SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 13

• Zakalwe · 02/28/09, 1:05 PM

Simulationcraft assumes pets have infinite mana. I was trying to do something about that a few months ago, but ran into problems finding conclusive numbers on how their mana regen works.

I've done quite a bit of 25-man raiding with a felguard, and he never had any mana problems. Though of course in Naxx none of the fights take more than 3-4 minutes, so that may not be representative.

Naforce · 02/28/09, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Simulationcraft assumes pets have infinite mana. I was trying to do something about that a few months ago, but ran into problems finding conclusive numbers on how their mana regen works.

I've done quite a bit of 25-man raiding with a felguard, and he never had any mana problems. Though of course in Naxx none of the fights take more than 3-4 minutes, so that may not be representative.

Oh, I see, didn't know that. They don't really have mana issues in naxx, though there's no dps gain in MS and might be in MF (hance the reason to spec it).

Copola · 02/28/09, 1:19 PM

So messing around with a 0/41/30 spec I've been wondering to myself why am I taking the conflagorate glyph since I only use conflag at the end of immolate's duration?

I'm thinking of using an immolate glyph instead. At most I'll be able to save 1 tick of immolate with the conflag glyph. So I guess the question I had was "does the immolate glyph yield a dps boost even with 1 tick of it's dot being consumed?"

My average dmg of immolate w/o the glyph was
Landed: 1759
DoT: 1510*5= 7550
1759+7550=9309

this would make my dmg w/the glyph
Landed: (1759*.9)= 1583.1
DoT: (1.2(1510*4))=7248(multiplied by 4 assuming last tick is consumed)
1583+7248=8831

Clearly the conflag glyph is worth it, however these numbers are assuming you dont clip immolate at all even with the conflag glyph. If you are clipping immolate then your DPC w/o the glyph would be 1759+6040=7799

So, I guess if immolate is being clipped then its probably a better glyph choice then conflag, if not then conflag.

My question I guess is, how often do you guys think you clip that last tick of immolate?

henslaved · 02/28/09, 1:37 PM

Zakalwe would you please run http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614 just to confirm previous findings?

I find these results to be very exciting. The easier the rotation is for the top spec the better off we will be in Ulduar. Simcraft is going to play flawlessly, a level that none of us could ever hope to achieve running Affliction, while flawless play for a 41/30, especially one that drops Demonic Empowerment, is much more realistic.

Warlocomotif · 02/28/09, 1:39 PM

Could you check 1/3 catalysm vs 1/2 aftermath?

Naforce · 02/28/09, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Could you check 1/3 catalysm vs 1/2 aftermath?

Why would we want to spend points in cataclysm?

• Zakalwe · 02/28/09, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by henslaved

Zakalwe would you please run http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614 just to confirm previous findings?

There's no point - that's the spec from the original post with one point moved from MS to MF. Since neither of those talents have any DPS effect in Simulationcraft, the results will be identical.

• Zakalwe · 02/28/09, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Could you check 1/3 catalysm vs 1/2 aftermath?

Good call, cataclysm is better. Original post updated.

henslaved · 02/28/09, 1:49 PM

Raug was the one who originally posted his findings, so I didn't know if you had confirmed them or not with your own Simcraft (if at all different).

Thanks.

Warlocomotif · 02/28/09, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Why would we want to spend points in cataclysm?

Because you're still losing DPS time on lifetap. The alternative is 3% damage over time for immolate, which isn't a big part of your damage output. Regardles, neither talent will make a very big difference on DPS- but any little bit is nice.

Naforce · 02/28/09, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Because you're still losing DPS time on lifetap. The alternative is 3% damage over time for immolate, which isn't a big part of your damage output. Regardles, neither talent will make a very big difference on DPS- but any little bit is nice.

Depends if you've glyphed life tap or not really, which spec were you thinking about specifically?

Warlocomotif · 02/28/09, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Depends if you've glyphed life tap or not really, which spec were you thinking about specifically?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9626
+Glyph of Meta

blasfem · 02/28/09, 2:38 PM

How did 0/55/16 get a whole extra Immolation cycle than 3/52/16 ?

0/55/16:

immolation Count= 4.8|73.2sec

3/52/16:

immolation Count= 5.6|59.9sec

• Zakalwe · 02/28/09, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by blasfem

How did 0/55/16 get a whole extra Immolation cycle than 3/52/16 ?

Other way around, right? Those aren't necessarly full cycles - with the meta glyph there's time for popping immolation again towards the end of meta, so the difference is probably made up by 0/55/16 not getting that second immolation in due to not having enough mana for it. 3/52/16 probably avoided that problem because of cataclysm.

Obviously this needs looking at because a real player would make sure he had enough mana by life tapping to full before meta. It's a tricky thing to model though.

Warlocomotif · 02/28/09, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Other way around, right? Those aren't necessarly full cycles - with the meta glyph there's time for popping immolation again towards the end of meta, so the difference is probably made up by 0/55/16 not getting that second immolation in due to not having enough mana for it. 3/52/16 probably avoided that problem because of cataclysm.

Obviously this needs looking at because a real player would make sure he had enough mana by life tapping to full before meta. It's a tricky thing to model though.

Perhaps an interesting question, since immolation won't last full duration will it actually be worth using a second time?