SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 2

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Did you try the affli-specs with the doomguard?

Nothing has changed with either the doomguard or the succubus, so changing from one to the other would yield a 770 DPS gain, just like in the pre-3.1 simulations. It would put the 3.1 affliction profile at 6300 DPS.

Ishammael · 02/26/09, 3:01 PM

First of all, thank you for the simulations.

Second, I have 2 quick questions;

On this simulation:

warlock=Warlock_T8_54_00_17
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,succubus
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1/curse_of_agony/corruption/unstable_affliction
actions+=/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/immolate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
Caster_T7_Base_Gear.simcraft
glyph_haunt=1
glyph_curse_of_agony=1
glyph_life_tap=1

Did you Lifetap only when you were out of mana or as needed to keep the glyph up? I am trying to figure out the actual benefits from the Life Tap glyph but haven't had a chance to get on the PTR yet.

Also, why the Succubus over the Felhunter/Doomguard?

Thanks,

fallenman · 02/26/09, 3:06 PM

For affliction, I would also be curious to see what would happen if you were to take 1 point out of nightfall, and put it into demonic power. Demonic Power for a succubus at my gear level is worth about 15dps per point. Which I believe is more than nightfall per point.

Quick math:

My succubus hits for 537 average with lash of pain according to our WWS reports. On a 360 second (6 minute) fight, she'll use lash of pain 30 times with a 1% miss rate. This gives us ((30 * .99) * 537) = 15,949 damage, or (15,949/360) = 44.3dps.

If we reduce the cooldown by 3 seconds (1 point in demonic power) this changes the numbers to 40 lash of pain in a 360 second fight. ((40 * .99) * 537) = 21,265 damage, or (21,265/360) = 59dps. So 1 point gives us a 59 - 44.3 = 14.7 dps increase per point.

If I recall, nightfall is only worth around 9dps per point. I'd also be curious if aftermath is worth less than demonic power point for point as well.

shibboleth · 02/26/09, 3:07 PM

Do you think something along this version of 31/40 with be viable with the succy out and using shadow?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9626

NinjaSquirrel · 02/26/09, 3:09 PM

How does hit come into play? I notice that the 0/41/30 spec doesn't have any hit talent points but 54/0/17 does... wouldn't that play a part as 0/41/30 will need to gear for that extra 3% hit while 54/0/17 can gear towards more damage?

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ishammael

Did you Lifetap only when you were out of mana or as needed to keep the glyph up?

Only when out of mana.

Originally Posted by Ishammael

Also, why the Succubus over the Felhunter/Doomguard?

The Succubus has been better than the Felhunter since 3.0.8. I didn't include a Doomguard profile because of the 1-hour cooldown and because none of the pets have changed since 3.0.8, so it's not interesting in the context of trying to analyze the new stuff.

Shayo · 02/26/09, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ishammael

First of all, thank you for the simulations.
Also, why the Succubus over the Felhunter/Doomguard?

From the warlock pet thread:
Imp 164dps
Felpup 200dps
Succy 235 dps

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by NinjaSquirrel

How does hit come into play? I notice that the 0/41/30 spec doesn't have any hit talent points but 54/0/17 does... wouldn't that play a part as 0/41/30 will need to gear for that extra 3% hit while 54/0/17 can gear towards more damage?

Yep, that's accounted for by the enchant_hit_rating/enchant_crit_rating lines in the profiles. Basically the specs without suppression give up 3% crit for 3% hit.

ostoles · 02/26/09, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I spotted a pretty significant bug that caused decimation never to be triggered. Reran the simulation and edited my post above with the results. I also added the detailed damage breakdowns, so you guys can help me try to spot bugs.

With the updated damage breakdown in the original post, I do not see soul fire listed in the actions for either 0/56/15 or 0/41/30. Is there a bug with the display of that information in this section or is the bug you mentioned still in existence?

Tornwings · 02/26/09, 3:16 PM

Could you posibly try a 0/22/49 build? With the new master conjuror, I've been curious about it.

NinjaSquirrel · 02/26/09, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by fallenman

For affliction, I would also be curious to see what would happen if you were to take 1 point out of nightfall, and put it into demonic power. Demonic Power for a succubus at my gear level is worth about 15dps per point. Which I believe is more than nightfall per point.

Another consideration is moving the point from Improved Drain Soul to Demonic Power so long as threat is not an issue.

Emolate · 02/26/09, 3:24 PM

I'm seeing Demonic Empathy still showing up in my reports:

Warlock_T8_MetaDP:
15.1% : demonic_empathy
93.4% : demonic_pact
25.5% : demonic_soul
100.0% : replenishment
85.8% : shadow_vulnerability

My T8_MetaDP config:

warlock=Warlock_T8_MetaDP
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=5500000502000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002021033011352025301352 01351&glyph=000000000000&version=9614
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard
actions+=/curse_of_doom/demonic_empowerment/metamorphosis,immolation=1
actions+=/soul_fire,decimation=1/corruption/immolate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
Caster_T7_Base_Gear.simcraft
#glyph_metamorphosis=1
glyph_life_tap=1
glyph_felguard=1
glyph_immolate=1

I'm not certain but it looks like glyph_life_tap doesn't work, or I have the wrong expectations.

My globals are set for 2pT7 (I don't play with 4pT7) and the following:

# Standard Gear Attributes
gear_stamina=867
gear_strength=54
gear_agility=70
gear_intellect=932
gear_spirit=595
gear_attack_power=0
gear_expertise_rating=0
gear_armor_penetration_rating=0
gear_spell_power=1774
gear_hit_rating=380
gear_crit_rating=139
gear_haste_rating=535

# Set Bonuses
tier7_2pc=1
tier7_4pc=0

# Meta Gem
chaotic_skyflare=1

# Item Procs
illustration_of_the_dragon_soul=1
dying_curse=1

The spec didn't paste correctly for some reason: here is the one I built.

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 3:31 PM

Demonic Empathy shouldn't show up unless A) you're running a simcraft that hasn't been compiled from the current SVN trunk (the latest release does not have the 3.1 changes) or B) you haven't set patch=3.1.0 in your config files.

Kazuha · 02/26/09, 3:35 PM

Note that aftermath is a very weak talent for affliction - according to the simulation breakdown, it's worth around 6.5 dps per point:

14.1 casts of immolate on average, each cast has 5 dot ticks, which tick for 966, so we get 68103 immolate damage. If we lose the 6% immolate damage from that, we get 64248 damage instead. Assuming the parse is 277 secs (which most simcraft parses are normalized to), the difference is 14 dps - 7 dps per point

Demonic power is worth around 24 dps a point from the data, so demonic power is a lot better:
Demonic power simply doubles lash of pain damage for the succubus, and lash of pain is doing 13k, so the two talent points are worth another 13k. Compare this with the 4k from immolate, and we have a pretty clear winner.

Shodan30 · 02/26/09, 3:53 PM

Could you test this build? My logic is assuming that you will already have a mage with the scorch debuff, and since it does not stack with ISB, I would rather buff the imp. I also have no threat reduction with this build, and only one point in Eradication.

51/3/17

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614