When you do get around to posting them... could you post hit scaling as well? Thanks a ton!

Turns out the destro profile actually gains quite a bit of DPS by dropping suppression in favor of soul leech and improved soul leech. Since this is a raid buff as well, I'm making that change now - updating the OP in a sec.

My guess is that he has better gear than what the simulator uses for testing.

If we take Maalakai's 3/13/55 spec as baseline for deep destro (and I believe we do), I am curious to see where those 3 points in Suppression should go as hit rating increases.

We don't yet know how much hit is available on Ulduar gear, so it's difficult to assess whether that 3% is better served by gear or talents, but knowing what kind of DPS increase the options provide would be worthwhile.

As I see it, the two options would be 0/18/53 or 0/13/55.

I know that the 0/18/53 is going to be around 1% to 1.5% more damage (12% more damage on imp, which contributes about 10% to 15% of total), but how many GCDs is ImpSL saving? I realize this is highly dependent on the average length of fights in Ulduar.

I just ran a quick test comparing 18/53 to 13/58, and 13/58 wins by 5-10 DPS. The fights I'm modeling here are 5 minutes long.

And the 13/58 build has the advantage of potentially buffing every one's dps in the raid depending on your comp. That one extra replenish might be nice for 10 mans with odd comps.

Yes. That was very much the way I was thinking as well. Also, thanks for the quick reply, Zakalwe. Your work in this thread is sterling

Scaling factors updated.

Thanks Zakalwe.

Do you think keeping the life tap glyph's effect up would boost affliction's dps at all? I'm not completely sure but even lifetapping every 20 seconds may still result in you using more mana than you're gaining.

Hey zakalwe, whats the +/- on running SF during BD instead of Incin?

How would the imp-glyph compare to any of these? I guess the conflagrate glyph is mandatory.

It is possible to include lag as a negative scaling factor as well? (sc_scaling.cpp)

The Demonology heavy builds shift damage from actions with lag to autoattack like damage, which do not depend on lag.

I just found another relatively major bug - the life tap glyph wasn't being triggered. The fix results in a pretty big boost to the affliction profile. OP has been updated, but I still need to go through the other specs and test if the life tap glyph is better than the current choices.

EDIT: Turns out deep demo specs should be using life tap glyph over meta glyph, at least for the fight length I'm modeling.

How's the felguard mana consumption with 3-52-16? Is it worth swapping the 1 point in cataclysm to mana feed?

@ Zakalwe:

0/13/58 took a serious hit in your latest updates, down to the bottom of the list again. How come? Surely the glyphs you were checking last didn't boost all other specs that much?

Yet another bug found and fixed - Pyroclasm had a bug that caused it to be up 100% of the time. With a more realistic 37% pyroclasm uptime, destro once again falls to the bottom of the charts. All specs are within a 250 DPS range now though - that's well below 5% variance.

EDIT: OP updated.

I maybe found one bug in the simulation:

Currently it is implemented that the dots are ready to cast, if the debuff expires.

From theoretical point of view is correct, but there is a additional penalty from gameplay: The communication from server to the client that the dots expires (one or two times a lag duration) and that the client displays it on the screen.
I remember that the original GUI from Blizzard some time ago scans the debuffs every second. But I am not sure, if the problem with the Blizzard original GUI still persists.

You have to "wait" or casting something different, because you do not want to overwrite the last tick.

As a consequence, dots with a casttime starts to cast, if the debuff expires, there is an additional gap between the two dots, which can be prevented by gameplay, if you simply start the cast earlier. (This is already implemented in action_t::ready().)

Fix: Implement that the dots are ready to cast, if the expiration time of the dot minus the casttime of the dot plus two times lag duration is less or equal than sim -> current_time. I neglect the time the client needs to show the expiration of the dot on the screen.

Zak:

I don't know if this has any bearing on the simulations, but the link for your 54/0/17 build takes you to a 52/0/19

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

52/0/19

I'm just curious what the 54/0/17 spec. is. Other than 1 more point in eradication I can't see anything worth putting another point into affliction.

Could someone do a Felguard / destruction build (i.e. like the 0/41/30 build in the OP) but that doesn't contain Soul Fire in the rotation? I know it's good DPS and Drain Soul gives more shards than it used to, but that rotation is still really shard heavy. It wouldn't work for a fight like Sarth3D if you were wiping for example.

Basically I'm curious what kind of DPS a full demo or partial demo build would do without using Soul Fire.

Decimation doesn't consume a Soul Shard to cast Soul Fire.

The simulation has actually been using a 53/0/18 spec - I just forgot to update the profile name and link. I've updated them now.

Oh? Wow then. Odd that it doesn't mention that in the tooltip.