So I was going over the patch notes and MMO's new talent calculator. This is what I came up with for full Meta/Ruin spec. Anyone have thoughts on improving this while keeping meta/ruin?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...5&version=9614

Is Molten Core worth it when the only fire spell I usually cast is Immolate? Would I be better off putting 2 of those points into Decimation and having an approximately 1.5 sec soulfire whenever I crit with sbolt under 35%? I'm thinking maybe the soulfire is worth it, that's a very fast cast time and soulfire does a lot of damage and gives a second fire spell to possibly take advantage of molten core if it happens to proc at that point. So maybe I should go with this instead:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

Thoughts?

It will be interesting to see if using soulfire as an execute will be worth the talent points as they are now.

I'd go more like this:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...5&version=9614

SB spam and corruption/CoA should keep MC up for immolate and allows you to weave in SF below 35%. Once gear improves and you no longer need the hit you can max out aftermath and dump points in Imp CoA/Demonic Tactics. My feeling is Imp CoA and Aftermath are bigger boosts than Imp Tactics though. Maybe my napkin maths is flawed though.

I'm hit capped with a boomkin or spriest in the group and can get fairly close to it without with a few gear changes, its not worth the talent point to me and I've had Master Summoner come in handy soooo many times in the past I love that talent . But yes if someone isn't hit capped then that is not a bad sacrifice to make. Which of the 2 specs were you leaning towards?

Hmm I'm a big fan of imp demonic tactics for the better uptime on demonic pact but I might just consider the point loss in Master Summoner to get a point in Aftermath. Forgot they changed that talent too. So something like this:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...5&version=9614

I was actually looking at a spec like this
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...5&version=9614

Reasoning being that we keep up CoA/Corruption/Immolate and then once the target is sub 35% you switch to

SB -> SF -> SB -> SF and refresh dots when they fall. Though I'll do some testing to see if SB/SF spam is better than SB/SF + dots.

Edit: This spec is heavily dependent on you having an elemental shaman of course and the last 2 free points can find a home in 3/3 MC or Imp CoA/Corruption. I haven't decided yet.

I am on test right now, the problem with SB > SF > SB > SF etc is that your not gaining the casting increase until the SB hits the target. So far with my build 3/52/16 I have found the best results to be SB > SB, or I cast CORR, IMO instead of SB if they have expired( this is to allow you to gain Decimation ) otherwise you are casting for almost 2 seconds extra.


Again SB > Filler to allow for Decimation > SF > SB > Filler to allow for Decimation > SF

Any chance you could run a quick WWS parse as you beat on the dummies. I would love to see how that plays out.

Does SB>SB>SF>SF work?

At the start of the first SF you'd get the buff from the first SB, second SB lands while you're casting the first SF and refreshes the effect?

The critical errors will make that pretty impossible for me.

Does not work, I still have the buff. It appears that the buff has some type of internal charge to keep this from happening.

I am having trouble justifying a thread for every individual spec this early in the patch development cycle. Convince me otherwise.

An hour and a half and no reply. That's what I thought.