SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 10

Naforce · 03/01/09, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sedona

I find tests with the Doomguard to be problematic since the Doomguard isn't a practical pet for many fights. As I see it, he's only useful currently for Patchwerk. Will he really be viable for fights in Ulduar? In my opinion, probably not. So are people really going to spec 54/0/17 just to top the meters in one fight?

These parses do show most of the specs to be very close to one another. In my opinion, all specs are currently competitive, which is a good thing. So I think 54/0/17 will still be a spec that people will take considering that it is still competitive regardless and has the potential to become the top spec with the Doomguard.

Really? Only for patchwerk? I find him useful for the entire spider wing, the entire plague wing, the entire DK wing, the entire abomination wing, and the final wing too. So tell me. Where isn't he usefu and practicall? I use him for Malygos as well.

ostoles · 03/01/09, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

The FG specs loose dps by using a doomguard, the deep destro specs has spent so many points on improving the imp the dps gain would be small. Although, please do the same test with all non-FG specs!

I do agree with the statements above, full destro or hybrid demo/destro is giving up a lot to use the doomguard. However, for completeness-- I have included a variation on the current specs with a doomguard using revision 1612 of simcraft. The profiles for these particular specs are default with only the pet being modified.

Damage breakdown:

Player=Warlock_T8_00_30_41_DG  DPS=5504.5 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-520)  DPR=19.7  RPS=279.8/211.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19196  mana=20558
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=13.9%  crit=16.8%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=11.1%  crit=12.4%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    conflagrate           Count= 25.8|10.8sec  DPE=7627|13%  DPET=5593  DPR=18.3  Miss=0.1%  Hit=5179  Crit=10825|12877|43.4%
    immolate              Count= 18.9|14.9sec  DPE=8762|11%  DPET=6863  DPR=14.8  Miss=0.1%  Hit=1780  Crit=3721|4252|40.9%  Tick=1394
    incinerate            Count=113.1| 2.4sec  DPE=7090|53%  DPET=3985  DPR=14.6  Miss=0.1%  Hit=4773  Crit=9977|11828|44.6%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.7| 1.6sec  DPE=1983|23%  DPET=1279  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1968  Crit=3935|4197|13.3%  Glance=1476|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_00_40_31_DG  DPS=5828.6 (Error=+/-1.6 Range=+/-552)  DPR=20.7  RPS=281.4/212.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19353  mana=20722
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=13.9%  crit=16.8%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=11.1%  crit=12.4%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    conflagrate           Count= 24.6|11.2sec  DPE=8349|13%  DPET=6126  DPR=20.0  Miss=0.1%  Hit=5588  Crit=11679|14165|45.4%
    corruption            Count= 10.7|18.4sec  DPE=5374| 4%  DPET=3890  DPR= 9.9  Miss=0.1%  Tick=955
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.9|23.7sec  DPE=5896| 4%  DPET=4339  DPR=15.3  Miss=0.1%  Tick=537
    immolate              Count= 17.7|15.7sec  DPE=9521|11%  DPET=7457  DPR=16.1  Miss=0.1%  Hit=1921  Crit=4014|4677|42.7%  Tick=1507
    incinerate            Count= 85.2| 3.2sec  DPE=6849|36%  DPET=3812  DPR=14.1  Miss=0.1%  Hit=4457  Crit=9317|11238|49.3%
    soul_fire             Count= 15.9| 5.1sec  DPE=10691|11%  DPET=8212  DPR=34.2  Miss=0.1%  Hit=7153  Crit=14952|17988|45.4%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.7| 1.6sec  DPE=1984|22%  DPET=1279  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1968  Crit=3935|4197|13.3%  Glance=1476|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15_DG  DPS=5381.5 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-533)  DPR=15.4  RPS=349.0/291.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19353  mana=20722
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=13.9%  crit=16.8%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=11.1%  crit=12.4%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count= 11.0|17.7sec  DPE=5809| 4%  DPET=4205  DPR=10.7  Miss=0.1%  Tick=1033
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.3|56.3sec  DPE=14749| 4%  DPET=10676  DPR=25.5  Miss=0.1%  Tick=15720
    immolate              Count= 12.6|15.5sec  DPE=7769| 7%  DPET=6061  DPR=11.8  Miss=0.1%  Hit=1269  Crit=2652|3484|42.7%  Tick=1275
    immolation            Count=  5.0|63.6sec  DPE=14307| 5%  DPET=10545  DPR= 5.8  Miss=0.1%  Tick=1343
    shadow_bolt           Count= 89.9| 3.0sec  DPE=6675|41%  DPET=3377  DPR=10.2  Miss=0.1%  Hit=4381  Crit=9179|12258|47.9%
    soul_fire             Count= 22.7| 3.5sec  DPE=9438|14%  DPET=7259  DPR=27.1  Miss=0.1%  Hit=6316  Crit=13197|18770|45.4%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.8| 1.6sec  DPE=2092|25%  DPET=1349  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1971  Crit=3942|4197|18.6%  Glance=1478|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_03_52_16_DG  DPS=5458.3 (Error=+/-1.4 Range=+/-528)  DPR=16.2  RPS=337.1/280.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19353  mana=20722
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count= 10.9|17.7sec  DPE=5845| 4%  DPET=4231  DPR=11.5  Miss=0.0%  Tick=1036
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.3|56.4sec  DPE=14770| 4%  DPET=10690  DPR=27.1  Miss=0.0%  Tick=15700
    immolate              Count= 12.6|15.4sec  DPE=7895| 7%  DPET=6161  DPR=12.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1285  Crit=2686|3484|44.3%  Tick=1290
    immolation            Count=  5.0|63.5sec  DPE=14495| 5%  DPET=10687  DPR= 5.9  Miss=0.0%  Tick=1359
    shadow_bolt           Count= 90.3| 3.0sec  DPE=6760|41%  DPET=3419  DPR=10.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4381  Crit=9180|12258|49.6%
    soul_fire             Count= 22.9| 3.5sec  DPE=9682|15%  DPET=7441  DPR=29.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6404  Crit=13373|18770|47.0%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.8| 1.6sec  DPE=2099|25%  DPET=1354  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1971  Crit=3941|4197|19.0%  Glance=1478|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_05_13_53_DG  DPS=5987.8 (Error=+/-1.6 Range=+/-518)  DPR=23.2  RPS=257.9/194.2  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19196  mana=20558
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt            Count= 18.3|15.2sec  DPE=9000|10%  DPET=5373  DPR=37.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6030  Crit=12602|14632|45.2%
    conflagrate           Count= 25.1|11.1sec  DPE=9169|14%  DPET=6514  DPR=22.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5780  Crit=12077|14414|53.8%
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.7|24.3sec  DPE=6616| 5%  DPET=4677  DPR=18.2  Miss=0.0%  Tick=618
    immolate              Count= 18.9|14.9sec  DPE=9671|11%  DPET=7319  DPR=16.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1979  Crit=4137|4748|42.4%  Tick=1526
    incinerate            Count= 83.6| 3.2sec  DPE=7706|39%  DPET=4162  DPR=15.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5047  Crit=10548|12538|48.3%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.8| 1.6sec  DPE=1982|21%  DPET=1278  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1966  Crit=3933|4197|13.3%  Glance=1475|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DG  DPS=6159.2 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-539)  DPR=26.7  RPS=230.9/164.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19196  mana=20558
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt            Count= 15.1|16.3sec  DPE=8972| 8%  DPET=5203  DPR=36.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6012  Crit=12562|14632|45.2%
    conflagrate           Count= 25.1|11.1sec  DPE=8710|13%  DPET=6187  DPR=20.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5623  Crit=11753|14108|50.4%
    curse_of_agony        Count=  9.6|24.4sec  DPE=6930| 4%  DPET=4832  DPR=19.1  Miss=0.0%  Tick=617
    drain_soul            Count=  7.0| 8.1sec  DPE=35962|15%  DPET=6170  DPR=70.7  Miss=0.0%  Tick=12415
    immolate              Count= 18.7|15.0sec  DPE=9463|10%  DPET=7158  DPR=16.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1930  Crit=4034|4652|42.4%  Tick=1484
    incinerate            Count= 64.3| 3.3sec  DPE=7697|29%  DPET=3994  DPR=15.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5034  Crit=10521|12538|48.5%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.7| 1.6sec  DPE=1978|21%  DPET=1276  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1962  Crit=3925|4197|13.3%  Glance=1472|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG  DPS=6534.4 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-499)  DPR=22.8  RPS=286.6/220.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1186  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=17995  mana=20231
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  1.2|99.2sec  DPE=217318|14%  DPET=152132  DPR=427.5  Miss=0.0%  Tick=2319  CritTick=3583|4764|37.1%
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.7|23.9sec  DPE=9981| 7%  DPET=7984  DPR=27.5  Miss=0.0%  Tick=913
    drain_soul            Count=  7.8| 7.2sec  DPE=37070|16%  DPET=7220  DPR=72.9  Miss=0.0%  Tick=14673
    haunt                 Count= 21.2|13.2sec  DPE=3370| 4%  DPET=2548  DPR= 7.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2753  Crit=4269|5380|40.7%
    immolate              Count= 13.9|15.8sec  DPE=6790| 5%  DPET=5088  DPR=10.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1121  Crit=2343|2657|37.6%  Tick=1123
    shadow_bolt           Count= 64.0| 3.3sec  DPE=7114|25%  DPET=3397  DPR=10.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4778  Crit=9988|13073|44.8%
    unstable_affliction   Count= 17.9|15.5sec  DPE=9753|10%  DPET=7374  DPR=17.9  Miss=0.0%  Tick=1793  CritTick=2770|3652|37.1%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=176.8| 1.6sec  DPE=1956|19%  DPET=1261  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1941  Crit=3883|4143|13.3%  Glance=1456|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Mystearica · 03/01/09, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Really? Only for patchwerk? I find him useful for the entire spider wing, the entire plague wing, the entire DK wing, the entire abomination wing, and the final wing too. So tell me. Where isn't he usefu and practicall? I use him for Malygos as well.

How often do you have it for all those fights tho? Its on an hr cooldown so its practically a gimmick pet. If you're learning content or doing a dps test type fight (6min maly) you'll only have it for one attempt an hr, it's not something that can be relied on.

Eeks · 03/01/09, 3:30 PM

The DG is completely practical. The only problem is that he's not good for learning fights and what not since once you die he's gone for an hour. Usually, you can get 2 bosses out of him in Naxx in one summon.

Naforce · 03/01/09, 3:39 PM

You both seem to have missed the fact that in 3.1 you can have one practically all the time.
Also, I use mine when necessary. In 3.1, you can have him for learning fights if you can fix one that is, I'm not sure about the details but i remember reading about it.

ostoles · 03/01/09, 3:40 PM

In regard to doomguard viability, curse of doom procs and the change to enslave demon make it possible to maintain the pet near indefinitely assuming access to trash.

edit: beaten :/

• Zakalwe · 03/01/09, 3:47 PM

"While enslaved, the time between the demon's attacks is increased by 30% and its casting speed is slowed by 20%."

This means an enslaved doomguard will do about 23% less DPS than a summoned one.

Naforce · 03/01/09, 3:53 PM

Indeed. So say instead of going from a 200dps pet to a 800dps pet, you go from a 200dps to a 600 dps pet still restulting in a 400 dps gain. What numbers do you get from your simcraft, zakalwe, regarding pet's dps?

Eeks · 03/01/09, 3:56 PM

Regardless... Won't it still be rather annoying to get a procced DG out. You'd have to make your raid wait for CoD to make the killing blow and hope that it summons one.

Mystearica · 03/01/09, 3:57 PM

Well you need to get the killing blow on trash with CoD in the first place to even spawn one. But what are you going to do once trash is cleared & you're spamming attempts on something, you once again will only have as long as you're alive.

Also iirc Enslave Demon is only a 5min duration, which means depending on the fight you're also going to have to deal with re-enslaving it in the middle of attempts.

Naforce · 03/01/09, 4:01 PM

It's easy to proc a DG as long as there is trash. When there is no more trash, sad for you, thank god for dual specs.
ABout reenslaving the demons - Most locks have something in their UI that counts timers on dots. No problem seeing "oh, only 5 sec left" - you click your permade macro (/tar Doomguard /cast Enslave Demon) or something and you're done. Not that big of a deal really, it'l like keeping CoE up. How hard is that now..

Asmodaeus · 03/01/09, 4:07 PM

Can you try a destro spec that uses soul fires under backdraft, regardless of heroism pls? With the changes to drain soul and with destro drain soul executing, soul shards might not be a big problem even in wipe nights.

• Zakalwe · 03/01/09, 4:20 PM

Oops. Just found a major bug - backdraft wasn't being triggered at all for the destro specs. This makes a huge difference, of course. I'll have the OP updated soon.

EDIT: There we go - suddenly affliction seems like the gimped tree. I do want to point out that the drain soul execute is modeled with the full benefit of 15 affliction effects on the target, which probably isn't realistic in 3.1. But there's been blue comments suggesting that they're planning on changing the Soul Siphon talent anyway, so I'll leave it as it is for now.

ostoles · 03/01/09, 4:31 PM

Given the numbers previously posted, it does not make sense to further clutter posts with doomguards on specs aside from affliction and 7/13/51. Also, given the mention that the enslaved doomguards would be experiencing a 30% increase in attack speed I wanted to see exactly what that would mean for affliction and the aforementioned destruction spec. With the base attack speed of the doomguard being 2 seconds, this would increase to a 2.6 second swing. I made some modifications to the warlock module to handle a new pet class (doomguard_enslaved).

Edit: I have made an additional modification to the enslaved doomguard's melee attacks so they are more in line with a summoned doomguard. The below only takes into account the attack speed change associated with the enslave demon debuff and not any concerns about whether or not the doomguard scales with proc'd with doomguard.

Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DG  DPS=6151.4 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-596)  DPR=26.6  RPS=231.4/163.2  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19196  mana=20558
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt            Count= 15.0|16.2sec  DPE=8961| 8%  DPET=5198  DPR=36.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6005  Crit=12551|14632|45.2%
    conflagrate           Count= 24.9|11.1sec  DPE=8695|13%  DPET=6177  DPR=20.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5616  Crit=11734|14108|50.3%
    curse_of_agony        Count=  9.6|24.4sec  DPE=6922| 4%  DPET=4826  DPR=19.1  Miss=0.0%  Tick=617
    drain_soul            Count=  6.8| 8.0sec  DPE=36278|15%  DPET=6195  DPR=71.4  Miss=0.0%  Tick=12391
    immolate              Count= 18.5|15.0sec  DPE=9470|10%  DPET=7165  DPR=16.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1929  Crit=4030|4652|42.5%  Tick=1482
    incinerate            Count= 64.2| 3.3sec  DPE=7682|29%  DPET=3987  DPR=15.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5026  Crit=10508|12538|48.5%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=175.2| 1.6sec  DPE=1978|21%  DPET=1276  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1962  Crit=3925|4197|13.3%  Glance=1472|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DGE  DPS=5858.1 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-538)  DPR=25.3  RPS=231.5/163.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1257  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=19196  mana=20558
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt            Count= 15.0|16.2sec  DPE=8958| 8%  DPET=5195  DPR=36.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6006  Crit=12556|14632|45.1%
    conflagrate           Count= 24.9|11.1sec  DPE=8698|14%  DPET=6178  DPR=20.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5617  Crit=11735|14108|50.4%
    curse_of_agony        Count=  9.5|24.4sec  DPE=6929| 4%  DPET=4831  DPR=19.1  Miss=0.0%  Tick=617
    drain_soul            Count=  6.8| 8.0sec  DPE=36252|15%  DPET=6195  DPR=71.3  Miss=0.0%  Tick=12390
    immolate              Count= 18.5|15.0sec  DPE=9467|11%  DPET=7162  DPR=16.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1929  Crit=4032|4652|42.6%  Tick=1483
    incinerate            Count= 64.2| 3.3sec  DPE=7681|31%  DPET=3986  DPR=15.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5027  Crit=10508|12538|48.4%
   doomguard_enslaved
    doomguard_melee       Count=134.7| 2.0sec  DPE=1980|17%  DPET= 982  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1964  Crit=3929|4232|13.3%  Glance=1473|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG  DPS=6517.4 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-486)  DPR=22.6  RPS=287.8/220.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1186  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=17995  mana=20231
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  1.2|95.6sec  DPE=212531|14%  DPET=148823  DPR=418.1  Miss=0.0%  Tick=2316  CritTick=3578|4764|37.2%
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.7|23.9sec  DPE=9891| 7%  DPET=7913  DPR=27.2  Miss=0.0%  Tick=912
    drain_soul            Count=  7.6| 7.2sec  DPE=36814|16%  DPET=7273  DPR=72.4  Miss=0.0%  Tick=14669
    haunt                 Count= 21.1|13.2sec  DPE=3370| 4%  DPET=2548  DPR= 7.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2749  Crit=4263|5380|41.0%
    immolate              Count= 13.9|15.7sec  DPE=6777| 5%  DPET=5077  DPR=10.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1120  Crit=2342|2657|37.7%  Tick=1122
    shadow_bolt           Count= 63.9| 3.3sec  DPE=7110|26%  DPET=3395  DPR=10.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4771  Crit=9974|13073|45.0%
    unstable_affliction   Count= 17.7|15.6sec  DPE=9758|10%  DPET=7379  DPR=17.9  Miss=0.0%  Tick=1791  CritTick=2767|3652|37.2%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=175.2| 1.6sec  DPE=1957|19%  DPET=1263  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1941  Crit=3883|4143|13.3%  Glance=1456|23.9%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DGE  DPS=6225.1 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-541)  DPR=21.6  RPS=287.8/220.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=59  agility=61  stamina=1186  intellect=968  spirit=541  health=17995  mana=20231
  Spell Stats:  power=2000  hit=11.1%  crit=18.4%  penetration=0  haste=15.2%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=737  hit=8.8%  crit=14.1%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0  haste=15.2%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  1.2|100.8sec  DPE=213699|15%  DPET=149606  DPR=420.4  Miss=0.0%  Tick=2316  CritTick=3578|4764|37.1%
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.7|23.9sec  DPE=9892| 7%  DPET=7914  DPR=27.2  Miss=0.0%  Tick=912
    drain_soul            Count=  7.6| 7.2sec  DPE=36831|17%  DPET=7273  DPR=72.4  Miss=0.0%  Tick=14670
    haunt                 Count= 21.0|13.2sec  DPE=3367| 4%  DPET=2545  DPR= 7.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2749  Crit=4263|5380|40.8%
    immolate              Count= 13.9|15.7sec  DPE=6779| 6%  DPET=5080  DPR=10.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1120  Crit=2341|2657|37.6%  Tick=1122
    shadow_bolt           Count= 63.9| 3.3sec  DPE=7107|27%  DPET=3394  DPR=10.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4772  Crit=9974|13073|44.9%
    unstable_affliction   Count= 17.7|15.6sec  DPE=9746|10%  DPET=7371  DPR=17.9  Miss=0.0%  Tick=1791  CritTick=2767|3652|37.1%
   doomguard_enslaved
    doomguard_melee       Count=134.6| 2.0sec  DPE=1956|15%  DPET= 971  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1941  Crit=3883|4172|13.3%  Glance=1456|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Xeephran · 03/01/09, 4:57 PM

@Zakalwe:

Both your deep destruction specs have 2 points in fel synergie. It was mentioned several times in this thread that since the increase in health restoration to your pet isn' that big, 1 point in that specific talent should be enough. That leaves you with 1 more talent point to spend in fel vitality, which should increase personal dps (more mana) as well as pet dps (more health and more mana). Could you please run the simulation for those 2 specs with this change again?

Edit: Also, its fascinating to see how close those specs are dps wise. Blizzard really nailed it in this patch it seems. It would be interesting to see if 200% dot crit damage will put deep affliction in the same dps bracket as the rest of the specs, basically allowing everyone to choose the spec they like to play most without the fear of playing a gimped dps spec.

Shabaz · 03/01/09, 5:02 PM

This is all fantastically cool! TY Zal! (and again...look at how close the specs are....bring the player not the toon is ringing in my head)

Naforce · 03/01/09, 5:03 PM

Somebody did a test with 200% dot crits, it ended up just short of 6k. So the specs are soo close, really god job there blizz.
@Xeepran
Simcraft assumes your pet has infinite mana, so pet dps would be the same there. Though personal dps would change a little!

Malathar · 03/01/09, 5:05 PM

Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG

Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DGE

I might be reading this wrong, but how exactly does an enslaved doomguard have a higher DPE, hit/crit dmg when an enslaved doomguard doesn't scale like a summoned one?

Also is that saying their swing times are 1.6 and 2.0? Why is this? DO they scale with your haste? If they do, then the enslaved one would not.

• Zakalwe · 03/01/09, 5:13 PM

The last point in fel vitality results in just a 2-3 DPS increase, so not really significant.

And yes, tweaking the code to give 200% dot crit damage does put the affliction profile exactly on par with 0/40/31, leaving us with 7 viable specs that are all within 200 DPS of each other. Hopefully they'll make that change.

• Zakalwe · 03/01/09, 5:17 PM

Originally Posted by Malathar

Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG

Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DGE

I might be reading this wrong, but how exactly does an enslaved doomguard have a higher DPE, hit/crit dmg when an enslaved doomguard doesn't scale like a summoned one?

Also is that saying their swing times are 1.6 and 2.0? Why is this? DO they scale with your haste? If they do, then the enslaved one would not.

Do we have conclusive proof that enslaved doomguards don't scale with our stats? I know they did in 2.4.

Pets don't scale with our haste, but they do get raid haste buffs, including heroism, so that accounts for the swing times. But yes, there does seem to be something wrong with ostoles' code which is causing the much higher damage per swing.

wickedwally · 03/01/09, 5:22 PM

It is my understanding that a summoned doomguard is still considered an enslaved demon, this is the reason why fg/emberstorm specs dont benefit from using the dg. so i really don't understand why there's 2 versions up for affliction. the summoned doomguard and the enslaved doomguard should both be suffering from the same penalties, though i think i read with the removal of the talent point, they were lowering the penalties greatly

Rookz · 03/01/09, 5:27 PM

That leave's one question to me ... which spec do you think will profit the most from future gear (Ulduar and beyond)?

Naforce · 03/01/09, 5:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rookz

That leave's one question to me ... which spec do you think will profit the most from future gear (Ulduar and beyond)?

Check the scaling factors and you have your answer. I'm guessing affliction if it gets it 200% dot crit or deep destro.

Eeks · 03/01/09, 5:34 PM

What I'm curious about... what stats does it take for keeping the glyph of life tap's buff up as part of your rotation to be a dps increase in affliction (Any excuse to worry about something else)

• Zakalwe · 03/01/09, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by wickedwally

It is my understanding that a summoned doomguard is still considered an enslaved demon, this is the reason why fg/emberstorm specs dont benefit from using the dg. so i really don't understand why there's 2 versions up for affliction. the summoned doomguard and the enslaved doomguard should both be suffering from the same penalties, though i think i read with the removal of the talent point, they were lowering the penalties greatly

This is not true - summoned doomguards get no swing time penalty. FG/Emberstorm specs don't benefit from the DG because the felguard does higher DPS than the doomguard, not to mention the felguard's MD buff.