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Old 10/12/10, 2:23 PM   #2656
Vieris
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Burning Blade
Originally Posted by Nartas View Post
Pretty sure he knows this but you can still stick an orange in a red and pick up the socket bonus, and since haste, according to the scaling factors he/she saw, is better than intellect, suggested it would be better to gem +10 int +10 haste into red sockets.
Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for not doing so myself. It doesn't seem like it has to do with any diminishing returns on haste, so I'll assume it to be a fix for later when (or if) the profiles get reworked.

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Old 10/12/10, 2:42 PM   #2657
matthewseidl
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Emerald Dream
I was looking at the mana gains from Soul Leach on the first page, and it seems like there's a bug someplace. If the wowhead tooltip is correct (procs on soulburn, chaos bolt ad soulfire), then we'd expect to see (on the normal destro parse) 32.1 soul leach procs. At 4% max mana each, thats 128.4% of max mana. But the profile shows > 2x initial mana being returned. From looking at the code in the cata svn branch, it looks like the simulator has soul leach procing from conflag and sbolt as well. Now, that goes over the mana return reported, so there's something else off (% returned?), but I'm stil trying to walk through that section of the code.

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Old 10/12/10, 4:08 PM   #2658
Erowulf
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Proudmoore
Just thought I'd post my results for Destro both with SP filler and Incin/Sub-50-SP filler. They're significantly higher than Zakalwe's numbers (though the simc files are nearly identical), and I'm not clear on why that is exactly, so if anyone notices something off, lemme know where I can improve/fix it. I also ran both specs through after replacing 40% of the critical strike rating (truncated down to a whole number) on the items in the Zakalwe/whi Pre-RS-BiS gearset with mastery rating. My hunch was that mastery would be better, and that was "confirmed" in previous builds of SimCraft, so here are my most recent results.

CataSimc Destro HTML Outupt (Hosted by Google Sites)

Originally Posted by matthewseidl View Post
From looking at the code in the cata svn branch, it looks like the simulator has soul leach procing from conflag and sbolt as well. Now, that goes over the mana return reported, so there's something else off (% returned?), but I'm stil trying to walk through that section of the code.
Ya, I was curious what was going on there too! I removed the soul_leech trigger events from the warlock file and I'm gonna run these four profiles through again, let's see what happens. ^_^

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Old 10/12/10, 4:20 PM   #2659
Caltiom
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Eredar (EU)
Found this thread just now.

I changed summon_infernal_t::ready() and removed soul_leech from conflagrate and shadow bolt.

Bane of Doom in simcraft should be affected only by general damage multipliers and not dot-multipliers. An exception is demon_soul:felhunter, even though that doesn't really make sense.

Soul Siphon 24% cap is implemented, and Improved Immolate doesn't work on Conlfagrate

Don't forget the Ebon Imp when comparing BoD vs BoA, always compare the total DPS and not just some DPET values.

Regarding Reforging & Regemming: We really hope to rely fully on wowhead profiles for this, we'll see how fast everything is implemented there. The plan is to push at least a non-gui release out after the wowhead parsing is correct again.

Oh and we are still missing base stats value for warlock lvl 82,83,84, have a look at Issue 331 - simulationcraft - Cataclysm base stats or feel free to post some values here in this thread.

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Old 10/12/10, 4:31 PM   #2660
zinnin
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Warlock
 
Stormrage
In regards to the Affliction profile, I doesn't seem to me that the UA glyph would outdo either corruption or coa glyph due to the fact that in high gear settings your ua cast is 1second and lower anyways.

Is the 4.0 simcraft available somewhere to mess around with it?

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Old 10/12/10, 4:35 PM   #2661
Erowulf
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by zinnin View Post
Is the 4.0 simcraft available somewhere to mess around with it?
I don't believe there's a 4.0.1+ release version right now, but you can always go to the project page and checkout the latest build from the SVN and compile it yourself, if you're set up for that sort of thing.

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Old 10/12/10, 5:05 PM   #2662
matthewseidl
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Emerald Dream
Originally Posted by Erowulf View Post
Just thought I'd post my results for Destro both with SP filler and Incin/Sub-50-SP filler. They're significantly higher than Zakalwe's numbers (though the simc files are nearly identical), and I'm not clear on why that is exactly, so if anyone notices something off, lemme know where I can improve/fix it. I also ran both specs through after replacing 40% of the critical strike rating (truncated down to a whole number) on the items in the Zakalwe/whi Pre-RS-BiS gearset with mastery rating. My hunch was that mastery would be better, and that was "confirmed" in previous builds of SimCraft, so here are my most recent results.

CataSimc Destro HTML Outupt (Hosted by Google Sites)
Looking at your graphs, I'm very confused why DPS and mana drops off sharply the last 20% of the fight. The last 10% of the fight for destro looks like its lower dps than any other section of the fight, which makes no sense to me. Same with mana, where at 20% the line drops strongly. Soul Leech usage shouldn't change at that point (or ever during the fight). It seems like the only sections destro cars about are (> 80%, 80% to 50%, < 50%). The doomguard is long gone before the last 20%, so something else must be dropping off at that point.

EDIT:

Ahh ... I bet the imp goes OOM at that point. Looking at his mana regen, its almost never overflow, and if the imp was oom, he wouldn't be procing free soulfires, so you'd start going OOM as well. Interesting.

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Old 10/12/10, 5:06 PM   #2663
Zimeron
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Originally Posted by Vieris View Post
I noticed the Demo profile uses +20int gems in a number of red slots, and was wondering if those would be better filled with the orange +10haste/int gems. I might be missing something basic, but just eyeballing the values below led me to this.
Making this change resulted in a ~350 dps gain, nice catch. It's checked in to r5033 and should be changed in the main post once Zakalawe reruns the profile.

On the subject of release, we should have a 4.0.1 release with support for all classes except DK, Hunter, and Mage ready "soon".

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Old 10/12/10, 5:16 PM   #2664
zinnin
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Warlock
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by matthewseidl View Post
Ahh ... I bet the imp goes OOM at that point. Looking at his mana regen, its almost never overflow, and if the imp was oom, he wouldn't be procing free soulfires, so you'd start going OOM as well. Interesting.
Is the Imp going OOM going to justify using a soulburn to summon a new imp instantly?

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Old 10/12/10, 5:23 PM   #2665
Naforce
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Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
Wouldn't it be better for the demonology_sp spec to spec 3/3 imp corruption instead of 3/3 shadow and flame? Seeing as incinerates only were 5% of the damage, whilst corruption was 8% and they both give a 12% increase respectively! Maybe I'm misreading something here, but that would seem to be the case.

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Old 10/12/10, 5:37 PM   #2666
dakalro
Don Flamenco
 
Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Caltiom View Post
Don't forget the Ebon Imp when comparing BoD vs BoA, always compare the total DPS and not just some DPET values.
Only managed to get a few 5 minute tests on an 85 lock on beta but BoA did seem to slightly outdmg BoD but at over 2x the number of casts. Gonna retest simulationcraft tomorrow and try and see why it gave higher dps with BoA compared to BoD (what was BoD not scaling with when compared to BoA, the affliction mastery and I think haste - @ ~50% haste and 13% mastery dmg it is quite a bit of extra).

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Old 10/12/10, 5:52 PM   #2667
Erowulf
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by matthewseidl View Post
Looking at your graphs, I'm very confused why DPS and mana drops off sharply the last 20% of the fight..
It looks like the weird mana lines were a result of simcraft handling soul leech incorrectly, it's been updated and I've updated my little html output too!

CataSimc Destro Output (Soul Leech Fix)

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Old 10/12/10, 5:54 PM   #2668
matthewseidl
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Emerald Dream
Originally Posted by zinnin View Post
Is the Imp going OOM going to justify using a soulburn to summon a new imp instantly?
A soulburned soulfire nets you ~3k damage over a searing pain, along with 4% mana/health back.

The imp's cast speed should be - 2.5s firebolt - 0.75s (dark arts) / 1.3 (haste) = 1.35s. (if I have the math right here on how dark arts works). So in a 300s fight, he should get off 222 attacks. In the OP he got 193. So we're missing 29 casts. 29 casts should proc an additional empowered imp, getting you back the dps/mana missing from above, along with 2566 * 29 = 74k extra damage.

So I think its worth it to keep some soul shards around to soulburn a new imp every 4 minutes of the fight, assuming everything else in the sim is correct.

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Old 10/12/10, 5:56 PM   #2669
matthewseidl
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Emerald Dream
Originally Posted by Erowulf View Post
It looks like the weird mana lines were a result of simcraft handling soul leech incorrectly, it's been updated and I've updated my little html output too!

CataSimc Destro Output (Soul Leech Fix)
Those graphs still have the big dps drop after 4m though, so I'm still wondering if the imp is oom. This would also account for him missing ~30 casts I believe. I don't know of a way to get a graph from simulationcraft for the pets mana though.

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Old 10/12/10, 5:58 PM   #2670
myblindy
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Lightbringer
Your Demo spec doesn't include Demonic Embrace (10% stam) but Life Tap now scales with stam so it would be an overall DPS increase. There's plenty of talents to take points from, like Aura of Foreboding.

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