SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 122

~Thalia~ · 11/30/10, 12:08 PM

Gcd caps at 50% haste, being reduced to 1 sec.

But for a 2.5 sec cast to reach the gcd (theorical haste hard cap for SB), you'll need 150% haste which is of course impossible to reach. It would be 4918.5 haste rating at level 80.

Edited for clarity regarding wasniahC 's post below

wasniahC · 12/01/10, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by ~Thalia~

Gcd caps at 50% haste, being reduced to 1 sec.

But for a 2.5 sec cast to reach the gcd (theorical haste hard cap), you'll need 150% haste which is of course impossible to reach. It would be 4918.5 haste rating at level 80.

Even then, it will continue to boost the DPE of dots, so haste will continue to provide dps - Likely not the highest DPS, at that point, but a hard cap doesn't really exist as such any more, with the change for haste with dots

Enigmafury · 12/01/10, 7:10 PM

I noticed a comment on wowhead about Dark Intent
Dark Intent - Spell - World of Warcraft
And the 3 ones below it...so if we aim for max personal dps(not rdps) it would seem that stacking DI is a good idea and it will boost our dps.

Also hear a rumor that if you had like 5 locks in a raid and all of them drop a DI on 1 lock, that lock would gain 15%(or 15,92%) haste, is it true?

tresextas · 12/01/10, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

It's modeled as if the buff were constantly up and fully stacked to 3. I could also have modeled it dynamically by having the warlock actors target each other with the spell, but I wanted to avoid the effects that would have on DPS, particularly during scale factor generation.

Not to nitpick, but isn't this an unrealistic scenario that the buff will be up 100% of the time with all 3 stacks? This is concerning dark intent, the above comment helped me remember this.

Saufsoldat · 12/02/10, 1:06 AM

Originally Posted by tresextas

Not to nitpick, but isn't this an unrealistic scenario that the buff will be up 100% of the time with all 3 stacks? This is concerning dark intent, the above comment helped me remember this.

It depends on your raid composition, but if you have at least one warlock, resto druid, fire mage, boomkin, unholy dk, or spriest you will have close to 100% uptime. Other classes/specs can probably also provide you with enough dots/hots to grant a decent uptime, those are just the first ones that come to mind.

Since it's been a while that the beta was out we cannot say with 100% certainty if two warlocks giving each other dark intent will stack when cata goes live.

Jasna · 12/03/10, 3:46 AM

Just looking at the demonology priority order. Soulburn is only limited by if metamorphosis is up, but you can cast metamorphosis during heroism / bloodlust so there might be a soulburn wasted for the demonology profile.

I assume soulburn is capped at 3 per fight, but not sure if its been tested if its even worth doing the soulburn / soul harvest trick before combat.

Is there anyway in simcraft to increase how many soul shards we have, like have it set to 4 for this trick, or maybe unlimited amount that would be limited to the fight duration, which would assume there was some add that you could drain soul to get more shards.

The dps increase would probably be minimal anyway.

Berthold · 12/03/10, 4:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jasna

which would assume there was some add that you could drain soul to get more shards.

The dps increase would probably be minimal anyway.

The "standard" add does not give you a soul shard when killed, neither through drain soul or shadow burn, so you can only gain it in multiboss fights. Having a fourth or more shards for the fight means an instant Soulfire instead of a full cast at best. This gives you ~one more filler spill to cast, so thats ~15.000 damage (incinerate as destro) over 300 seconds -> 50 dps. That is an increase of 0.2%.

Obviously doing this in game is a good idea, but I wouldn't suggest changing simcraft for that. The increase is marginal, it does not change the ranking of the specs and it does not change the scalefactors in any meaningful way.

Off-Topic: Less than four days.. yay :-)

Envý · 12/03/10, 4:08 AM

Pretty much every add I tried gives me shards. The LK Adds (even Vile Spirits), Halion, Saurfang, Valithria...
I have yet to see an add that does not give shards.

Jasna · 12/03/10, 4:23 AM

I haven't raided for a while, but last time I was in ICC I was getting shards from shambling horrors and Raging Spirits, which could have changed which is why I was wondering. Not many fights are that long. I also recall a fight on beta that I was getting them back on, but I forget now since its been down a while now.

Also I was just wondering if there was a way I could test it myself with simcraft rather than updating the original post with this as I assumed it would be ~50dps at best per extra soulburn.

I see in the warlock file there is a resource for 3 shards, haven't looked to see if it gets decremented anywhere though.

Opustjej · 12/03/10, 11:04 AM

To Zakalwe;

Wouldnt it be better to itemize the demo and destro profiles so they reach 50% haste and get 8 ticks from Immolate?
With Imp SF, Dark intent and 5% raidbuff we "only" need 2639 haste to get that extra tick and that will probably be a huge boost to those profiles? I am terrible at simcraft myself but played around with the gear availible and with reforging I had no problem finding some gearcombos with both hit cap and 2639 haste. Considering the poor 4-set bonus for destro we can focus on obtaining gear with haste and hit and just go for legs and shoulders as T11. I assume the BiS lists will look very different for destro and affli due to scale factors.

Also a general question about Immolate and Imp SF; We need to have the Imp SF buff up before applying Immo to get that extra tick correct? Its our current haste when we apply Immo that counts for the whole duration?

wasniahC · 12/03/10, 12:14 PM

He's said it a few times, the gear profiles haven't been modified - They're just the premade 372 set I believe, with the same reforges, for hit?

He's going to come back to it and change the gear sets iirc
ISF - all dots have all stats recalculated for every refresh

On the subject of dark intent, I have heard that while the haste buff stacks, the +damage buff does not; i.e while a lock with 5 dark intent buffs would get the 1.03^5 haste, it would only get +9% periodic damage, and a lot of those dark intent periodic damage buffs would be wasted - It just isn't worth doing, because of this.

MOD EDIT: Discussion continues in the NEW Simcraft thread here: SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Cataclysm Edition)