Have we seen any numbers running 22/49 with Glyph of conflag, immolate and Incinerate? Then seeing if Spellstone or Firestone is better?


That 4% direct damage increase could end up being huge but then again that is a WHOLE lot of haste.


Something Like this: MMO Champion | 0/22/49 I'm not 100% sure where to place the last point or two, of the last of the 3 destro talents.

EDIT: Woops never mind.

I don't really see a point in testing that because although the talent got multiplied by 10 which is a huge buff it's not a talent you build to.

Old: 78 haste rating = %2.3787
New: 180 = %5.4894
Difference: %3.1107 = increase of %1.0369 per point.

I personally don't feel that's worth losing Chaos Bolts DPS

also note that the talent only increases ratings so you'll still only get either 1% direct damage or 1% dot damage not 3%

You actually get 240 haste rating. It's a 300% increase, so 4 times as good. Also, on the ptr, you get 4% increased dot/direct damage.

Hmm, my first thought was to wonder if it's a bug because that isn't showing up on the talent tooltip, but it's showing up on the stone tooltip which means it's equally as likely that it's working as intended.

I just logged the ptr to test it with immolate while naked except for my weapon and got 745 w/o stone and 767 w/stone
indicating it's closer to 3%, or it's applying before gear or talents or both.

In any case even with the haste being 240 instead of 180 or the DD being 4% i still don't see it adding more damage then 1 point in FnB+Chaos Bolt

You dont only get the increased haste/dmg from the stone, you also get 20% more dmg on your imp, which should be a fair increase itself.

Yeah, but you could go 0/20/51 with chaos bolt also if you chose.

so the contention here is chaos bolt 1 FnB vs. Master Conjuror

Edit: Just taking the 9310 Chaos Bolts off the sim posted in the 1st post and it's being cast every 15 seconds gives chaos bolt a dps of 600 something.

Assuming that firestone would give 10% dps under those circumstances which, i'm pretty sure the 4% DD + the crit doesn't, you'd need to nail 6000 dps w/o chaos bolt to match it.

Did you update all the other specs with this new master conjuror effect aswell? Just to see how big change there will be in the numbers.

With that change does the Firestone outpace the Spellstone for the leading 41/30 spec?

It surprised me, but no, spellstone is still best for all specs.

For the 0/56/15 spec, wouldn't it be a good choice to exchange the least dps-increasing glyph for glyph of life tap? yes, you will probably lose personal dps, but instead you will buff the raid further, which in the should lead to a higher raid dps. Which glyph should be exchanged? I think it would be about an additional 15sp to every member of the raid. I also suppose glyphing life tap includes lifetapping every 20 seconds. I'm not sure if it's better for the raid (locks -dps <= raid +dps?), maybe somebody can help?

Edit: GJ so far Zakalwe, really helpful for all locks.

Edit2: Could you also do calculations for all specs with _DG? Since the demospecs probably doesn't gain at all using DG, whilst affli will, I think it should be in your calculations as well as a spec variation.