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Old 11/04/09, 5:41 AM   #2426
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Ysera
Simcraft does model the conflag dot as benefiting from F&B, and has been since the dot portion was first implemented - thanks for the test, though, we were just guessing before, now we know.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 8:40 AM   #2427
Scrufola
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Human Warlock
 
Kargath (EU)
MMO Champion

Molten Core now increases the duration of your Immolate by 3/6 sec. and give you a 4/8% chance to gain the Molten Core effect.
Looks like they reduced Molten Core to 2 ranks and hereby resolved the question of which talent to take the third point from.

And the proc chance is reduced to 8%.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 9:12 AM   #2428
aimson
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Still 3 points on the ptr, but each point gives 4% chance to proc it now (maybe it was like this before but I think it always gave 12%).
 
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Old 11/04/09, 9:22 AM   #2429
asakawa
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Eonar (EU)
previously, ranks 1 and 2 both increased immo by 0 seconds and had a 0% chance to proc. this change seems to simply filling out MC to include the first 2 ranks as well as rank 3.

presumably they were testing the effect at max rank and have now decided to go with this model.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 10:14 AM   #2430
Casstor
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Lethon
The 0/56/15_MC build still appears to not be using Quick Decay. Did someone else find that using this glyph over meta did not increase dps?
 
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Old 11/04/09, 10:38 AM   #2431
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Originally Posted by Casstor View Post
The 0/56/15_MC build still appears to not be using Quick Decay. Did someone else find that using this glyph over meta did not increase dps?
Most people who tried it found it be a DPS increase, its just not been updated on the first page yet.

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Old 11/04/09, 4:54 PM   #2432
Cipherr
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Greymane
Just wanted to note, updated the PTR client again this morning. Ruins tooltip does state it increases the imps critical strike damage bonus but it isnt currently working on test. I tried respeccing and dropping all talents the respeccing. Dismissing and recalling the pet and everything just to make sure, but it still isnt working as of this build.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 11:22 AM   #2433
Krazen
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Turalyon
Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
So is there any specific amount of Haste you need to do a 1:1 rotation as 40/31? I can't seem to maintain it, even with a /castsequence macro standing at max distance. It'll work for a few casts some of the time, but I have a feeling I'm being limited by my PC's performance.
I'm looking at a couple other macro setups for decimation:

Something I'm going to try tonight is

/castsequence reset=3 Soul Fire, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt

Ideally, if you keep hitting it, you'll get a 2:1 weave. If you break off after the first shadowbolt and cast a different spell, the 3 seconds should elapse and the macro will reset, letting you soulfire again.

Of course, your initial decimate proc has to come from Shadow Bolt (or Incinerate) manually.

I haven't see much in the way of macroing Soul Fire effectively. Thankfully, next patch, we won't have to.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 3:44 PM   #2434
Ruination
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Originally Posted by Krazen View Post
I'm looking at a couple other macro setups for decimation:

Something I'm going to try tonight is

/castsequence reset=3 Soul Fire, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt

Ideally, if you keep hitting it, you'll get a 2:1 weave. If you break off after the first shadowbolt and cast a different spell, the 3 seconds should elapse and the macro will reset, letting you soulfire again.

Of course, your initial decimate proc has to come from Shadow Bolt (or Incinerate) manually.

I haven't see much in the way of macroing Soul Fire effectively. Thankfully, next patch, we won't have to.
I can't recommend against this macro enough. If you start casting Soul Fire without Decimation up, you're going to lower your dps and burn a soul shard.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 5:18 PM   #2435
Warlocomotif
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Use of castsequences is recommended against regardless due to the fact that castsequence macros do not get placed in the cast que, and thus- latency will hit you very, very hard.

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Old 11/10/09, 5:26 PM   #2436
mjball
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Using the new Qt GUI, how do I enable specific buffs like heroic presence? I've tried a few things, like putting the line "heroic_presence=1" in the overrides tab, but Simulationcraft complains about an unknown option/value pair.
As a specific hack to apply heroic presence, I can change my character's race, but that's only a hack, and not The Right Way.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 5:28 PM   #2437
dedmonwakeen
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Llane
Originally Posted by mjball View Post
Using the new Qt GUI, how do I enable specific buffs like heroic presence? I've tried a few things, like putting the line "heroic_presence=1" in the overrides tab, but Simulationcraft complains about an unknown option/value pair.
As a specific hack to apply heroic presence, I can change my character's race, but that's only a hack, and not The Right Way.
The variable names for forcing the buffs and debuffs all start out with "override.xxx"

override.heroic_presence=1

 
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Old 11/11/09, 1:33 AM   #2438
chinoquezada
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Turalyon
Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen View Post
The variable names for forcing the buffs and debuffs all start out with "override.xxx"

override.heroic_presence=1
Ran into the same problem, this solved it.

EDIT:
The examples in the new GUI seem to imply that only putting heroic_presence=1 in the overrides tab would be enough, but I found out that you still need to precede every override with "override." in order for them to function properly.

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Old 11/12/09, 6:41 PM   #2439
Permut
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Haomarush (EU)
I just noticed that the BiS geared 03/13/55 specced warlock is using a 12 SP / 10 hit gem in his off-hand, despite having more then enough hit to get rid off it, assuming having misery of improved faerie fire on the target.

Is the original poster the one who takes care of these profiles, or is it the one who made the simulationcraft software?

Edit: I just tried to change this gem to 10 haste instead of 10 hit, or even 23 sp (instead of 12 sp 10 hit 5 sp bonus) and got lower dps results then with the 10 hit gem, is the first one because i've only done 10k iterations with each type of gem? and how is the second one possible?

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Old 11/12/09, 8:22 PM   #2440
chinoquezada
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Turalyon
Originally Posted by Permut View Post
I just noticed that the BiS geared 03/13/55 specced warlock is using a 12 SP / 10 hit gem in his off-hand, despite having more then enough hit to get rid off it, assuming having misery of improved faerie fire on the target.

Is the original poster the one who takes care of these profiles, or is it the one who made the simulationcraft software?

Edit: I just tried to change this gem to 10 haste instead of 10 hit, or even 23 sp (instead of 12 sp 10 hit 5 sp bonus) and got lower dps results then with the 10 hit gem, is the first one because i've only done 10k iterations with each type of gem? and how is the second one possible?
I believe this has something to do with how your Imp's Firebolt and [Reign of the Unliving]'s Pillar of Flame work regarding your talented hit (3/3 Suppression).
From what I've noticed in my simulations, both Firebolt and Pillar of Flame do not seem to be receiving the 3% hit benefit from Suppression. hence you see ~3% miss from both using 3/13/55 (depending on your personal hit from gear)
You can also see these misses on the results posted in the OP (quoted bellow for clarity)
reign_of_the_dead  Count= 50.0|11.78sec  DPE=  2603| 4%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 435  Miss=2.27% Hit=2187|2059|2316  Crit= 3380| 3181| 3578|39.0%
imp  (DPS=971.7)
fire_bolt          Count=161.3|1.85sec  DPE=  1802| 9%  DPET=   972  DPR=  10.0  pDPS= 970  Miss=2.30% Hit=1402|1217|1500  Crit= 2804| 2434| 3000|30.8%

Now, if this is true, it means that we could probably have a different target hit for 3/13/55 when the warlock has [Reign of the Unliving] equipped. It seems like something that should probably be looked into, I'll make some tests this weekend to verify if any of this means anything different for hit considerations.
 
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Old 11/12/09, 8:29 PM   #2441
Warlocomotif
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The trinket and imp don't do nearly enough damage to make that worth while. Please link the profile you're importing.

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Old 11/12/09, 11:12 PM   #2442
Althor
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Night Elf Priest
 
Jubei'Thos
I've run a test comparing different gem choices in the offhand. The choices were 23sp, 10haste/12sp, 10crit/12sp and 10hit/12sp. I ran it with 20000 iterations.

12sp/10crit came out ahead:

  10110  25.0%  Warlock_12sp_10crit_5sp
  10108  25.0%  Warlock_12sp_10haste_5sp
  10108  25.0%  Warlock_T9_03_13_55
  10105  25.0%  Warlock_23sp
As can be seen, the actual difference is very small, but to ensure we're using the best profile I have updated the wowhead profile and checked in an updated version of the .simc file.
 
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Old 11/15/09, 12:00 PM   #2443
Nartas
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Human Warlock
 
Eonar
Just a quick observation and question at the same time. I did some testing on the ptr with corruption and its interaction with rolling haste, very similar to how priest's SW:P was before they removed it.

I noticed in the simcraft 55/0/16 in 300 secs corruption ticks 128 times or roughly one tick per 2.3475 seconds, and that it is not being reapplyed, thus indicating its not falling off and should have damn near a 100% uptime. Might I also point out the obvious 8% haste from raid buffs, also added into this.

On my ptr testing, I put up corruption and waited for an eradication proc (for testing purposes). Once eradication proc'd, I reset recount hit a haste pot and reapplyed corruption with my updated haste, continuing with my normal rotation for 300 seconds. Give or take even a tick or two for error at exactly 300 seconds ( I was using the stopwatch in game), I finished with 92 UA ticks or 1 higher than simcraft (this is a weak but semi control, depending on uptime) and more importantly 163 ticks from corruption or 35 more than the simulator. I should also point out that in my testing I used spellstone, and 589 haste from gear, also less than the gear setup by about 10 or so used in simcraft. I did not have access to a boomkin and or shammy for the 8% haste from raid buffs, so this was simply my own gear, spellstone, eradication proc, as well as a haste potion.

I do believe from this testing, while very rough, sorry I dont have quite the patience to run several more tests, we can conclude very roughly that corruption haste rolls very similar to priest's old SW:P. Thus popping a haste pot during first erad proc, or even pre-poting with a potion of speed will increase dps even more. Is it possible to modle the rolling haste on corruption in simcraft?
 
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Old 11/15/09, 7:16 PM   #2444
Lockkster
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Human Warlock
 
Silvermoon (EU)
I can confirm this is indeed true. Getting around 40 more corruption ticks during 300 seconds if i refresh it when i get eradication and about 60 more if i do it with eradication+potion of speed. Guess it won't work with heroism since its a cast time reduction instead of a flat out haste buff.
 
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Old 11/15/09, 11:18 PM   #2445
dedmonwakeen
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Llane
Originally Posted by Nartas View Post
Is it possible to modle the rolling haste on corruption in simcraft?
DoT refresh in SimC only refreshes SP/AP, so this is modeled right now.

The trick is forcing SimC to re-cast the DoT when it is still ticking. Althor added the option "haste_gain_percentage>".

...
actions+=/corruption,haste_gain_percentage>=20
...

If your current spell haste is 20% "better" than the spell haste at the point of original application, then it will be re-cast.

 
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Old 11/17/09, 8:05 PM   #2446
Cipherr
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Greymane
I figured I would post this since its the latest notes on PTR for the class

Warlock

Affliction

* Improved Drain Soul now reduces the threat caused by your Affliction spells by 10/20%. (Up from 5/10%)


Destruction

* Destructive Reach now reduces the threat caused by Destruction spells by 10/20%. (Up from 5/10%)
 
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Old 11/18/09, 5:48 AM   #2447
subtletuna
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Anvilmar
So having a look at the new t10 set, i noticed that there is no spirit on any of the pieces (World of Warcraft Database - Sigrie). Because of this, i was thinking that the glyph of lifetap would be devalued and once again be replaced with immolate - which in turn, would make 0/13/58 >> 3/13/55. Any thoughts?
 
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Old 11/18/09, 7:02 AM   #2448
Asharfh
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As MMO-Champion stated : "Some of these stats are most likely placeholders"... However, I like the idea of dropping the glyph of lifetap for immolate
 
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Old 11/18/09, 9:29 AM   #2449
Darknessss
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Tauren Warrior
 
Hakkar (EU)
The mage set doesn't have any spirit either so this might mean they are building the sets based on what the Items will be in Catalysm.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 12:55 PM   #2450
Monedra
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The priest set also has no spirit, so these must be just placeholder sets.
 
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