The simulations here show the dps output of different specs based on a raid scenario which is similar to a patchwerk fight. In such a scenario, the assumption that there will be a second affliction warlock to provide buffs isn't far off. Also, for the current game version, numbers wouldn't drop as much as you might assume even if the 2nd warlock was destruction since CoA and corruption are still part of the warlock's rotation. This could change though with 3.1 and the Molten Core talent relocation.

Doesn't demonic pact stack with ToW, and why not count the part sp that comes through fel armor? Also, for the 0/40/31 spec, does the imp glyph really do more dps then immo glyph?

Demonic Pact does not stack with ToW. Demonic Pact does not benefit from spellpower gained through spirit, so it also does not benefit from fel armor.

I wonder

ISB "nerf" 5%
Inci: glyph 5% + MC
Still SB > Inci ? (MC -> immo, SB, aura)

Sould I spamm inci in deep demono ?
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9637
with glyph: meta, inci, gg (maybe immo, life tap ?)

So a raid in general won't be gaining on having a meta/ruin warlock? How sad Just a bit more sp then the flametongue totem if you don't have an elemental shaman.

I understand that the sims are going for optimal, I guess what I didn't get across properly was that I was relating the info to my situation, where typically I will be the only lock, and we won't have a crit chicken, spriest and what not.

That being said, given those conditions, my theoretical output would actually be lower than the sims show. Affliction especially seems affected more than the other specs if there isn't another afflock in the raid.This would mean, in my eyes at least, that if there aren't multiple locks that typically raid with you, afflic would be a poor choice if you want a high dmg output.

The sim results actually assume the full 15 affliction effects are up on the target at all times. So yes, at the moment, the results for affliction locks may very well be unrealistic for many locks, depending on their typical raid makeup.

But I'm not overly concerned, since there have been blue posts acknowledging that the current Soul Siphon breaks with the whole "bring the player not the class" mantra, so they're planning on changing it.

I mentioned before that the 0/41/30 spec might benefit from a few talent changes. I see that you have moved a point out of MC and into demonic tactics as I suggested. From what I saw using the current Leulier spreadsheet was that DT is a static 65dps increase per point while each point in MC drops in value. The first is approximately 120dps, 80dps for the second, and only 50 for the 3rd.

My first question now is whether MC isnt worth more DPS per point because of the "Soul Fire Execute" mechanic. Is it worth having MC uptime increased for that decimate phase of the fight or is the 3rd point still better in DT?

Second question I dont think I had answered before when I asked, but dont we still need a point in mana feed? Does the Felguard simply not run out of mana? I know it did before without the 1/3 point, now that they changed it to 1 point for 100% isnt it better than any points in Master Summoner?

I am currently running essentially the same spec that you link, but I have 2 points in HS which is far more useful than 2 in master summoner, and 1 point in mana feed instead of the Fel Domination. I am assuming that you wont need quick resummons on your demon with the Fel Synergy change, as it is on live I rarely ever lose my pet other than Sarth +Drakes. While these points in HS and Mana Feed may not change the DPS output for your simulator, I would bet that you will have alot of warlocks running around with a carbon copy of your test spec because they saw it is top DPS output and wont change common sense adjustments like this. Perhaps show these changes in your link for their sake?

And let me know if you have done testing on the MC vs DT issue and determined that DTx3 is indeed still better than MCx3, I am very curious since there was only a 15dps difference between them on live.

Thanks alot for all your work.

:EDIT: Oh I forgot another question... on 0/13/58, do you conflag every CD (like I know you do on 0/40/31) or do you time it so that one of the Conflags falls on the sub 5 sec range for the extra crit chance (F&B)? Assuming you cast Immol -> Conflag and then again 10s later, you will be in the sub 5 range, however the next set will not, it would be refresh immol while conflag had approx 5 sec left and it is likely depending on lag, haste etc. that you could miss your 4th conflag completely before immol drops off. Just wondering how you have it modeled since I expect this to be my "dual spec" option for another replenishment buff.

Warlock changes in the new PTR build.

I've tested it, yes - it's a minor difference, but 3/5 DT wins by 17DPS in my simulation.

As for the other stuff, I think it's people's own problem if their pet runs out of mana without them noticing.

Holy crap... That should make affliction blow everything else out of the water again. On top of that, they get a Doomguard every 30 minutes meaning they *can* have one 50% of the time. So much for spec parity.

You can't assume they will have one 50% of the time, especially when wiping on bosses. You can have 1 every 30 min. In naxx clear yea thats 50% of the time, in ulduar hard mode happy fun time, you get one attempt with a doomgaurd every 30 min.

Also note that Soul Siphon went form +60% additional damage to +18% additional damage (in ideal scenarios of course). The net effect of the changes will still be a significant DPS gain I'd assume. The doomguard change is fun, but won't change too much on progression kills since you'll still only be able to use it once every handful of attempts.

Drain Soul Execute just got a pretty huge nerf through Soul Siphon though. I bet when it's all said and done, Affliction will be higher than it is, but not by a lot.

The new siphon life effect adding 5% to corruption and unstable affliction is pretty good, and the nerf to 18% on soul siphon should make affliction-warlocks "self-sufficient", so the simulations should return a value closer to the actual result, seeing as most raids don't have 15 affliction dots on the target.

Depends on your raid makeup, I guess this is a YMMV situation - I'm the only afflock in my guild and at *most* raid with 2 other 41/30 spec locks, so this nerf won't hit as hard as it would someone raiding with 2 or more locks providing full debuffs. I think with the other buffs to the aff tree I'll see a slight DPS increase, but I'll hold my breath until the math wizards get their hands on the new notes.

OP updated with results featuring these latest affliction changes. I rushed through the code modifications, so beware of bugs, but the numbers look pretty reasonable to me.

Hmm I really was expecting more from this that those numbers, did the DS nerf heart over all damage out put that badly?

That's fine, but why shouldn't that same 500-600 dps boost for 15 minutes apply to deep demo and demo hybrid builds as well? I'd like to see them apply all Demonology buffs to the Doomguard as if it was a Felguard. Do that, and we might well have all three specs with a DG really close at the top of the chart. Isn't that the goal?

edited: typed before seeing previous replies

I made a thread on this using the calculations for our spells in the Dots and You thread. Here's the link.

Based on how much of your overal damage you get from Corruption, UA, and Drain Soul, it can be a nerf or a buff. The averages I dug out of various patchwerk fights shows that its approximately a 1.5% dps increase, but of course this is subjective fight by fight.

Edit: Simulationcraft includes these as well, but I'm leaving my post up in case someone wants to see the paper math or correct me somehow - I'd love feedback.

That is a pretty significant dpet nerf to DS It wouldn't be terrible if they didn't cap the talent.