SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 170

• Zakalwe · 03/12/10, 7:27 PM

actions+=/use_item,name=nevermelting_ice_crystal,if=buff.tier10_4pc_caster.up
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,if=buff.tier10_4pc_caster.up
actions+=/corruption,tier10_4pc=1
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/corruption

The tier10_4pc=1 is a special argument to corruption that causes it to be recast the first time the 4-piece bonus procs. I don't believe seed of corruption is even implemented right now, so the recast logic just assumes you're able to recast it without running into the "more powerful spell" bug.

Amorti · 03/22/10, 2:50 PM

Can I use SimulationCraft, to simulate dps on a level 80 training dummy? Should I expect similar dps, as reported with Recount, when actually attacking the dummy for 300 seconds?

• Zakalwe · 03/23/10, 9:20 AM

The most recent PTR build has updated life tap mechanics: It now has a base mana return of 2400, and scales with 60% of your spell power. This makes a talented life tap better than dark pact until you reach 5800 spell power.

I've updated the OP to reflect this change, along with updated BiS profiles.

• Zakalwe · 03/23/10, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Amorti

Can I use SimulationCraft, to simulate dps on a level 80 training dummy? Should I expect similar dps, as reported with Recount, when actually attacking the dummy for 300 seconds?

Yes - just make sure you toggle off all the raid buffs/debuffs in the options tab, and put target_level=80 in the overrides tab.

lilsteele · 03/24/10, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The most recent PTR build has updated life tap mechanics: It now has a base mana return of 2400, and scales with 60% of your spell power. This makes a talented life tap better than dark pact until you reach 5800 spell power.

I've updated the OP to reflect this change, along with updated BiS profiles.

Did these changes make it into 3.3.3 live?

I made some quick tests this morning, and LT scaled with 50% spellpower (800 spellpower gave me 400 more mana per tap) and a naked LT rewarded me with slightly less than 1500 mana.

edit: This is with 0/2 improved life tap, so it would be a 60% spellpower scaling with 2/2 imp. LT.

edit2: The following seems to be live:

Life Tap health cost: 2000
Life Tap mana return, without talents: 2000 + 0.5 spellpower
Life Tap mana return, with 2/2 imp LT: 2400 + 0.6 spellpower (i.e. the above times 1.2)

More info: Why is Dark Pact worth it? - Page 5 - The Warlocks Den - WoW Warlock Discussions

Shelak · 03/24/10, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The most recent PTR build has updated life tap mechanics: It now has a base mana return of 2400, and scales with 60% of your spell power. This makes a talented life tap better than dark pact until you reach 5800 spell power.

I've updated the OP to reflect this change, along with updated BiS profiles.

Interesting. I´m at 3.131 spellpower and dark pact gives me 4.315 mana while life tap unskilled returns 3.576 mana. Skilled life tap should be at 4.291 mana.

• Zakalwe · 03/24/10, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Shelak

Interesting. I´m at 3.131 spellpower and dark pact gives me 4.315 mana while life tap unskilled returns 3.576 mana. Skilled life tap should be at 4.291 mana.

That is interesting - it turns out what I tested on the PTR just prior to the patch doesn't match how it works on live. On live it's now 2000 base mana with a 50% spell power coefficient. I'll update simulationcraft accordingly.

Innulock · 03/24/10, 7:57 PM

Any reason why the stats on Nibelung are not imported correctly?

On the simulate line it reads:
main_hand=nibelung,gems=7sp,enchant=81sp

contrary to my previous weapon, where all stats are imported:
main_hand=frost_needle,stats=49hit_54haste_657sp_59sta_59int,enchant=63sp,weapon=swor d_1.80speed_102.58min_324.58max

The proc seems to be imported and simulated correctly though

Weazus · 03/24/10, 9:55 PM

I have 3253 spell power, here's what I get

Improved Life Tap w/out Life Tap glyph = 4352
Dark Pact = 4395
Improved Life Tap with Life Tap glyph buff = 4397

So basically I personally gain 2 more mana by using life tap instead of dark pact. So I can either use Dark Pact and take mana from my pet or I can use Life Tap and gain 2 more mana at the cost of 2064 health.

But that's not raid buffed. With raid buffs I'm around 4000 ish spell power, so I'm guessing in a raid setting life tap will be better.

dedmonwakeen · 03/25/10, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Innulock

Any reason why the stats on Nibelung are not imported correctly?

On the simulate line it reads:
main_hand=nibelung,gems=7sp,enchant=81sp

contrary to my previous weapon, where all stats are imported:
main_hand=frost_needle,stats=49hit_54haste_657sp_59sta_59int,enchant=63sp,weapon=swor d_1.80speed_102.58min_324.58max

The proc seems to be imported and simulated correctly though

The wowhead site made a subtle change to their item xml, breaking our parsing. New release imminent.

Warlocomotif · 04/01/10, 8:47 AM

The Demonology action list should be changed, curse of agony should not be on it.

Also I'd be interested to see what happens if you prioritize soulfire over corruption when molten core is already up (during decimation ofcourse).

Calidus · 04/01/10, 3:14 PM

EDIT: Delete please, posted in wrong thread

Saufsoldat · 04/02/10, 5:43 AM

Why is it that when I run simulationcraft for my destruction warlock, it tells me that each point of SP is worth 0.29 points of spirit? As I no longer have the Life Tap Glyph and spirit no longer influences Life Tap, the only benefit from spirit that I see right now is the spirit to SP conversion of my Fel Armor. In that case 0.39 points of spirit should equate 1 point of SP, but the stat scaling doesn't reflect that.

Khraine · 04/02/10, 11:32 AM

I've been an avid Affliction warlock for a long time but only recently due to changing guilds become Demo(Meta)

Your BiS list i think would be better with more Spirit gear based on the fact that the BiS list is all haste/crit.

With 222 Spirit you would only gain, 66 SP from Fel Armor, and 44 from Life Tap. So 100 SP. If you were to swap out some crit for Spirit items you can get around 600 SP which would net 180 from Fel Armor Alone and another 120 from Life Tap. the 200 Additional SP you over that list would then give the Raid a much better base line Demonic Pact and increase the entire raids DPS and Heals.

Just a thought, i do love what you put together though.

• Meaning · 04/02/10, 6:10 PM

The BiS Demo set used here is for personal DPS, see the 3.3.3 compendium for a raid DPS optimized profile