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03/01/09, 3:23 PM
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#226
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Sedona
I find tests with the Doomguard to be problematic since the Doomguard isn't a practical pet for many fights. As I see it, he's only useful currently for Patchwerk. Will he really be viable for fights in Ulduar? In my opinion, probably not. So are people really going to spec 54/0/17 just to top the meters in one fight?
These parses do show most of the specs to be very close to one another. In my opinion, all specs are currently competitive, which is a good thing. So I think 54/0/17 will still be a spec that people will take considering that it is still competitive regardless and has the potential to become the top spec with the Doomguard.
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Really? Only for patchwerk? I find him useful for the entire spider wing, the entire plague wing, the entire DK wing, the entire abomination wing, and the final wing too. So tell me. Where isn't he usefu and practicall? I use him for Malygos as well.
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03/01/09, 3:28 PM
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#227
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Von Kaiser
Ostoles
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Naforce
The FG specs loose dps by using a doomguard, the deep destro specs has spent so many points on improving the imp the dps gain would be small. Although, please do the same test with all non-FG specs!
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I do agree with the statements above, full destro or hybrid demo/destro is giving up a lot to use the doomguard. However, for completeness-- I have included a variation on the current specs with a doomguard using revision 1612 of simcraft. The profiles for these particular specs are default with only the pet being modified.
Damage breakdown:

Player=Warlock_T8_00_30_41_DG DPS=5504.5 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-520) DPR=19.7 RPS=279.8/211.1 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19196 mana=20558
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=13.9% crit=16.8% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=11.1% crit=12.4% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
conflagrate Count= 25.8|10.8sec DPE=7627|13% DPET=5593 DPR=18.3 Miss=0.1% Hit=5179 Crit=10825|12877|43.4%
immolate Count= 18.9|14.9sec DPE=8762|11% DPET=6863 DPR=14.8 Miss=0.1% Hit=1780 Crit=3721|4252|40.9% Tick=1394
incinerate Count=113.1| 2.4sec DPE=7090|53% DPET=3985 DPR=14.6 Miss=0.1% Hit=4773 Crit=9977|11828|44.6%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.7| 1.6sec DPE=1983|23% DPET=1279 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1968 Crit=3935|4197|13.3% Glance=1476|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_00_40_31_DG DPS=5828.6 (Error=+/-1.6 Range=+/-552) DPR=20.7 RPS=281.4/212.3 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=13.9% crit=16.8% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=11.1% crit=12.4% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
conflagrate Count= 24.6|11.2sec DPE=8349|13% DPET=6126 DPR=20.0 Miss=0.1% Hit=5588 Crit=11679|14165|45.4%
corruption Count= 10.7|18.4sec DPE=5374| 4% DPET=3890 DPR= 9.9 Miss=0.1% Tick=955
curse_of_agony Count= 11.9|23.7sec DPE=5896| 4% DPET=4339 DPR=15.3 Miss=0.1% Tick=537
immolate Count= 17.7|15.7sec DPE=9521|11% DPET=7457 DPR=16.1 Miss=0.1% Hit=1921 Crit=4014|4677|42.7% Tick=1507
incinerate Count= 85.2| 3.2sec DPE=6849|36% DPET=3812 DPR=14.1 Miss=0.1% Hit=4457 Crit=9317|11238|49.3%
soul_fire Count= 15.9| 5.1sec DPE=10691|11% DPET=8212 DPR=34.2 Miss=0.1% Hit=7153 Crit=14952|17988|45.4%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.7| 1.6sec DPE=1984|22% DPET=1279 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1968 Crit=3935|4197|13.3% Glance=1476|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15_DG DPS=5381.5 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-533) DPR=15.4 RPS=349.0/291.0 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=13.9% crit=16.8% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=11.1% crit=12.4% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
corruption Count= 11.0|17.7sec DPE=5809| 4% DPET=4205 DPR=10.7 Miss=0.1% Tick=1033
curse_of_doom Count= 4.3|56.3sec DPE=14749| 4% DPET=10676 DPR=25.5 Miss=0.1% Tick=15720
immolate Count= 12.6|15.5sec DPE=7769| 7% DPET=6061 DPR=11.8 Miss=0.1% Hit=1269 Crit=2652|3484|42.7% Tick=1275
immolation Count= 5.0|63.6sec DPE=14307| 5% DPET=10545 DPR= 5.8 Miss=0.1% Tick=1343
shadow_bolt Count= 89.9| 3.0sec DPE=6675|41% DPET=3377 DPR=10.2 Miss=0.1% Hit=4381 Crit=9179|12258|47.9%
soul_fire Count= 22.7| 3.5sec DPE=9438|14% DPET=7259 DPR=27.1 Miss=0.1% Hit=6316 Crit=13197|18770|45.4%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.8| 1.6sec DPE=2092|25% DPET=1349 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1971 Crit=3942|4197|18.6% Glance=1478|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_03_52_16_DG DPS=5458.3 (Error=+/-1.4 Range=+/-528) DPR=16.2 RPS=337.1/280.0 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
corruption Count= 10.9|17.7sec DPE=5845| 4% DPET=4231 DPR=11.5 Miss=0.0% Tick=1036
curse_of_doom Count= 4.3|56.4sec DPE=14770| 4% DPET=10690 DPR=27.1 Miss=0.0% Tick=15700
immolate Count= 12.6|15.4sec DPE=7895| 7% DPET=6161 DPR=12.5 Miss=0.0% Hit=1285 Crit=2686|3484|44.3% Tick=1290
immolation Count= 5.0|63.5sec DPE=14495| 5% DPET=10687 DPR= 5.9 Miss=0.0% Tick=1359
shadow_bolt Count= 90.3| 3.0sec DPE=6760|41% DPET=3419 DPR=10.7 Miss=0.0% Hit=4381 Crit=9180|12258|49.6%
soul_fire Count= 22.9| 3.5sec DPE=9682|15% DPET=7441 DPR=29.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=6404 Crit=13373|18770|47.0%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.8| 1.6sec DPE=2099|25% DPET=1354 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1971 Crit=3941|4197|19.0% Glance=1478|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_05_13_53_DG DPS=5987.8 (Error=+/-1.6 Range=+/-518) DPR=23.2 RPS=257.9/194.2 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19196 mana=20558
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
chaos_bolt Count= 18.3|15.2sec DPE=9000|10% DPET=5373 DPR=37.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=6030 Crit=12602|14632|45.2%
conflagrate Count= 25.1|11.1sec DPE=9169|14% DPET=6514 DPR=22.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=5780 Crit=12077|14414|53.8%
curse_of_agony Count= 11.7|24.3sec DPE=6616| 5% DPET=4677 DPR=18.2 Miss=0.0% Tick=618
immolate Count= 18.9|14.9sec DPE=9671|11% DPET=7319 DPR=16.4 Miss=0.0% Hit=1979 Crit=4137|4748|42.4% Tick=1526
incinerate Count= 83.6| 3.2sec DPE=7706|39% DPET=4162 DPR=15.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5047 Crit=10548|12538|48.3%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.8| 1.6sec DPE=1982|21% DPET=1278 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1966 Crit=3933|4197|13.3% Glance=1475|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DG DPS=6159.2 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-539) DPR=26.7 RPS=230.9/164.1 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19196 mana=20558
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
chaos_bolt Count= 15.1|16.3sec DPE=8972| 8% DPET=5203 DPR=36.9 Miss=0.0% Hit=6012 Crit=12562|14632|45.2%
conflagrate Count= 25.1|11.1sec DPE=8710|13% DPET=6187 DPR=20.9 Miss=0.0% Hit=5623 Crit=11753|14108|50.4%
curse_of_agony Count= 9.6|24.4sec DPE=6930| 4% DPET=4832 DPR=19.1 Miss=0.0% Tick=617
drain_soul Count= 7.0| 8.1sec DPE=35962|15% DPET=6170 DPR=70.7 Miss=0.0% Tick=12415
immolate Count= 18.7|15.0sec DPE=9463|10% DPET=7158 DPR=16.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1930 Crit=4034|4652|42.4% Tick=1484
incinerate Count= 64.3| 3.3sec DPE=7697|29% DPET=3994 DPR=15.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5034 Crit=10521|12538|48.5%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.7| 1.6sec DPE=1978|21% DPET=1276 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1962 Crit=3925|4197|13.3% Glance=1472|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG DPS=6534.4 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-499) DPR=22.8 RPS=286.6/220.3 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1186 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=17995 mana=20231
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
corruption Count= 1.2|99.2sec DPE=217318|14% DPET=152132 DPR=427.5 Miss=0.0% Tick=2319 CritTick=3583|4764|37.1%
curse_of_agony Count= 11.7|23.9sec DPE=9981| 7% DPET=7984 DPR=27.5 Miss=0.0% Tick=913
drain_soul Count= 7.8| 7.2sec DPE=37070|16% DPET=7220 DPR=72.9 Miss=0.0% Tick=14673
haunt Count= 21.2|13.2sec DPE=3370| 4% DPET=2548 DPR= 7.7 Miss=0.0% Hit=2753 Crit=4269|5380|40.7%
immolate Count= 13.9|15.8sec DPE=6790| 5% DPET=5088 DPR=10.3 Miss=0.0% Hit=1121 Crit=2343|2657|37.6% Tick=1123
shadow_bolt Count= 64.0| 3.3sec DPE=7114|25% DPET=3397 DPR=10.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=4778 Crit=9988|13073|44.8%
unstable_affliction Count= 17.9|15.5sec DPE=9753|10% DPET=7374 DPR=17.9 Miss=0.0% Tick=1793 CritTick=2770|3652|37.1%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=176.8| 1.6sec DPE=1956|19% DPET=1261 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1941 Crit=3883|4143|13.3% Glance=1456|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
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03/01/09, 3:29 PM
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#228
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Magtheridon
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Originally Posted by Naforce
Really? Only for patchwerk? I find him useful for the entire spider wing, the entire plague wing, the entire DK wing, the entire abomination wing, and the final wing too. So tell me. Where isn't he usefu and practicall? I use him for Malygos as well.
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How often do you have it for all those fights tho? Its on an hr cooldown so its practically a gimmick pet. If you're learning content or doing a dps test type fight (6min maly) you'll only have it for one attempt an hr, it's not something that can be relied on.
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03/01/09, 3:30 PM
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#229
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Von Kaiser
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The DG is completely practical. The only problem is that he's not good for learning fights and what not since once you die he's gone for an hour. Usually, you can get 2 bosses out of him in Naxx in one summon.
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03/01/09, 3:39 PM
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#230
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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You both seem to have missed the fact that in 3.1 you can have one practically all the time.
Also, I use mine when necessary. In 3.1, you can have him for learning fights if you can fix one that is, I'm not sure about the details but i remember reading about it.
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03/01/09, 3:40 PM
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#231
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Von Kaiser
Ostoles
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account
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In regard to doomguard viability, curse of doom procs and the change to enslave demon make it possible to maintain the pet near indefinitely assuming access to trash.
edit: beaten :/
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03/01/09, 3:47 PM
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#232
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The Chairmaker
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"While enslaved, the time between the demon's attacks is increased by 30% and its casting speed is slowed by 20%."
This means an enslaved doomguard will do about 23% less DPS than a summoned one.
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03/01/09, 3:53 PM
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#233
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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Indeed. So say instead of going from a 200dps pet to a 800dps pet, you go from a 200dps to a 600 dps pet still restulting in a 400 dps gain. What numbers do you get from your simcraft, zakalwe, regarding pet's dps?
Last edited by Naforce : 03/01/09 at 4:00 PM.
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03/01/09, 3:56 PM
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#234
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Von Kaiser
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Regardless... Won't it still be rather annoying to get a procced DG out. You'd have to make your raid wait for CoD to make the killing blow and hope that it summons one.
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03/01/09, 3:57 PM
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#235
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Magtheridon
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Well you need to get the killing blow on trash with CoD in the first place to even spawn one. But what are you going to do once trash is cleared & you're spamming attempts on something, you once again will only have as long as you're alive.
Also iirc Enslave Demon is only a 5min duration, which means depending on the fight you're also going to have to deal with re-enslaving it in the middle of attempts.
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03/01/09, 4:01 PM
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#236
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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It's easy to proc a DG as long as there is trash. When there is no more trash, sad for you, thank god for dual specs.
ABout reenslaving the demons - Most locks have something in their UI that counts timers on dots. No problem seeing "oh, only 5 sec left" - you click your permade macro (/tar Doomguard /cast Enslave Demon) or something and you're done. Not that big of a deal really, it'l like keeping CoE up. How hard is that now..
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03/01/09, 4:07 PM
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#237
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Executus (EU)
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Can you try a destro spec that uses soul fires under backdraft, regardless of heroism pls? With the changes to drain soul and with destro drain soul executing, soul shards might not be a big problem even in wipe nights.
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03/01/09, 4:20 PM
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#238
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The Chairmaker
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Oops. Just found a major bug - backdraft wasn't being triggered at all for the destro specs. This makes a huge difference, of course. I'll have the OP updated soon.
EDIT: There we go - suddenly affliction seems like the gimped tree. I do want to point out that the drain soul execute is modeled with the full benefit of 15 affliction effects on the target, which probably isn't realistic in 3.1. But there's been blue comments suggesting that they're planning on changing the Soul Siphon talent anyway, so I'll leave it as it is for now.
Last edited by Zakalwe : 03/01/09 at 4:30 PM.
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03/01/09, 4:31 PM
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#239
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Von Kaiser
Ostoles
Gnome Warlock
No WoW Account
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Given the numbers previously posted, it does not make sense to further clutter posts with doomguards on specs aside from affliction and 7/13/51. Also, given the mention that the enslaved doomguards would be experiencing a 30% increase in attack speed I wanted to see exactly what that would mean for affliction and the aforementioned destruction spec. With the base attack speed of the doomguard being 2 seconds, this would increase to a 2.6 second swing. I made some modifications to the warlock module to handle a new pet class (doomguard_enslaved).
Edit: I have made an additional modification to the enslaved doomguard's melee attacks so they are more in line with a summoned doomguard. The below only takes into account the attack speed change associated with the enslave demon debuff and not any concerns about whether or not the doomguard scales with proc'd with doomguard.

Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DG DPS=6151.4 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-596) DPR=26.6 RPS=231.4/163.2 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19196 mana=20558
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
chaos_bolt Count= 15.0|16.2sec DPE=8961| 8% DPET=5198 DPR=36.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=6005 Crit=12551|14632|45.2%
conflagrate Count= 24.9|11.1sec DPE=8695|13% DPET=6177 DPR=20.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5616 Crit=11734|14108|50.3%
curse_of_agony Count= 9.6|24.4sec DPE=6922| 4% DPET=4826 DPR=19.1 Miss=0.0% Tick=617
drain_soul Count= 6.8| 8.0sec DPE=36278|15% DPET=6195 DPR=71.4 Miss=0.0% Tick=12391
immolate Count= 18.5|15.0sec DPE=9470|10% DPET=7165 DPR=16.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1929 Crit=4030|4652|42.5% Tick=1482
incinerate Count= 64.2| 3.3sec DPE=7682|29% DPET=3987 DPR=15.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5026 Crit=10508|12538|48.5%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=175.2| 1.6sec DPE=1978|21% DPET=1276 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1962 Crit=3925|4197|13.3% Glance=1472|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_07_13_51_DGE DPS=5858.1 (Error=+/-1.5 Range=+/-538) DPR=25.3 RPS=231.5/163.3 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19196 mana=20558
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
chaos_bolt Count= 15.0|16.2sec DPE=8958| 8% DPET=5195 DPR=36.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=6006 Crit=12556|14632|45.1%
conflagrate Count= 24.9|11.1sec DPE=8698|14% DPET=6178 DPR=20.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5617 Crit=11735|14108|50.4%
curse_of_agony Count= 9.5|24.4sec DPE=6929| 4% DPET=4831 DPR=19.1 Miss=0.0% Tick=617
drain_soul Count= 6.8| 8.0sec DPE=36252|15% DPET=6195 DPR=71.3 Miss=0.0% Tick=12390
immolate Count= 18.5|15.0sec DPE=9467|11% DPET=7162 DPR=16.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1929 Crit=4032|4652|42.6% Tick=1483
incinerate Count= 64.2| 3.3sec DPE=7681|31% DPET=3986 DPR=15.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=5027 Crit=10508|12538|48.4%
doomguard_enslaved
doomguard_melee Count=134.7| 2.0sec DPE=1980|17% DPET= 982 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1964 Crit=3929|4232|13.3% Glance=1473|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG DPS=6517.4 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-486) DPR=22.6 RPS=287.8/220.7 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1186 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=17995 mana=20231
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
corruption Count= 1.2|95.6sec DPE=212531|14% DPET=148823 DPR=418.1 Miss=0.0% Tick=2316 CritTick=3578|4764|37.2%
curse_of_agony Count= 11.7|23.9sec DPE=9891| 7% DPET=7913 DPR=27.2 Miss=0.0% Tick=912
drain_soul Count= 7.6| 7.2sec DPE=36814|16% DPET=7273 DPR=72.4 Miss=0.0% Tick=14669
haunt Count= 21.1|13.2sec DPE=3370| 4% DPET=2548 DPR= 7.7 Miss=0.0% Hit=2749 Crit=4263|5380|41.0%
immolate Count= 13.9|15.7sec DPE=6777| 5% DPET=5077 DPR=10.3 Miss=0.0% Hit=1120 Crit=2342|2657|37.7% Tick=1122
shadow_bolt Count= 63.9| 3.3sec DPE=7110|26% DPET=3395 DPR=10.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=4771 Crit=9974|13073|45.0%
unstable_affliction Count= 17.7|15.6sec DPE=9758|10% DPET=7379 DPR=17.9 Miss=0.0% Tick=1791 CritTick=2767|3652|37.2%
doomguard
doomguard_melee Count=175.2| 1.6sec DPE=1957|19% DPET=1263 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1941 Crit=3883|4143|13.3% Glance=1456|23.9% Dodge=6.5%
Player=Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DGE DPS=6225.1 (Error=+/-1.3 Range=+/-541) DPR=21.6 RPS=287.8/220.7 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1186 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=17995 mana=20231
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%
Actions:
corruption Count= 1.2|100.8sec DPE=213699|15% DPET=149606 DPR=420.4 Miss=0.0% Tick=2316 CritTick=3578|4764|37.1%
curse_of_agony Count= 11.7|23.9sec DPE=9892| 7% DPET=7914 DPR=27.2 Miss=0.0% Tick=912
drain_soul Count= 7.6| 7.2sec DPE=36831|17% DPET=7273 DPR=72.4 Miss=0.0% Tick=14670
haunt Count= 21.0|13.2sec DPE=3367| 4% DPET=2545 DPR= 7.7 Miss=0.0% Hit=2749 Crit=4263|5380|40.8%
immolate Count= 13.9|15.7sec DPE=6779| 6% DPET=5080 DPR=10.3 Miss=0.0% Hit=1120 Crit=2341|2657|37.6% Tick=1122
shadow_bolt Count= 63.9| 3.3sec DPE=7107|27% DPET=3394 DPR=10.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=4772 Crit=9974|13073|44.9%
unstable_affliction Count= 17.7|15.6sec DPE=9746|10% DPET=7371 DPR=17.9 Miss=0.0% Tick=1791 CritTick=2767|3652|37.1%
doomguard_enslaved
doomguard_melee Count=134.6| 2.0sec DPE=1956|15% DPET= 971 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1941 Crit=3883|4172|13.3% Glance=1456|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Last edited by ostoles : 03/01/09 at 6:48 PM.
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03/01/09, 4:57 PM
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#240
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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@Zakalwe:
Both your deep destruction specs have 2 points in fel synergie. It was mentioned several times in this thread that since the increase in health restoration to your pet isn' that big, 1 point in that specific talent should be enough. That leaves you with 1 more talent point to spend in fel vitality, which should increase personal dps (more mana) as well as pet dps (more health and more mana). Could you please run the simulation for those 2 specs with this change again?
Edit: Also, its fascinating to see how close those specs are dps wise. Blizzard really nailed it in this patch it seems. It would be interesting to see if 200% dot crit damage will put deep affliction in the same dps bracket as the rest of the specs, basically allowing everyone to choose the spec they like to play most without the fear of playing a gimped dps spec.
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03/01/09, 5:02 PM
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#241
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Von Kaiser
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This is all fantastically cool! TY Zal! (and again...look at how close the specs are....bring the player not the toon is ringing in my head)
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03/01/09, 5:03 PM
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#242
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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Somebody did a test with 200% dot crits, it ended up just short of 6k. So the specs are soo close, really god job there blizz.
@Xeepran
Simcraft assumes your pet has infinite mana, so pet dps would be the same there. Though personal dps would change a little!
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03/01/09, 5:05 PM
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#243
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Glass Joe
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doomguard_melee Count=174.8| 1.6sec DPE=1956|19% DPET=1262 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=1941 Crit=3882|4143|13.3% Glance=1456|23.9% Dodge=6.5%
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doomguard_melee Count=134.3| 2.0sec DPE=2286|18% DPET=1135 DPR= 1.$ Miss=0.0% Hit=2267 Crit=4534|4873|13.3% Glance=1700|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
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I might be reading this wrong, but how exactly does an enslaved doomguard have a higher DPE, hit/crit dmg when an enslaved doomguard doesn't scale like a summoned one?
Also is that saying their swing times are 1.6 and 2.0? Why is this? DO they scale with your haste? If they do, then the enslaved one would not.
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03/01/09, 5:13 PM
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#244
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The Chairmaker
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The last point in fel vitality results in just a 2-3 DPS increase, so not really significant.
And yes, tweaking the code to give 200% dot crit damage does put the affliction profile exactly on par with 0/40/31, leaving us with 7 viable specs that are all within 200 DPS of each other. Hopefully they'll make that change.
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03/01/09, 5:17 PM
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#245
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The Chairmaker
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Originally Posted by Malathar
Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DG
Warlock_T8_54_00_17_DGE
I might be reading this wrong, but how exactly does an enslaved doomguard have a higher DPE, hit/crit dmg when an enslaved doomguard doesn't scale like a summoned one?
Also is that saying their swing times are 1.6 and 2.0? Why is this? DO they scale with your haste? If they do, then the enslaved one would not.
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Do we have conclusive proof that enslaved doomguards don't scale with our stats? I know they did in 2.4.
Pets don't scale with our haste, but they do get raid haste buffs, including heroism, so that accounts for the swing times. But yes, there does seem to be something wrong with ostoles' code which is causing the much higher damage per swing.
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03/01/09, 5:22 PM
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#246
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Glass Joe
Undead Warlock
Laughing Skull
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enslaved vs. summoned doomguard
It is my understanding that a summoned doomguard is still considered an enslaved demon, this is the reason why fg/emberstorm specs dont benefit from using the dg. so i really don't understand why there's 2 versions up for affliction. the summoned doomguard and the enslaved doomguard should both be suffering from the same penalties, though i think i read with the removal of the talent point, they were lowering the penalties greatly
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03/01/09, 5:27 PM
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#247
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Warlock
Frostwolf (EU)
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That leave's one question to me ... which spec do you think will profit the most from future gear (Ulduar and beyond)?
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03/01/09, 5:31 PM
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#248
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Rookz
That leave's one question to me ... which spec do you think will profit the most from future gear (Ulduar and beyond)?
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Check the scaling factors and you have your answer. I'm guessing affliction if it gets it 200% dot crit or deep destro.
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03/01/09, 5:34 PM
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#249
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Von Kaiser
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What I'm curious about... what stats does it take for keeping the glyph of life tap's buff up as part of your rotation to be a dps increase in affliction (Any excuse to worry about something else)
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03/01/09, 5:37 PM
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#250
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The Chairmaker
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Originally Posted by wickedwally
It is my understanding that a summoned doomguard is still considered an enslaved demon, this is the reason why fg/emberstorm specs dont benefit from using the dg. so i really don't understand why there's 2 versions up for affliction. the summoned doomguard and the enslaved doomguard should both be suffering from the same penalties, though i think i read with the removal of the talent point, they were lowering the penalties greatly
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This is not true - summoned doomguards get no swing time penalty. FG/Emberstorm specs don't benefit from the DG because the felguard does higher DPS than the doomguard, not to mention the felguard's MD buff.
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