SimulationCraft for Warlocks (3.3 numbers) - Page 97

Moox · 10/28/09, 12:14 PM

I'm unsure about this, according to MMO-Champion there were changes to the Shadow Bite ability of our Fel Hunter. Are these changes included in the actual simcraft?

Source:
Patch 3.3 PTR Notes Update - 10/23

Affliction

Pandemic no longer affects your Felhunter's Shadow Bite ability.
Shadow Mastery now also affects your Felhunter's Shadow Bite ability.

In the simcraft I found:

      base_crit_bonus_multiplier = 2.0;
      if ( sim -> P330 && o -> talents.pandemic ) base_crit_bonus_multiplier += 1.0;

Could you please have a look at this?

To me it looks like the discarded crit multiplier bonus from Pandemic is still applied, but the 15% damage increase from Shadow Mastery is missing. I'm curious about the output of affliction warlocks with these changes.

Althor · 10/28/09, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Moox

I'm unsure about this, according to MMO-Champion there were changes to the Shadow Bite ability of our Fel Hunter. Are these changes included in the actual simcraft?

Source:
Patch 3.3 PTR Notes Update - 10/23

In the simcraft I found:

      base_crit_bonus_multiplier = 2.0;
      if ( sim -> P330 && o -> talents.pandemic ) base_crit_bonus_multiplier += 1.0;

Could you please have a look at this?

To me it looks like the discarded crit multiplier bonus from Pandemic is still applied, but the 15% damage increase from Shadow Mastery is missing. I'm curious about the output of affliction warlocks with these changes.

This was fixed the day of the patch notes that mention the change. The version you have would be from before the announced change and fix.

Duckey · 10/29/09, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Moox

I'm unsure about this, according to MMO-Champion there were changes to the Shadow Bite ability of our Fel Hunter. Are these changes included in the actual simcraft?

Source:
Patch 3.3 PTR Notes Update - 10/23

In the simcraft I found:

      base_crit_bonus_multiplier = 2.0;
      if ( sim -> P330 && o -> talents.pandemic ) base_crit_bonus_multiplier += 1.0;

Could you please have a look at this?

To me it looks like the discarded crit multiplier bonus from Pandemic is still applied, but the 15% damage increase from Shadow Mastery is missing. I'm curious about the output of affliction warlocks with these changes.

The crit multiplier is actually correct; for the brief amount of time that change was applied Shadow Bite was critting for a 2.5 multiplier, but Simcraft was never updated. Basically, as a melee attack, it already crits at 2.0 without pandemic.

Althor · 10/29/09, 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by Duckey

The crit multiplier is actually correct; for the brief amount of time that change was applied Shadow Bite was critting for a 2.5 multiplier, but Simcraft was never updated. Basically, as a melee attack, it already crits at 2.0 without pandemic.

I did update SimulationCraft to model the 2.5 multiplier a little while after reading about it on this thread and testing it for myself.

However it wasn't too long after I made the change that Pandemic was removed on effecting it on the PTR and I subsequently *mostly* reverted the change in SimulationCraft. I say mostly because my testing combined with the wording on Pandemic when it effected Shadow Bite showed that the base crit multiplier for a Felhunter's Shadow Bite attack is not 200% like say a Rogue's specials, but is in fact 150%. The difference is made up by an innate 100% crit bonus modifier (100% of the +50% damage that a spell crit does).

For the purposes of a Felhunter I imagine the distinction is meaningless as I'm unaware what effect if any a Chaotic Skyflare Diamond has upon pet criticals. I imagine none. If however some ability was added similar to the CSD meta that effected the pet, then the slight change I made would help model it correctly.

praiseallah · 10/29/09, 2:41 AM

Originally Posted by bloodjackal

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...YITh,q8p,10676

COD,İmmolate,Corruption --> Spam İnc

MC %30 haste İnc
Backdraft %30 haste İnc

Backdraft with MC can stack?Does this talent work?

That's interesting

Surely conflag will be doing spme silly dmg if it's 60% + 20% dot of 21 secs of immo

praiseallah · 10/29/09, 3:20 AM

Originally Posted by Talon

Why has Affliction gone up 200 or so dps ?

New glyph and change to shadow mastery?

Windigo · 10/29/09, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by praiseallah

That's interesting

Surely conflag will be doing spme silly dmg if it's 60% + 20% dot of 21 secs of immo

3.3 PTR: Conflagrate: Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame.

The additional time on Immolate will have no effect on Conflagrate's damage.

Casstor · 10/29/09, 10:38 AM

Has anyone tried using Glyph of Quick Decay with the 0/56/15_MC demo spec?

Since the uptime of the buff right now is 27% for the spec, basic probability tells us that since we know the trigger chance is 12% every 3 seconds, the number of ticks for each average buff uptime is 'x' in the equation below:

(1-.12)^x = (1 - .27)
x = 2.46

That is to say, the chance of having the buff down for a particular cast (the downtime) is (1 - .12)^x, and it is also one minus the uptime. Thus, if we speed up our corruption ticks by ~ 30%, x jumps up to 3.2, putting our buff uptime at 34%. Wouldn't the extra 7% uptime on MC combined with the extra damage on corruption be worth losing the 1.2% damage buff (18 seconds of 20% damage buff uptime over a 5 minute fight) glyph of meta provides?

praiseallah · 10/29/09, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Windigo

3.3 PTR: Conflagrate: Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame.

The additional time on Immolate will have no effect on Conflagrate's damage.

Idd, that is similar to how it works on live; based on time instead of % dmg which would work better with a longer or shorter immolate. Don't play on the PTR but in the link that guy provided conflag was working on % dmg.

Marlucia · 10/30/09, 3:37 AM

Originally Posted by Casstor

Has anyone tried using Glyph of Quick Decay with the 0/56/15_MC demo spec?

Let me first say that I have somewhat limited experience tinkering with simcraft, so if I've made any obvious mistakes I apologize. With that out of the way... I was curious about this too, so I tested it out with the t9 BiS 56/15 profile included in the latest release. What I found was that Glyph of Quick Decay is a small (just shy of 50 dps) but tangible upgrade over Glyph of Metamorphosis. MC uptime jumped from about 26 to 33% as expected, and I saw a fairly small increase in all scale factors. On top of all that, Quick Decay will likely outshine Metamorphosis even further on fights where Immolation Aura is impractical.

Another thing I noticed was that dropping a point in Improved Demonic Tactics rather than Demonic Empowerment for 3/3 MC yields an additional 60 dps increase while only decreasing Demonic Pact uptime by ~1%. Just eyeballing it, this would seem to be worthwhile - 1% uptime is approximately 4 spellpower over the entire fight, so with an average of, say, 7 caster dps your personal gain comes out ahead of the raid's loss. It's marginal, but is there a reason I've overlooked that the point shouldn't come out of IDT instead of DE?

Casstor · 10/30/09, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Marlucia

Let me first say that I have somewhat limited experience tinkering with simcraft, so if I've made any obvious mistakes I apologize. With that out of the way... I was curious about this too, so I tested it out with the t9 BiS 56/15 profile included in the latest release. What I found was that Glyph of Quick Decay is a small (just shy of 50 dps) but tangible upgrade over Glyph of Metamorphosis. MC uptime jumped from about 26 to 33% as expected, and I saw a fairly small increase in all scale factors. On top of all that, Quick Decay will likely outshine Metamorphosis even further on fights where Immolation Aura is impractical.

Another thing I noticed was that dropping a point in Improved Demonic Tactics rather than Demonic Empowerment for 3/3 MC yields an additional 60 dps increase while only decreasing Demonic Pact uptime by ~1%. Just eyeballing it, this would seem to be worthwhile - 1% uptime is approximately 4 spellpower over the entire fight, so with an average of, say, 7 caster dps your personal gain comes out ahead of the raid's loss. It's marginal, but is there a reason I've overlooked that the point shouldn't come out of IDT instead of DE?

Some quick napkin math suggests that you may be right about Demoic Empowerment. Bear in mind that demo isn't a spec I currently play, so please forgive if I'm forgetting something obvious in my calculation. Only 60% of a demo lock's damage seems to scale with crit. Seeing ~45% crit in the OP, if we scale this back to 44% and know that we're doing 9900 dps overall, this means:

.6*(144/145) = .59586

a downgrade of 0.414% from our original build. Since we're doing 9900 dps, this amounts to about a 40 dps loss. The gain from demonic empowerment, on the other hand, just comparing the 0/56/15 FG with the 0/56/15_MC FG, is more than a 100 dps loss. Unless I'm missing something obvious, as I've said, it seems like a switch to Quick Decay and Demonic Empowerment is preferred. Marlucia, is there any way you can paste your results from running this build on the sim?

Marlucia · 10/30/09, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by Casstor

Some quick napkin math suggests that you may be right about Demoic Empowerment. Bear in mind that demo isn't a spec I currently play, so please forgive if I'm forgetting something obvious in my calculation. Only 60% of a demo lock's damage seems to scale with crit. Seeing ~45% crit in the OP, if we scale this back to 44% and know that we're doing 9900 dps overall, this means:

.6*(144/145) = .59586

a downgrade of 0.414% from our original build. Since we're doing 9900 dps, this amounts to about a 40 dps loss. The gain from demonic empowerment, on the other hand, just comparing the 0/56/15 FG with the 0/56/15_MC FG, is more than a 100 dps loss. Unless I'm missing something obvious, as I've said, it seems like a switch to Quick Decay and Demonic Empowerment is preferred. Marlucia, is there any way you can paste your results from running this build on the sim?

Sorry for any confusion caused by my post, but Imp. Demonic Tactics doesn't affect your personal chance to crit, only your pet's. The tradeoff between a point in IDT and a point in Demonic Empowerment is essentially 3-4% pet crit versus 7% pet haste, which isn't particularly huge.

My results, for those interested:

Meta glyph, 3/3 IDT, 3/3 MC, no DE

Player: Warlockt9005615_MC_Metaglyph undead warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 9838.2  Error=4.9  Range=794  DPR=27.0  RPS=364.2/300.3  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14603959
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1856|1358(1146)  intellect=1540|1296(1139)  spirit=1042|823(652)  health=25590|20965  mana=27360|23590
  Spell Stats:  power=4837|3177(3177)  hit=14.03%|14.03%(368)  crit=37.49%|31.03%(530)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=36.15%|18.57%(609)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=11.22%|11.22%(368)  crit=25.67%|15.65%(530)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=55.61%|18.57%(609)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2821|2317(2167)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/metamorphosis/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation,P330=1/corruption,P330=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28,P330=1/immolate,P330=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/incinerate,molten_core=1,P330=1
    immolation,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=0/immolate,P330=0
    corruption,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption         Count= 16.2|18.89sec  DPE= 10079| 6%  DPET=  8538  DPR=  18.7  pDPS= 545  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=94  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1734|1551|2087
    curse_of_agony     Count=  1.4|24.65sec  DPE= 10320| 0%  DPET=  9147  DPR=  26.8  pDPS=  47  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=16  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=876|772|1029
    curse_of_doom      Count=  4.2|61.12sec  DPE= 22212| 3%  DPET= 18375  DPR=  38.4  pDPS= 313  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=4  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=22540|20796|26371
    immolate           Count= 12.2|25.07sec  DPE= 16568| 7%  DPET= 14346  DPR=  25.3  pDPS= 673  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2161|1894|2512  Crit= 4521| 3958| 5251|45.4%  TickCount=93  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1737|1507|2050
    immolation         Count=  6.0|57.10sec  DPE= 19531| 4%  DPET= 16357  DPR=   7.9  pDPS= 389  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=66  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1775|1724|1872
    incinerate         Count= 25.9|7.25sec  DPE= 10067| 9%  DPET=  7400  DPR=  18.7  pDPS= 871  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6728|5862|7893  Crit=14066|12251|16496|45.5%
    reign_of_the_dead  Count= 33.4|17.35sec  DPE=  2732| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 304  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2188|2059|2316  Crit= 3379| 3181| 3578|45.7%
    shadow_bolt        Count= 72.2|2.99sec  DPE= 10334|25%  DPET=  5407  DPR=  15.8  pDPS=2488  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6905|6002|8104  Crit=14435|12907|16937|45.5%
    soul_fire          Count= 39.0|1.96sec  DPE= 16359|22%  DPET= 10184  DPR=  47.1  pDPS=2128  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10276|8285|13523  Crit=22062|17315|28264|51.6%
   felguard  (DPS=2083.0)
    cleave             Count= 48.9|6.20sec  DPE=  2679| 4%  DPET=  1624  DPR=   8.0  pDPS= 437  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1874|1223|1979  Crit= 3749| 2447| 3959|44.1%  Dodge=1.2%
    felguard_melee     Count=192.2|1.56sec  DPE=  2564|17%  DPET=  1647  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1644  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1864|1191|1964  Crit= 3728| 2383| 3929|44.6%  Glance=1398|24.0%  Dodge=1.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    decimation            : start=1.0   refresh=39.1   interval=  0.0|2.0    uptime=26%
    demonic_frenzy        : start=1.0   refresh=189.1  interval=  0.0|1.6    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    demonic_pact          : start=1.5   refresh=105.8  interval=122.7|2.8    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=3.2   refresh=11.0   interval=132.0|21.7   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.4|63.4   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    metamorphosis         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=36%  benefit=39%
    molten_core           : start=12.0  refresh=3.7    interval= 24.0|18.0   uptime=26%  benefit=74%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
     82.6 |   3.90sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     14.2 |  21.65sec : life_tap
     33.4 |  17.35sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6515.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    27360.0 : initial_mana          
     6372.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    60766.9 : life_tap                (overflow=7.1%)
    16324.9 : replenishment         
       38.5 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=78.0%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     1391.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.7%)
    13105.0 : initial_mana       
     2987.5 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=54.3%)
    10170.4 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.0%)
     1669.9 : replenishment        (overflow=78.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.1837  Int=0.4325  Spi=1.0165  SP=1.4774  Hit=3.0572  Crit=1.0730  Haste=1.4634
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=22:23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.1837:0.4325:1.0165:1.4774:3.0572:1.0730:1.4634;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=71.2   interval=  0.0|3.0    uptime=81%  benefit=74%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 22379750
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 2942976
  SimSeconds    = 2999470
  CpuSeconds    = 12.570
  SpeedUp       = 238621

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000264 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlockt9005615_MC_Metaglyph  Sta=0.1837  Int=0.4325  Spi=1.0165  SP=1.4774  Hit=3.0572  Crit=1.0730  Haste=1.4634  Lag=0.0000

Quick Decay, 3/3 IDT, 3/3 MC, no DE

Player: Warlockt9005615_MC_noDE undead warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 9884.9  Error=4.9  Range=834  DPR=28.3  RPS=349.4/290.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14603959
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1856|1358(1146)  intellect=1540|1296(1139)  spirit=1042|823(652)  health=25590|20965  mana=27360|23590
  Spell Stats:  power=4837|3177(3177)  hit=14.03%|14.03%(368)  crit=37.49%|31.03%(530)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=36.15%|18.57%(609)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=11.22%|11.22%(368)  crit=25.67%|15.65%(530)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=55.61%|18.57%(609)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2821|2317(2167)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/quick_decay/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation,P330=1/corruption,P330=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28,P330=1/immolate,P330=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/incinerate,molten_core=1,P330=1
    immolation,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=0/immolate,P330=0
    corruption,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption         Count= 22.3|13.62sec  DPE= 10225| 8%  DPET=  8691  DPR=  19.0  pDPS= 762  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=131  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1744|1551|2087
    curse_of_agony     Count=  1.4|24.94sec  DPE= 10334| 0%  DPET=  9221  DPR=  26.8  pDPS=  47  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=16  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=877|772|1029
    curse_of_doom      Count=  4.2|60.98sec  DPE= 22170| 3%  DPET= 18387  DPR=  38.4  pDPS= 312  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=4  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=22487|20796|26371
    immolate           Count= 12.1|25.28sec  DPE= 16188| 7%  DPET= 14018  DPR=  24.7  pDPS= 653  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2111|1894|2512  Crit= 4417| 3958| 5251|45.9%  TickCount=93  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1697|1507|2050
    immolation         Count=  3.0|126.86sec  DPE= 26746| 3%  DPET= 21858  DPR=  10.8  pDPS= 268  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=45  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1783|1724|1872
    incinerate         Count= 32.2|6.10sec  DPE=  9930|11%  DPET=  7300  DPR=  18.4  pDPS=1065  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6650|5862|7893  Crit=13902|12251|16496|45.2%
    reign_of_the_dead  Count= 33.8|17.17sec  DPE=  2734| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 308  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2188|2059|2316  Crit= 3380| 3181| 3578|45.8%
    shadow_bolt        Count= 67.0|3.22sec  DPE= 10228|23%  DPET=  5352  DPR=  15.6  pDPS=2285  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6842|6002|8104  Crit=14296|12544|16937|45.4%
    soul_fire          Count= 38.2|2.01sec  DPE= 16549|21%  DPET= 10300  DPR=  47.7  pDPS=2106  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10272|8285|13523  Crit=22108|17315|28264|53.0%
   felguard  (DPS=2082.3)
    cleave             Count= 48.9|6.20sec  DPE=  2679| 4%  DPET=  1624  DPR=   8.0  pDPS= 437  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1874|1223|1979  Crit= 3749| 2447| 3959|44.1%  Dodge=1.1%
    felguard_melee     Count=192.3|1.56sec  DPE=  2563|17%  DPET=  1647  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1643  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1864|1191|1964  Crit= 3728| 2383| 3929|44.6%  Glance=1398|24.0%  Dodge=1.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/demonic_pact/divine_spirit
  Constant Buffs: fel_armor/fortitude/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    decimation            : start=1.0   refresh=38.3   interval=  0.0|2.0    uptime=26%
    demonic_frenzy        : start=1.0   refresh=189.1  interval=  0.0|1.6    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=4.7   refresh=8.9    interval= 77.1|22.6   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.3|63.3   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    metamorphosis         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=30%  benefit=33%
    molten_core           : start=14.4  refresh=6.4    interval= 20.3|13.8   uptime=33%  benefit=82%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
     83.2 |   3.88sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     13.6 |  22.57sec : life_tap
     33.8 |  17.17sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6518.4 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    27360.0 : initial_mana          
     6415.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    57980.7 : life_tap                (overflow=7.4%)
    16331.9 : replenishment         
        3.7 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=97.4%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     1393.2 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.7%)
    13105.0 : initial_mana       
     2990.1 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=54.3%)
    10174.1 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.0%)
     1672.0 : replenishment        (overflow=78.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.2602  Int=0.5850  Spi=1.1472  SP=1.5578  Hit=3.0693  Crit=1.1081  Haste=1.5830
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=22:23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.2602:0.5850:1.1472:1.5578:3.0693:1.1081:1.5830;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=66.0   interval=  0.0|3.2    uptime=81%  benefit=74%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 22589796
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 2957135
  SimSeconds    = 3000838
  CpuSeconds    = 12.709
  SpeedUp       = 236119

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999640 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlockt9005615_MC_noDE  Sta=0.2602  Int=0.5850  Spi=1.1472  SP=1.5578  Hit=3.0693  Crit=1.1081  Haste=1.5830  Lag=0.0000

Quick Decay, 2/3 IDT, 3/3 MC, DE

Player: Warlockt9005615_MC_DE undead warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 9941.2  Error=4.9  Range=788  DPR=28.5  RPS=349.1/290.6  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14603959
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1856|1358(1146)  intellect=1540|1296(1139)  spirit=1042|823(652)  health=25590|20965  mana=27360|23590
  Spell Stats:  power=4837|3177(3177)  hit=14.03%|14.03%(368)  crit=37.49%|31.03%(530)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=36.15%|18.57%(609)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=11.22%|11.22%(368)  crit=25.67%|15.65%(530)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=55.61%|18.57%(609)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2821|2317(2167)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/quick_decay/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/demonic_empowerment/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation,P330=1/corruption,P330=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28,P330=1/immolate,P330=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/incinerate,molten_core=1,P330=1
    immolation,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=0/immolate,P330=0
    corruption,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption         Count= 22.3|13.62sec  DPE= 10228| 8%  DPET=  8650  DPR=  19.0  pDPS= 761  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=131  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1744|1551|2087
    curse_of_agony     Count=  1.4|24.90sec  DPE= 10349| 0%  DPET=  9228  DPR=  26.9  pDPS=  48  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=16  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=876|772|1029
    curse_of_doom      Count=  4.2|61.00sec  DPE= 22186| 3%  DPET= 18408  DPR=  38.4  pDPS= 311  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=4  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=22490|20796|26371
    immolate           Count= 12.1|25.28sec  DPE= 16194| 7%  DPET= 14018  DPR=  24.7  pDPS= 653  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2110|1851|2512  Crit= 4417| 3869| 5251|46.1%  TickCount=93  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1697|1464|2050
    immolation         Count=  3.0|126.85sec  DPE= 26736| 3%  DPET= 21854  DPR=  10.8  pDPS= 268  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=45  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1782|1724|1872
    incinerate         Count= 31.9|6.14sec  DPE=  9959|11%  DPET=  7321  DPR=  18.5  pDPS=1061  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6650|5862|7893  Crit=13906|12251|16496|45.6%
    reign_of_the_dead  Count= 33.7|17.16sec  DPE=  2733| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 307  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2188|2059|2316  Crit= 3380| 3181| 3578|45.7%
    shadow_bolt        Count= 66.9|3.22sec  DPE= 10224|23%  DPET=  5350  DPR=  15.6  pDPS=2283  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6843|6002|8104  Crit=14297|12544|16937|45.4%
    soul_fire          Count= 38.3|2.01sec  DPE= 16519|21%  DPET= 10276  DPR=  47.6  pDPS=2109  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10265|8285|13523  Crit=22111|17315|28264|52.8%
   felguard  (DPS=2141.6)
    cleave             Count= 48.9|6.20sec  DPE=  2609| 4%  DPET=  1581  DPR=   7.8  pDPS= 425  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1877|1223|1979  Crit= 3754| 2447| 3959|40.2%  Dodge=1.1%
    felguard_melee     Count=206.0|1.45sec  DPE=  2494|17%  DPET=  1717  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1714  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1866|1191|1964  Crit= 3731| 2383| 3929|40.8%  Glance=1399|24.0%  Dodge=1.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    decimation            : start=1.0   refresh=38.4   interval=  0.0|2.0    uptime=26%
    demonic_empowerment   : start=7.4   refresh=0.0    interval= 42.7|42.7   uptime=36%  benefit=40%
    demonic_frenzy        : start=1.0   refresh=202.7  interval=  0.0|1.5    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    demonic_pact          : start=1.7   refresh=102.0  interval=119.4|2.9    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=4.7   refresh=8.8    interval= 76.8|22.6   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.3|63.3   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    metamorphosis         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=30%  benefit=33%
    molten_core           : start=14.3  refresh=6.5    interval= 20.4|13.8   uptime=33%  benefit=81%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
     83.1 |   3.88sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     13.5 |  22.60sec : life_tap
     33.7 |  17.16sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6515.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    27360.0 : initial_mana          
     6405.5 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    57874.5 : life_tap                (overflow=7.4%)
    16324.8 : replenishment         
        3.0 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=97.8%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     1395.6 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.7%)
    13105.0 : initial_mana       
     2979.8 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=54.4%)
    10172.5 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.0%)
     1674.9 : replenishment        (overflow=78.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.2071  Int=0.5853  Spi=1.1666  SP=1.5573  Hit=3.0862  Crit=1.1077  Haste=1.5944
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=22:23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.2071:0.5853:1.1666:1.5573:3.0862:1.1077:1.5944;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=65.9   interval=  0.0|3.2    uptime=81%  benefit=74%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 22949560
  MaxEventQueue = 25
  TargetHealth  = 2974009
  SimSeconds    = 2999543
  CpuSeconds    = 13.184
  SpeedUp       = 227514

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999022 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlockt9005615_MC_DE  Sta=0.2071  Int=0.5853  Spi=1.1666  SP=1.5573  Hit=3.0862  Crit=1.1077  Haste=1.5944  Lag=0.0000

Casstor · 10/30/09, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by Marlucia

Sorry for any confusion caused by my post, but Imp. Demonic Tactics doesn't affect your personal chance to crit, only your pet's. The tradeoff between a point in IDT and a point in Demonic Empowerment is essentially 3-4% pet crit versus 7% pet haste, which isn't particularly huge.

Yeah, guess I just showed how long its been since I specced demo. I was still thinking of an older version of Demonic Tactics (not the improved one).

Warlocomotif · 10/30/09, 8:36 PM

Try to do the same thing without 2xT9 and look at what happens to demonic pact uptime.

Marlucia · 11/01/09, 2:28 AM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Try to do the same thing without 2xT9 and look at what happens to demonic pact uptime.

Good call, I hadn't considered that. DP uptime drops further to around 97%, but the difference in uptime between 2/3 IDT + DE and 3/3 IDT specs remains on the order of 1% or so. The sim actually shows uptime as equal for both specs, but 3/3 IDT has slightly higher benefit. It seems, again, like the difference in DP uptime is marginal enough that the extra 40-50 personal dps might be worth it. Here are my results again, for those interested:

2/3 IDT, DE, no 2pc

Player: Warlockt9005615_MC_DE undead warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 9654.5  Error=4.9  Range=790  DPR=27.6  RPS=349.5/290.8  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14603959
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1856|1358(1146)  intellect=1540|1296(1139)  spirit=1042|823(652)  health=25590|20965  mana=27360|23590
  Spell Stats:  power=4677|3177(3177)  hit=14.03%|14.03%(368)  crit=37.49%|31.03%(530)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=36.15%|18.57%(609)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=11.22%|11.22%(368)  crit=25.67%|15.65%(530)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=55.61%|18.57%(609)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2821|2317(2167)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/quick_decay/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/demonic_empowerment/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation,P330=1/corruption,P330=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28,P330=1/immolate,P330=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/incinerate,molten_core=1,P330=1
    immolation,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=0/immolate,P330=0
    corruption,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption         Count= 22.3|13.63sec  DPE=  9290| 7%  DPET=  7857  DPR=  17.2  pDPS= 692  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=131  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1584|1410|1897
    curse_of_agony     Count=  1.3|24.91sec  DPE= 10315| 0%  DPET=  9196  DPR=  26.8  pDPS=  46  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=16  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=875|772|1029
    curse_of_doom      Count=  4.2|60.98sec  DPE= 22121| 3%  DPET= 18355  DPR=  38.3  pDPS= 312  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=4  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=22449|20796|26371
    immolate           Count= 12.1|25.29sec  DPE= 14705| 6%  DPET= 12728  DPR=  22.5  pDPS= 593  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1917|1722|2284  Crit= 4012| 3518| 4773|46.2%  TickCount=93  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1542|1331|1864
    immolation         Count=  3.0|126.86sec  DPE= 26701| 3%  DPET= 21813  DPR=  10.8  pDPS= 267  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=45  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1780|1724|1872
    incinerate         Count= 32.3|6.12sec  DPE=  9954|11%  DPET=  7317  DPR=  18.5  pDPS=1071  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6651|5862|7893  Crit=13894|12149|16496|45.6%
    reign_of_the_dead  Count= 33.8|17.13sec  DPE=  2733| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 308  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2188|2059|2316  Crit= 3380| 3181| 3578|45.7%
    shadow_bolt        Count= 67.0|3.22sec  DPE= 10228|24%  DPET=  5352  DPR=  15.6  pDPS=2285  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6839|6002|8104  Crit=14278|12544|16937|45.6%
    soul_fire          Count= 38.0|2.01sec  DPE= 16547|22%  DPET= 10307  DPR=  47.7  pDPS=2098  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10268|8285|13523  Crit=22114|17315|28264|53.0%
   felguard  (DPS=1983.5)
    cleave             Count= 48.9|6.20sec  DPE=  2426| 4%  DPET=  1470  DPR=   7.3  pDPS= 395  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1876|1223|1979  Crit= 3752| 2447| 3959|30.4%  Dodge=1.1%
    felguard_melee     Count=206.0|1.45sec  DPE=  2308|16%  DPET=  1589  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1586  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1865|1191|1964  Crit= 3730| 2383| 3929|30.9%  Glance=1399|24.0%  Dodge=1.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    decimation            : start=1.0   refresh=38.1   interval=  0.0|2.0    uptime=26%
    demonic_empowerment   : start=7.4   refresh=0.0    interval= 42.7|42.7   uptime=36%  benefit=40%
    demonic_frenzy        : start=1.0   refresh=202.7  interval=  0.0|1.5    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    demonic_pact          : start=3.3   refresh=75.2   interval= 79.6|3.8    uptime=97%  benefit=96%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=4.7   refresh=8.9    interval= 77.2|22.6   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.3|63.3   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    metamorphosis         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=30%  benefit=32%
    molten_core           : start=14.4  refresh=6.4    interval= 20.2|13.8   uptime=33%  benefit=82%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
     83.1 |   3.88sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     13.5 |  22.56sec : life_tap
     33.8 |  17.13sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6516.4 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    27360.0 : initial_mana          
     6408.5 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    57920.6 : life_tap                (overflow=7.4%)
    16326.8 : replenishment         
        3.2 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=97.7%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     1395.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.7%)
    13105.0 : initial_mana       
     2975.9 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=54.5%)
    10181.2 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.0%)
     1674.6 : replenishment        (overflow=78.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.1682  Int=0.5210  Spi=1.0608  SP=1.4505  Hit=3.1216  Crit=1.0175  Haste=1.4919
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=22:23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.1682:0.5210:1.0608:1.4505:3.1216:1.0175:1.4919;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=66.0   interval=  0.0|3.2    uptime=81%  benefit=75%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 22959882
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 2887981
  SimSeconds    = 2999926
  CpuSeconds    = 13.686
  SpeedUp       = 219197

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000059 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlockt9005615_MC_DE  Sta=0.1682  Int=0.5210  Spi=1.0608  SP=1.4505  Hit=3.1216  Crit=1.0175  Haste=1.4919  Lag=0.0000

3/3 IDT, no 2pc

Player: Warlockt9005615_MC_noDE undead warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 9601.9  Error=5.0  Range=886  DPR=27.5  RPS=349.7/290.8  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14603959
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1856|1358(1146)  intellect=1540|1296(1139)  spirit=1042|823(652)  health=25590|20965  mana=27360|23590
  Spell Stats:  power=4677|3177(3177)  hit=14.03%|14.03%(368)  crit=37.49%|31.03%(530)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=36.15%|18.57%(609)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=11.22%|11.22%(368)  crit=25.67%|15.65%(530)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=55.61%|18.57%(609)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2821|2317(2167)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/quick_decay/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation,P330=1/corruption,P330=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28,P330=1/immolate,P330=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/incinerate,molten_core=1,P330=1
    immolation,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90,P330=0/immolate,P330=0
    corruption,health_percentage>=35,P330=0/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption         Count= 22.3|13.62sec  DPE=  9289| 7%  DPET=  7896  DPR=  17.2  pDPS= 692  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=131  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1584|1410|1897
    curse_of_agony     Count=  1.3|24.90sec  DPE= 10288| 0%  DPET=  9171  DPR=  26.7  pDPS=  45  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=15  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=875|772|1029
    curse_of_doom      Count=  4.3|60.98sec  DPE= 22086| 3%  DPET= 18322  DPR=  38.2  pDPS= 313  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=4  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=22467|20796|26371
    immolate           Count= 12.1|25.28sec  DPE= 14698| 6%  DPET= 12725  DPR=  22.4  pDPS= 593  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1918|1722|2284  Crit= 4013| 3518| 4773|46.0%  TickCount=93  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1542|1331|1864
    immolation         Count=  3.0|126.86sec  DPE= 26713| 3%  DPET= 21813  DPR=  10.8  pDPS= 267  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=45  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1781|1724|1872
    incinerate         Count= 32.2|6.14sec  DPE=  9927|11%  DPET=  7298  DPR=  18.4  pDPS=1065  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6646|5862|7893  Crit=13892|12210|16496|45.3%
    reign_of_the_dead  Count= 33.8|17.16sec  DPE=  2731| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 308  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2188|2059|2316  Crit= 3380| 3181| 3578|45.6%
    shadow_bolt        Count= 67.2|3.22sec  DPE= 10229|24%  DPET=  5352  DPR=  15.6  pDPS=2293  Miss=0.00%  Hit=6837|6002|8104  Crit=14291|12544|16937|45.5%
    soul_fire          Count= 38.0|2.00sec  DPE= 16563|22%  DPET= 10321  DPR=  47.7  pDPS=2096  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10265|8285|13523  Crit=22121|17315|28264|53.1%
   felguard  (DPS=1932.2)
    cleave             Count= 48.9|6.20sec  DPE=  2493| 4%  DPET=  1511  DPR=   7.5  pDPS= 406  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1873|1223|1979  Crit= 3748| 2447| 3959|34.2%  Dodge=1.1%
    felguard_melee     Count=192.3|1.56sec  DPE=  2376|16%  DPET=  1527  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1524  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1863|1191|1964  Crit= 3727| 2383| 3929|34.7%  Glance=1398|24.0%  Dodge=1.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    decimation            : start=1.0   refresh=38.1   interval=  0.0|2.0    uptime=26%
    demonic_frenzy        : start=1.0   refresh=189.1  interval=  0.0|1.6    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    demonic_pact          : start=2.7   refresh=80.7   interval= 90.1|3.6    uptime=97%  benefit=97%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=4.6   refresh=8.9    interval= 77.7|22.5   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.3|63.3   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    metamorphosis         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=30%  benefit=32%
    molten_core           : start=14.4  refresh=6.4    interval= 20.4|13.8   uptime=33%  benefit=82%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
     83.1 |   3.89sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     13.6 |  22.51sec : life_tap
     33.8 |  17.16sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6518.9 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    27360.0 : initial_mana          
     6406.3 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    57960.3 : life_tap                (overflow=7.4%)
    16333.1 : replenishment         
        3.3 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=97.7%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     1393.8 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.7%)
    13105.0 : initial_mana       
     2982.6 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=54.3%)
    10182.4 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.0%)
     1672.6 : replenishment        (overflow=78.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.2107  Int=0.5765  Spi=1.0843  SP=1.4625  Hit=3.0731  Crit=1.0752  Haste=1.5149
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=22:23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.2107:0.5765:1.0843:1.4625:3.0731:1.0752:1.5149;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=66.2   interval=  0.0|3.2    uptime=81%  benefit=75%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 22600272
  MaxEventQueue = 23
  TargetHealth  = 2872104
  SimSeconds    = 3001102
  CpuSeconds    = 13.477
  SpeedUp       = 222683

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999109 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlockt9005615_MC_noDE  Sta=0.2107  Int=0.5765  Spi=1.0843  SP=1.4625  Hit=3.0731  Crit=1.0752  Haste=1.5149  Lag=0.0000

Warlocomotif · 11/01/09, 1:58 PM

I'm not doing to say that it theoretically isn't worth it, but lets put it this way; the sim simulates patchwerk. Its very easy to get high Demonic pact uptime in a fight like that. In the real world demonic pact uptime is slightly more touchy, I personally don't really think that it would be worth chasing after that 40-50 DPS.

Johnneke · 11/01/09, 9:18 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

I'm not doing to say that it theoretically isn't worth it, but lets put it this way; the sim simulates patchwerk. Its very easy to get high Demonic pact uptime in a fight like that. In the real world demonic pact uptime is slightly more touchy, I personally don't really think that it would be worth chasing after that 40-50 DPS.

Actually you can simulate movement etc in simcraft by choosing the Helter Skelter styled fight. I just ran a simulation with the Helter Skelter style fight and it did not change the Demonic Pact uptime, which seems normal to me since most often your pet can keep attacking even though you might be on the move etc.

Marlucia · 11/01/09, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

I'm not doing to say that it theoretically isn't worth it, but lets put it this way; the sim simulates patchwerk. Its very easy to get high Demonic pact uptime in a fight like that. In the real world demonic pact uptime is slightly more touchy, I personally don't really think that it would be worth chasing after that 40-50 DPS.

I'd usually agree on the principle that sacrificing raid buff reliability for personal dps is a bad idea, but I would think that fights in which your felguard can't always attack the boss would skew the numbers in favor of DE, not IDT, since it would be up a greater proportion of the felguard's active time. Also, as Johnneke already pointed out, the felguard is pretty much fire-and-forget on all but a handful of fights, so DP uptime will be a lot closer to ideal most of the time than, say, immolate uptime.

Warlocomotif · 11/01/09, 11:55 PM

Lets put it more simple; in the real world 98% demonic pact uptime happens super rarely.
To get Demonic Pact up, you need a crit. The chance of demonic pact being up is the [1 - 100/felguard crit chance] ^ [amount of attacks in the past 12 seconds], at any point where the felguard has not been attacking constantly, uptime will suffer.

On shorter fights, or broken up fights, uptime will also suffer. For example; the uptime will drop due to the phase 1 2 and 3 on Northrend beasts, and I know you'll say "Yes but theres also time between", yeah, and what happens is it will be up for a part of that time, and it will be down for the first few seconds into the next fight.

The value of 1% uptime with 10 casters that have an average scale factor of 1.5 at the demo pact lock having 4.2k spellpower is 420 * 0.01 * 10 * 1.5 = 63 DPS.
420- the assumed spellpower you give to the raid, which is neither high nor low. 1.5 is fairly low as far as spellpower scale factors go, but 10 might be on the high side for casters (unless you want to include healers, in which case its very low- healers should be considered, but the value for them can't be quantified well).

Its certainly good to question cookie cutters, I just can't see this change as being worth while.

Arnath · 11/02/09, 1:40 PM

Because of Totem of Wrath (which you probably at least have available), isn't it only 140 net spellpower gain (so 27 DPS)?

Warlocomotif · 11/02/09, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Arnath

Because of Totem of Wrath (which you probably at least have available), isn't it only 140 net spellpower gain (so 27 DPS)?

No, because it's a raid dps loss to use Totem of Wrath.

Kandiru · 11/02/09, 8:12 PM

Totem of wrath boosts DP power though, since it raises your spellpower before DP procs.

You have to use a macro to remove DP from yourself to get the full benefit, though. (Although that might not be a raid DPS gain?)

But at least a ToW will apply when DP isn't up for everyone. And it adds +3% crit to everything too! (Paladins can't judge many whelps!)

Warlocomotif · 11/02/09, 8:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kandiru

Totem of wrath boosts DP power though, since it raises your spellpower before DP procs.

You have to use a macro to remove DP from yourself to get the full benefit, though. (Although that might not be a raid DPS gain?)

But at least a ToW will apply when DP isn't up for everyone. And it adds +3% crit to everything too! (Paladins can't judge many whelps!)

But a rogue can poison mana whelps. Yes Totem of Wrath boosts DP power, no the gain in DP power is not worth the loss of searing totem + 140 spellpower for the Warlock (Worse yet vs the other fire DPS totems). If you want the math, check the appropriate thread for this subject, it's been asked and anwsered a lot.

• Zakalwe · 11/03/09, 11:08 PM

A bug was discovered that made MC trigger from non-corruption dot ticks - it's been fixed now, and I put updated numbers in the OP.

Cipherr · 11/04/09, 5:34 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

A bug was discovered that made MC trigger from non-corruption dot ticks - it's been fixed now, and I put updated numbers in the OP.

Can I ask how simcraft is handling the Conflag dot? Is it factoring in the dots increased chance to crit from talents? I ask because I was worried that the new conflag dot, even though able to crit now, wouldn't receive the 25% crit chance from Fire and Brimstone. (And because honestly I'd loooooove to see destro a weeeeeeee bit closer to Aff)

I went to test, and the dot portion has now been patched and is able to crit. So I tested the crit chance of the dot ticks. Its still a 6 second dot, with 3 ticks:

And it clearly seems to receive the crit boost from F&B. (There is a gap in those shots of a few percent in terms of where the crit chance should be, but trust me it evens out, its just the RNG in the case of these screenshots) The dot crits about the same as the initial conflag crits. I know the screen-shots show a very small sample size but I was there for a while testing, it held true with over 45 minutes of parsing. Im very excited about they got this working right, it officially wont be a damage loss at all on conflag PvE wise as long as the dots 3 ticks are able to run their course which is all that I could ask for. I also tested it extensively with the improved imp buff to make sure the dot ticks weren't consuming it or being effected by it at all, and they were not.