SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 188

Naforce · 10/17/10, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by darlokdd

The current simcraft profile for destruction doesn't include searing pain anymore. Is that the result of the nerf or a mistake? If it is no mistake, what are the 2/2 points in Improved Searing Pain good for?

It's because of the nerf. Those 2 points can be spent anywhere in the destruction tree, but they don't change the dps outcome.

Scaron · 10/17/10, 9:51 AM

It looks to me, based on the last destro simcraft results, that the damage per cast time (DPCT) of soul fire (SF) is actually larger than the DPCT of Incinerate. Would it not be better to replace our spam spell as SF instead of incin (with the possible exception of casting incinerate during backdraft)?

Sadly, until there's a public release of simcraft I can't run this one myself, but I'd be happy to hear thoughts about this.

• Zakalwe · 10/17/10, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Scaron

It looks to me, based on the last destro simcraft results, that the damage per cast time (DPCT) of soul fire (SF) is actually larger than the DPCT of Incinerate. Would it not be better to replace our spam spell as SF instead of incin (with the possible exception of casting incinerate during backdraft)?

Sadly, until there's a public release of simcraft I can't run this one myself, but I'd be happy to hear thoughts about this.

The DPCT is taken from the actual simulation, in which most of the soul fires cast are instants. Non-instant soulfire is obviously much less DPCT than incinerate.

Thebeave · 10/17/10, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Scaron

It looks to me, based on the last destro simcraft results, that the damage per cast time (DPCT) of soul fire (SF) is actually larger than the DPCT of Incinerate. Would it not be better to replace our spam spell as SF instead of incin (with the possible exception of casting incinerate during backdraft)?

SF has a larger dpct because they r all being cast as instants, (imp buff and soulburn SF's)... Really it does have a higher priority than incin, but only when its instant

Okyn · 10/17/10, 10:22 AM

I ran simcraft from 3/3 dark arts to 0/3 dark arts, yet the dps from the imp stays the same at 1875 for all 4 times i ran it?
I have 1415 haste.

using simcraft r5163.

• Zakalwe · 10/17/10, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Okyn

I ran simcraft from 3/3 dark arts to 0/3 dark arts, yet the dps from the imp stays the same at 1875 for all 4 times i ran it?
I have 1415 haste.

using simcraft r5163.

At 1415 haste your imp casts firebolts as follows:

0/3 DA: 2.50 / ( (1 + 1415/3279) * 1.05 ) = 1.66 seconds
1/3 DA: 2.25 / ( (1 + 1415/3279) * 1.05 ) = 1.49 seconds
2/3 DA: 2.00 / ( (1 + 1415/3279) * 1.05 ) = 1.33 seconds
3/3 DA: 1.75 / ( (1 + 1415/3279) * 1.05 ) = 1.16 seconds

With the bug preventing the imp's gcd from going below 1.5, those last two points obviously have no effect. The reason the first point has no effect is that simcraft has a gcd_lag option which applies to any cast that is capped by the gcd. The default value of that option is 150 milliseconds, meaning your 1/3 DA profile's imp will only cast every 1.65 seconds.

We should probably add a pet_lag option, though, since it's not really the same thing as player lag, and it's possible to squeeze an imp's firebolt cast time down below 1.65 seconds.

Callandor · 10/17/10, 1:05 PM

At what Haste level would you gain a 9th tick of Immolate as Destruction? Or how would you calculate this? I'm currently sitting on 1393 Haste before gemming for pure Haste or reforging for it.

Ekeln · 10/17/10, 1:12 PM

Disregard, I was thinking in 85 terms, which is outside the scope of this thread. My apologies.

Scaron · 10/17/10, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The DPCT is taken from the actual simulation, in which most of the soul fires cast are instants. Non-instant soulfire is obviously much less DPCT than incinerate.

Dammit. Thank you for setting me straight on this. Answer was obvious...after you explained it.

Beerguzzler · 10/17/10, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

It's important to note that the sim shows very high haste values for destro only because the simulated gear profile is close to the point where immolate gains an 8th tick (1406 haste rating from gear). If you can't get past this point, mastery is likely better.

I'm rerunning scale factors right now with scale deltas set up to avoid this particular discontinuity in the haste scaling graph. EDIT: Done, OP updated.

At what haste rating can we get the 9th tick?

Caltiom · 10/17/10, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Beerguzzler

At what haste rating can we get the 9th tick?

8.5 / 5 = 1.7 -> 9 ticks at 70% haste

7.5 / 5 = 1.5 -> 8 ticks at 50% haste

Grah · 10/17/10, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Beerguzzler

At what haste rating can we get the 9th tick?

2030 haste should provide the 9th tick.

♦ Carebare · 10/17/10, 11:45 PM

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Capslock · 10/18/10, 3:59 AM

I've been using Drain life Affliction in raids for the past couple of raids and have noticed that for me I get an increase in DPS whilst using Glyph of Corruption over Glyph of Agony. I dont see any reference to this elsewhere in this thread might be worth giving it a run with BiS to see if it is an increase or whether its just something to do with the way i'm set up.

vo1os · 10/18/10, 5:43 AM

how does backdrafted inci counts in simc?
[2.25/(1+H)*1.05]*0.7 ?
(1.05 - 5% haste aura, H-current haste)