SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 140

SylvanSorrow · 10/14/09, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Bergtau

I see the Affliction Warlocks are now on top, but I don't see any Drain Life in the rotation. How does it deal with Corruption falling off during high haste periods like Eradication procs and Bloodlust? Haunt's CD is 12 seconds, so when an 18 second Corruption gets reapplied with 50%+ haste, won't that fall off?

Ive been wondering the same thing, but haunt has an 8 second CD, 12 second duration. also more importantly have you guys figured out it and when corruption ticks get hard capped on haste?

For instance with 0 haste it would tick every 3 seconds, with 20% haste it would be (18)/(1 + (20 / 100)) = 15second duration/6 = 2.5 seconds between ticks, which is nice. But does it cap at some point?

To closer answer your question what it would take to get to a 8second corrupting duration (if possible) ((18 / 8) - 1) = 1.25 * 100 = 125% haste, which you won't be hitting for a while

• Zakalwe · 10/14/09, 10:41 AM

If you look at the output you'll notice corruption is cast 4.8 times during each fight on average, so it is in fact falling off. Trying to keep it up with a drain life tick is almost certainly a DPS loss compared to simply reapplying it.

In *theory* it might not be possible to get enough haste for corruption to fall off, but in practice you're often going to be in the middle of a SB cast or waiting for a DS tick when the haunt cooldown is up, and the sim doesn't currently try to interrupt the current cast or wait or do anything else smart in those cases, so it does end up having to reapply corruption once in a while.

Warlocomotif · 10/14/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

If you look at the output you'll notice corruption is cast 4.8 times during each fight on average, so it is in fact falling off. Trying to keep it up with a drain life tick is almost certainly a DPS loss compared to simply reapplying it.

In *theory* it might not be possible to get enough haste for corruption to fall off, but in practice you're often going to be in the middle of a SB cast or waiting for a DS tick when the haunt cooldown is up, and the sim doesn't currently try to interrupt the current cast or wait or do anything else smart in those cases, so it does end up having to reapply corruption once in a while.

Question, does corruption drop off in the sim when there's 0 seconds left, or when there's 0 ticks left?

Also, I'm making desparate attempts at posting feedback to the new demo, granted I'm from europe and therefor I can only post on the EU forums, meaning no one will ever read my feedback. But whatever, I'm trying.

Eviscero · 10/14/09, 11:32 AM

Is it clear that eradication will impact corruption tick rate with Quick Decay? The tooltip states that spell casting speed is increased by 20%.

Copola · 10/14/09, 11:59 AM

Is the reason why there is no parse of the 55/0/16 spec with a doomguard becuase it loses dps without a felhunter for some reason or was it just not put in because its assumed to be higher then 53/0/18?

zacheryah · 10/14/09, 1:10 PM

Dont worry about the refreshing of corruption, the theoretical shortest duration is 9 seconds.
Considering you only go near that under bloodlust,its not a real problem.
Considering that you will likely only bloodlust near execute range, it will be interesting to manage dot uptime+ drain soul even more.
Lets hope this goes live

mwaf · 10/14/09, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by Copola

Is the reason why there is no parse of the 55/0/16 spec with a doomguard becuase it loses dps without a felhunter for some reason or was it just not put in because its assumed to be higher then 53/0/18?

The only difference between the 55/0/16 and 53/0/18 is the two points in Improved Felhunter and Demonic Power respectively. Neither affects the Doomguard. Consequently the DPS of 55_0_16_DG would be equal to that of 53_0_18_DG and does not need to be listed separately.

duffry · 10/14/09, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

    molten_core           : start=6.3   refresh=22.9   interval= 36.7|7.5    uptime=62%  benefit=59%  trigger=15%

Am I reading that incorrectly or does it not include the decrease in Molten Core proc chance?

Molten Core: Redesigned. Shadow spells and damage-over-time effects have a 12% chance to increase the damage done by Incinerate by 5/10/15% and Soul Fire by 4/7/10% for 12 seconds. In addition, Molten Core now has a new spell effect.

Slashburn · 10/14/09, 10:11 PM

An annoying thing that comes as a result of this Decimation change is that destro warlocks will either have to Shadowbolt at <35% to keep up Imp Shadowbolt, or call for a mage to keep it up. I wouldnt doubt that a demo warlock trying to dp this will be doing less dps next patch than in 3.2.2.

Nnayr · 10/15/09, 1:29 AM

No. You can still throw 1 shadowbolt every 30seconds the amount of dps you will lose really isn't that big of a deal too give the entire raid 5% crit.

Diogenetic · 10/15/09, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by Slashburn

An annoying thing that comes as a result of this Decimation change is that destro warlocks will either have to Shadowbolt at <35% to keep up Imp Shadowbolt, or call for a mage to keep it up. I wouldnt doubt that a demo warlock trying to dp this will be doing less dps next patch than in 3.2.2.

Destro specs do not even have the Imp SB talent. Given the changes to Scorch, it seems like a wash as to who would be best suited to maintaining the crit debuff between a demo lock/fire mage in 3.3, even under 35%.

Axodious · 10/15/09, 9:15 AM

Given that a number of fights in both Ulduar and Trial of the Crusader make it very difficult to use Immolation Aura should we be including a run of the Metamorphosis specs without it similar to the shadowpriest parses with no Shadow Word: Death? With the current tests it's around a 375 DPS loss to not use it.

angaroth · 10/15/09, 1:56 PM

Since 3.3 hasn't dropped yet ...
I moved my corruption above incinerate and below immolate and with 30k iterations, time of fight 450 I saw a 50 dps increase with 4pc T9 turned on over just corruption while moving. Is anyone else seeing that? r3393.

Pyronia · 10/16/09, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Slashburn

An annoying thing that comes as a result of this Decimation change is that destro warlocks will either have to Shadowbolt at <35% to keep up Imp Shadowbolt, or call for a mage to keep it up. I wouldnt doubt that a demo warlock trying to dp this will be doing less dps next patch than in 3.2.2.

Actually, 3.3 will change the mage equivalent (Imp. Scorch) to be a single (1.5 sec) cast to apply the full 5% debuff for 30 secs. Previously, they had to stack it 5 times at 1% per stack. Given that there will always be a fire mage in the raid, I expect that the mages will be taking over the crit debuff duties.

Of course, if affliction continues to be the top warlock dps, then there should be affliction warlocks in the raid to put up the debuff.

Arnath · 10/16/09, 2:38 PM

If corruption is falling off, wouldn't it arguably be better to refresh it with Drain Life than by casting it again? It's a single GCD either way but Drain Life ticks every second, giving you a "free" tick worth of damage, right (versus refreshing it by just casting Corruption).