056 crits (19.0% crit)
1043 Cleaves, 183 crits (17.5% crit)

There will always be some inaccuracy unless you really use absolutely absurd sample sizes, however you can tell from this sample size that cleaves are not getting a special +10% crir treatment, and you can also pretty confidently say that with 2xT9 all crit appears to go up ~10% (both cleave and melee).

Screenshots:
2xT9: Melee 1, Melee 2, Melee 3, Cleave 1, Cleave 2, Cleave 3
0xT9: Melee 1, Cleave 1

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Sqz

Hmhm, thanks a lot for the tests, I did not get a single chance to run them myself. I'm happy with those results

 

Jlaw1027

Ive been running destro spec for a while now and I wanted to try a more raid viable spec to help out with 25 ToGC. After 2 bosses in demo i saw considerable increase in dps from our top 3 casters compared to me running destro. I'm going to run some timers on this next week to see my DP up time and SP increase and will post the data as soon as I have it sorted out.

 

Jenren22

What about a 10man raid? Is it necessary to have a demo lock? We only have one lock that is myself and simcraft says it is an overall increase in raid damage, but what about when considering high movement fights etc?

We don't run with a shaman usually.

 

Dangeres

It is important to keep in mind that the 3% crit increase is covered by many other classes. MOST importantly keep in mind that TOW is not up 100% of the time. Due to fights that involve movement and the fact that everyone is not in a static location every fight the 40 yd range on TOW means the uptime is not 100%.