SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 161

Okyn · 01/23/10, 12:31 PM

for some reason simcraft (330-7) doesnt pick up the stats for ethersoaked bracers, have to manually input them

[Ether-Soaked Bracers]

ultrajustin · 01/23/10, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by Okyn

for some reason simcraft (330-7) doesnt pick up the stats for ethersoaked bracers, have to manually input them

[Ether-Soaked Bracers]

This is a problem for many new gear pieces. It also does not pick up stats for
1. Valanar's Other Signet
2. Pendant of Split Veins
3. Shadow Silk Spindle
4. Gloves of Broken Fingers.

I'm sure there are more of the ICC items not entered.

dedmonwakeen · 01/25/10, 9:24 AM

Originally Posted by ultrajustin

This is a problem for many new gear pieces. It also does not pick up stats for
1. Valanar's Other Signet
2. Pendant of Split Veins
3. Shadow Silk Spindle
4. Gloves of Broken Fingers.

I'm sure there are more of the ICC items not entered.

Please remove "simc_cache.dat" and retry.

In the meantime I will determine if it is an xml-description change or just a bug......

Mystearica · 01/25/10, 8:34 PM

Apparently the warlock buffs are finally official.

World of Raids | World of Warcraft 3.3.2 Patch Notes - Translated From Korean

Warlock

* Talents
o Affliction
+ Shadow Embrace - Now stacks up to 3 times. Healing reduction effect has been reduced to 2/4/8/10% to compensate.
o Demonology
+ Demonic Pact - This talent now increases your spell damage by 2/4/6/8/10% (Up from 1/2/3/4/5%). Effect to raid or party members remains the same.
o Destruction
+ Conflagrate - Periodic spell damage has been increased to 40% (Up from 20%)
+ Empowered Imp - Increases damage done by Imp by 10/20/30% (Up from 5/10/15%)
+ Improved Shadow Bolt - Now increases Shadow Bolt damage by 2/4/6/8/10% (Up from 1/2/3/4/5%)

something2 · 01/25/10, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mystearica

Apparently the warlock buffs are finally official.

World of Raids | World of Warcraft 3.3.2 Patch Notes - Translated From Korean

With these new changes set to go into effect with the next patch, how does the DPET look for Shadow Bolt as compared to Incinerate (with Molten Core) for the Demonology spec? If Incinerate is no longer worthwhile, MC procs also lose value, does it make sense to change the Quick Decay glyph to Metamorphisis?

Warlocomotif · 01/25/10, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by something2

With these new changes set to go into effect with the next patch, how does the DPET look for Shadow Bolt as compared to Incinerate (with Molten Core) for the Demonology spec? If Incinerate is no longer worthwhile, MC procs also lose value, does it make sense to change the Quick Decay glyph to Metamorphisis?

Prior to the current version of MC there was a "increases the damage of your incinerate by 5/10/15%" or something along those lines. Basically it means that incinerate ended up doing like 3% less damage than shadow bolt still. In the current version of Molten core, the cast time is also reduced by 30%, meaning incinerate has much, much higher DPET than shadow bolt at this point.

Even though Shadow Bolt might do more damage than incinerate even with molten core up in the next patch, the reduced cast time will make incinerate a definite DPS increase.

• Zakalwe · 01/26/10, 8:26 AM

I've updated the OP with 3.3.2 numbers.

EDIT: I also just updated the scale factors, using the T10 bonuses, and upping the lag settings to get a smoother haste scaling curve. This does result in slightly lower haste scaling across the board, but I think these factors better reflect how people generally end up playing in real encounters anyway.

Vidiz · 01/26/10, 12:35 PM

Excuse me if I'm wrong but according to the new scaling factors:

Warlock_T9_00_56_15 Sta=0.2081 Int=0.5239 Spi=1.0647 SP=1.4925 Hit=3.2801 Crit=1.0838 Haste=1.0722

Does this mean the 12SP/10Haste gems should now be replaced with 12SP/10Crit (assuming socket bonus)?

Karlex · 01/26/10, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Vidiz

Excuse me if I'm wrong but according to the new scaling factors:

Warlock_T9_00_56_15 Sta=0.2081 Int=0.5239 Spi=1.0647 SP=1.4925 Hit=3.2801 Crit=1.0838 Haste=1.0722

Does this mean the 12SP/10Haste gems should now be replaced with 12SP/10Crit (assuming socket bonus)?

It does seem to point to at least revisiting the situation. However, it really comes down to tests on training dummies and real raid situations. Besides, exact gear makeup can make a huge difference. I doubt your gear is as good as what's being put in those situations. You might not have all the tier gear they have, for instance. That can make a big difference.

Evyle · 01/26/10, 2:51 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've updated the OP with 3.3.2 numbers.

EDIT: I also just updated the scale factors, using the T10 bonuses, and upping the lag settings to get a smoother haste scaling curve. This does result in slightly lower haste scaling across the board, but I think these factors better reflect how people generally end up playing in real encounters anyway.

Thanks a ton for the quick update. You mentioned a change to the lag settings for a smoother haste scaling curve and it did make a huge difference. For every spec but Aff haste now looses to crit for dps (and for affliction haste even beats out spell power by a good margin)? I just wanted to make sure this was not a typo by putting a 1.9 for aff vs a .9 or something of the like. There is a lot of competition for raid spots and I use EJ and even more so this thread to keep ahead as much as possible.

Melbuframa · 01/26/10, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've updated the OP with 3.3.2 numbers.

EDIT: I also just updated the scale factors, using the T10 bonuses, and upping the lag settings to get a smoother haste scaling curve. This does result in slightly lower haste scaling across the board, but I think these factors better reflect how people generally end up playing in real encounters anyway.

How is the T10 bonus currently calculated in the sim? I ask because you need to recast Corr during the proc to gain the benefit, does the sim account for this or is it simply applying a flat % increase?

Asilpop · 01/26/10, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by Vidiz

Excuse me if I'm wrong but according to the new scaling factors:

Warlock_T9_00_56_15 Sta=0.2081 Int=0.5239 Spi=1.0647 SP=1.4925 Hit=3.2801 Crit=1.0838 Haste=1.0722

Does this mean the 12SP/10Haste gems should now be replaced with 12SP/10Crit (assuming socket bonus)?

Or should the 12SP/10 Haste gems still be used but replace Spellstone with Firestone, especially on damage multiplied fights like Queen?

• Zakalwe · 01/26/10, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by Melbuframa

How is the T10 bonus currently calculated in the sim? I ask because you need to recast Corr during the proc to gain the benefit, does the sim account for this or is it simply applying a flat % increase?

It does account for that, but it doesn't do anything special to recast corruption to get the bonus rolling.

Jenren22 · 01/27/10, 4:51 AM

When you say 'adjusted lag settings' what do you refer to in simcraft? I recently simcrafted my demo warlock and my scale factors still favoured haste over spirit and crit, with crit behind spirit. Spell power was still also ahead. Take in mind that I don't raid with a shaman so I don't get the benefit of WoA totem, or bloodlust so my 1058 haste with spell stone would receive the moonkin haste buff and that is it, so the value for haste is most likely higher for me.

My question is though, is it wise for everyone to adjust their lag settings like you have? I'm concerned that if I do the same I may have alot of regemming to do.

• Zakalwe · 01/27/10, 5:11 AM

Originally Posted by Jenren22

When you say 'adjusted lag settings' what do you refer to in simcraft?

I manually set queue_lag to 0.2, gcd_lag to 0.4, and channel_lag to 0.5. This is slightly higher than the "high" latency option in the GUI. I'm gonna go ahead and rerun the scale factor generation using the "high" latency settings, to make it easier to replicate my results.

I personally think high latency is a good choice for scale factor generation for two reasons:

1. Because the lag is applied as a random value within a certain range, increasing that range creates more randomness in cast timing, which helps avoid an overly jagged "haste graph". This makes the calculated haste scaling factor more generally applicable for gear stat weights, because it's less dependent on the particular gear set used to generate the scale factors.

2. Most people will have trouble replicating the simulated actor's spell casting patterns when the sim is run at a low latency setting. In a real fight, things such as stress, movement, spell push-back, UI lag, and actual network lag will combine to make some of your casts go off at a slower than optimal rate. I'll admit that these effects aren't all simulated perfectly by simply switching the lag setting to high, but the effects on the haste scaling factor should be very similar.