SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 21

Mystearica · 03/02/09, 9:12 AM

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Oh? Wow then. Odd that it doesn't mention that in the tooltip.

It did when the PTR was first released & also in the patch notes I believe.

Screenshot on the PTR from about 30sec ago:
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5...0209090936.jpg

duhwhat · 03/02/09, 9:49 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The fix results in a pretty big boost to the affliction profile.

Zakalwe, I was wondering how this in turn influences your previous testing with Ruin affecting Pandemic. Do you see even more of an improvement?

Krazen · 03/02/09, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by supplicium

No I said it the other way and edited it, he was right in his post, I just didn't edit quick enough.

I'm not sure that an extra CB every ~70 seconds is better than 5% on incinerate any ways I'm just a curious cat and want to see where that leads me. It's essentially 1 extra cast worth 2-4k more than an incinerate every 70 seconds vs 5% increase on incinerate, so if you get roughly 3k dmg more every 70 seconds from glyph of incinerate than it is better.

The difference isn't anywhere close to that. Chaos bolt does ~200 dmg more than incinerate on 1 of maalaki's parses, and 700 more on the other. 500 dmg over 70 seconds is essentially nothing.

• Zakalwe · 03/02/09, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by duhwhat

Zakalwe, I was wondering how this in turn influences your previous testing with Ruin affecting Pandemic. Do you see even more of an improvement?

This is what it'd look like if ruin affected pandemic crits:

fallenman · 03/02/09, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Maalakai

Here are some Destruction parses from the DPS Patchwerk boss guy in Ulduar right now:

Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)

Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)

Spec I used is 3/13/55, Immolate, Incinerate, and Conflagrate glyphs.

Cordi was using 3/22/46 I believe.

Here's an Affliction parse, but it didn't get my pet for some reason (used a Felhunter):

Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)

With the pet I was around 5800 or so. Used Immolate, Corruption, and Curse of Agony glyphs.

New glyphs aren't available on the PTR yet.

Thanks for posting these. Yesterday I had done a few DPS attempts with a group on the DPS patchwerk boss, as affliction, and was really disappointed in the results. Without my succubus DPS I was at about 5200 on my best test. The spec I used was here:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I'm sure glyph of Haunt and Lifetap would help, but they aren't available yet, as you said. Can you link what affliction spec you were using yesterday?

Edit: I see glyph of lifetap and the 200% crit damage from pandemic would definitely be helping affliction out. Zakalwe, for the non-DG simcraft runs for affliction, one would basically remove about 770dps from the DG result, correct?

Evyle · 03/02/09, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

This is what it'd look like if ruin affected pandemic crits:

I would love to see that happen. Three different lock playstyle specs all within 1% dps of each other. Finally locks would have a choice.

edit - not counting doomguard as that is something you can not sustain for a wipefest learning a boss type situation.

• Zakalwe · 03/02/09, 11:11 AM

I've been testing on the PTR and I really have to question whether it's possible to weave shadow bolts and soul fires while in immolation range. I can't get it to work at all except at max range. I suppose if you had close to 0ms lag you might be able to stand on top of the boss and have your SB hit before your SF cast starts, but that doesn't seem very realistic.

I think I'll have to change the meta profile so it doesn't use immolation below 35%.

EDIT: Turns out this is a loss of less than 10 DPS, so not a big deal.

Arnath · 03/02/09, 11:21 AM

Why would adding points in Soul Leech and Improved Soul Leech increase your DPS? Doesn't the sim already assume you have Replenishment?

supplicium · 03/02/09, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Arnath

Why would adding points in Soul Leech and Improved Soul Leech increase your DPS? Doesn't the sim already assume you have Replenishment?

ISL is not exclusively a replenishment, while that is a factor it also generates it's own mana for the warlock and his pet which is a dps boost as you no longer have to LT as often.

• Zakalwe · 03/02/09, 11:24 AM

Improved Soul Leech doesn't just provide replenishment, it has the personal mana return from pre-3.1 as well, doesn't it?

Xeephran · 03/02/09, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Improved Soul Leech doesn't just provide replenishment, it has the personal mana return from pre-3.1 as well, doesn't it?

Yes; see also what supplicium wrote above.

Arnath · 03/02/09, 11:33 AM

Ah I didn't realize they had kept the original mana return.

Mokoko · 03/02/09, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've been testing on the PTR and I really have to question whether it's possible to weave shadow bolts and soul fires while in immolation range. I can't get it to work at all except at max range. I suppose if you had close to 0ms lag you might be able to stand on top of the boss and have your SB hit before your SF cast starts, but that doesn't seem very realistic.

I think I'll have to change the meta profile so it doesn't use immolation below 35%.

EDIT: Turns out this is a loss of less than 10 DPS, so not a big deal.

even if its just a 10 dps loss it is possible to get a 1:1 incin/SB > SF rotation.

You must have spellstone and stand at 25+ yards away. The rotation to make it work at the start is Incin > Immo > Incin > SF.

What happen is the first Incin/SB has the travel time, while this happens you refreash immo (or just LT if you dont need the refreah yet) now decimation should be up. You cast the next Incin/SB to hit after you have consumed the decimation buff (to know if it will work your SF should have a cast time of about 1.3 seconds, if its greater then that you may need to move to 30+ yards, travel time is about 1.5 seconds so if its greater then that you may need more haste or assume you will be under lust at 35% and below). Now once in the rotation you can cast Incin/SB > SF as the rotation, recast dots and get right back into the cast, just dont try and recast all dots at the same time because you will need atleast 3.5 seconds to keep the cycle going or decimation could drop off (silly 10 second buff)

BTW great work so far, I have been following the thread verry close from the side lines

• Zakalwe · 03/02/09, 12:14 PM

I wasn't talking about immolate, I was talking about the meta immolation aura, which requires you to be in melee range. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

leino · 03/02/09, 12:15 PM

I see you didn't take demonic empowerment in your 0/41/30 spec, is 2% crit > DE ?