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Old 11/21/10, 6:54 AM   #2986
chronoxx
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
La Croisade Ecarlate (EU)
Originally Posted by Liniris View Post
ISF doesn't stack with BL.
Sure but then why casting so many SF since the DPET is lower than SB's one ? I guess there should be as many SF as ISF buffs since it's not worth casting SF during BL.

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Old 11/21/10, 8:02 AM   #2987
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Yeah, turns out there's a bug there - they're casting soul fire twice each time the buff falls off. It's actually not really a bug - the second cast is expected because the buff doesn't trigger until the first cast lands. Right now the action list doesn't let the simmed warlock be smart enough to realize that the second cast will be wasted, but we should have a fix soon.

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Old 11/21/10, 10:33 AM   #2988
Berthold
Don Flamenco
 
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Pandaren Warrior
 
Madmortem (EU)
While Demon Soul is up (20% more dot damage) the DPCT of Drain Life is higher than ShadowBolt:
using the T11_372 profile I get 22771 dps and switching to DL while DS is up gives 22952 dps.

actions+=/drain_life,if=buff.demon_soul_felhunter.up
actions+=/shadow_bolt

This should be the same for most Level 85 scenarions, so maybe change it in the .simc and sc_warlock.cpp

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Old 11/21/10, 10:52 AM   #2989
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
The OP has been updated. There've been a few different changes since the last update, and three of them worked together to bring affliction far ahead of the others:

1. The double soul fire problem was affecting all profiles, but was a much more severe dps loss for affliction, for obvious reasons. Destro didn't gain much at all, because fewer soul fire casts means less mana return from soul leech which means there's now a need to life tap.

2. We were modeling ebon imp damage about twice as high as actual in-game numbers, which was artificially boosting demo and destro dps.

3. We had a too-low base damage on unstable affliction.

Additionally, after adjusting infernal and doomguard damage to more closely match tested mechanics, infernal turns out to be slightly better than doomguard, so all profiles use the infernal now.

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Old 11/21/10, 12:44 PM   #2990
Kimbra
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Ravenholdt (EU)
Hi, sorry for my English.
I've tried to put in my profile Warlock_Affliction_T11_372.simc the use Drain Life during the buff Demon Soul.
The result is this:




It might be a good thing.


Edit:
Ops I read now that he had already written this Berthold! Sorry Berthold!

Last edited by Kimbra : 11/22/10 at 1:58 PM.

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Old 11/22/10, 10:52 AM   #2991
Calinette
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Bloodscalp
I noticed something I'm not sure I understand with one of the new profiles, and my apologies if I missed this in the last few pages. The Affliction T10/T11 profiles do not have the line "actions+=/shadow_bolt,if=buff.shadow_trance.react" that the AffDrain profiles have. Also, the AffDrain_T10 profile has a bad link, but it is easy enough to figure out.

Is it intended that the regular Affliction profiles prioritize LifeTap above instant Shadow Bolts, with the result being that you can omit the Shadow Bolt on Shadow Trance command, since regular SB would come after LT in the priority list anyway?

Thanks for all the work that goes into maintaining this.

Last edited by Calinette : 11/22/10 at 11:24 AM.

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Old 11/22/10, 12:01 PM   #2992
VoidStar
Piston Honda
 
Human Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Shadow Trance has a 10 second duration, so it's unlikely to have expired by the time you get back to it, and even if it did it would still be better to use the higher DPET abilities above it and waste the proc. The mana threshold ensures that you can always cast those more important spells if you need to.

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Old 11/22/10, 12:09 PM   #2993
Calinette
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by VoidStar View Post
Shadow Trance has a 10 second duration, so it's unlikely to have expired by the time you get back to it, and even if it did it would still be better to use the higher DPET abilities above it and waste the proc. The mana threshold ensures that you can always cast those more important spells if you need to.
I understand the importance of casting higher DPET abilities, I'm just wondering what change between the Affliction and AffDrain profiles would cause the deprioritization (removal?) of SB with Shadow Trance.

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Old 11/22/10, 12:32 PM   #2994
VoidStar
Piston Honda
 
Human Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
EDIT: It seems I've made a poor assumption about what the Felguard's "basic attack" was here as poitned out by Zakalwe below. Life Tap would seem to be back.

I notice that the level 85 Demology profile gets only 48997.5 mana from Mana Feed and 274559.2 mana from Life Tap. That's an awful lot more life tapping than required on live at 80.

If the Felguard uses his basic attack 204.2 times with a 25.2% crit rate he should proc Mana Feed 51.5 times. At 4% mana returned per proc he should be returning us 2.06 times our total mana. However, 48997.5 mana is only a little over half of the initial mana (95708) instead of a little over twice as much as I might have hoped.

Has Mana Feed been significantly nerfed, or is the model perhaps providing 1% of total mana by mistake, or is there some other mechanism I'm missing? The level 80 Demonologist almost never life taps, but the 85 one has had to life tap about 14 times over the course of the fight (reverse engineering the numbers from his health and mana returned).

Last edited by VoidStar : 11/22/10 at 12:41 PM. Reason: Humble pie.

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Old 11/22/10, 12:35 PM   #2995
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
The felguard's "basic attack" is legion strike, not melee swings.

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Old 11/22/10, 12:36 PM   #2996
VoidStar
Piston Honda
 
Human Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by Calinette View Post
I understand the importance of casting higher DPET abilities, I'm just wondering what change between the Affliction and AffDrain profiles would cause the deprioritization (removal?) of SB with Shadow Trance.
The normal Aff profile will still cast Shadow Bolt with Shadow Trance, it just doesn't require the condition because he'd be casting a Shadow Bolt anyway.

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Old 11/22/10, 1:19 PM   #2997
Vielimir
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Gurubashi
Sorry about my english.

One simple question: someone already made a simulation using a troll warlock character?

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Old 11/22/10, 1:56 PM   #2998
Calinette
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by VoidStar View Post
The normal Aff profile will still cast Shadow Bolt with Shadow Trance, it just doesn't require the condition because he'd be casting a Shadow Bolt anyway.
Yes, the way the priorities are currently structured, SB w/Trance and SB without are at the same priority, so multiple lines are redundant. I just couldn't find a post confirming that this behavior was intended, rather than a mistaken omission of the SB w/ST line. If this was covered earlier and I missed it, my apologies.

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Old 11/22/10, 4:08 PM   #2999
mephìsto
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Lightbringer
Has anyone run a simulation on pre-BiS values and spec priority?

It'd be nice to know what we should be gearing for and possibly chasing as a spec in order to maximize DPS at entry level raiding gear. I imagine haste has a greater value, as well as hit pre-BiS. Can someone confirm and or post in the appropriate thread for entry level raiding simulationcraft?

I wonder because it is going to be at least a month or two until we have anywhere near these ratings on our gear and at current scales, raiding is definitely in need of maximizing early DPS to overcome the requirements on some of these encounters.

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Old 11/22/10, 4:35 PM   #3000
wasniahC
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
One thing, it was mentioned earlier that the requirement to activate the chaotic meta gem will be changed; it looks to be much more limitting, when more than half of the intellect from your gems has to become hit, which is reforged away on gear (mostly into the second best "secondary" stat) - Moving intellect into the secondary stat on more than half your gems will become a greater DPS loss as you get more gem slots, despite the crit bonus damage being worth more with higher stats.
I'd predict chaotic meta will be nice to start out, since we will most likely need to gem hit to reach the cap anyway, and when we start to get more gear with sockets, there will be a point where it is overtaken.

The question is, will that point be in 4.0? Has a simcraft been run that uses more intellect gem and less hit gems, with more gear reforged to hit, to test this? Or will that be done later?

Edit: I noticed something in the spell priorities in the demonology sim that might yield a DPS increase
Immolation aura is effectively limited to one use per meta form, regardless of if it is higher priority to things such as corruption and shadowflame, and incinerate, i.e if I have a choice between using corruption and immolation aura, I can use corruption and immo aura would replace a shadow bolt, whereas if I use immo aura first, corruption is being delayed by a GCD. Waiting with immolation aura won't mean I lose dps on it, since after the CD is up, I have to wait til the next meta.

On the other hand, if you have bad luck with how your abilities allign, it could be delayed, which I would guess is why it is above corruption/shadowflame/incinerate.

Perhaps the best solution would be to have two entries for immolation aura - One with higher priority than some rotational abilities/DoTs, with a certain time frame (10<x<17?), and one with a lower priority, below molten core; that way, it never makes you lose DPS on rotational abilities, dots, and wasted molten core proccs, unless it would be delayed so long that it loses ticks.

Last edited by wasniahC : 11/22/10 at 5:07 PM.

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