SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 28

Naforce · 03/04/09, 5:26 AM

Originally Posted by achille

I have a quick question about the base stats used in the simcraft. For example:

Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15 DPS=5908.6 (Error=+/-1.2 Range=+/-585) DPR=17.7 RPS=334.8/276.7 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=14.1% crit=16.7% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=11.3% crit=12.3% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%

Player=Warlock_T8_03_52_16 DPS=6044.6 (Error=+/-1.2 Range=+/-582) DPR=18.8 RPS=322.2/262.9 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=59 agility=61 stamina=1257 intellect=968 spirit=541 health=19353 mana=20722
Spell Stats: power=2000 hit=11.1% crit=18.4% penetration=0 haste=15.2% mp5=0
Attack Stats: power=737 hit=8.8% crit=14.1% expertise=0.0 penetration=0 haste=15.2%

Why is that again?

If you would have read the previous posts, you would have understood since I asked the exact same question earlier. The simulartor assumes that when you spec hit cap instead of gear it, you switch 75 hit rating vs 75 crit rating (I think those was the numbers).

achille · 03/04/09, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by Naforce

If you would have read the previous posts, you would have understood since I asked the exact same question earlier. The simulartor assumes that when you spec hit cap instead of gear it, you switch 75 hit rating vs 75 crit rating (I think those was the numbers).

Weird, I always use the option "go to first unread post", must have skipped it. Anyway, this conversion doesn't make the slightest sense to me, if this is what it does, Warlock_T8_03_52_16 could be the top dps spec.

Grevann · 03/04/09, 5:35 AM

Originally Posted by achille

Weird, I always use the option "go to first unread post", must have skipped it. Anyway, this conversion doesn't make the slightest sense to me, if this is what it does, Warlock_T8_03_52_16 would be the top dps spec.

Go read this post.

achille · 03/04/09, 5:40 AM

Originally Posted by Grevann

Go read this post.

Thanks, re-reading that page. I'm not exactly sure how fair it is to mantain the ilvl by swapping the best scaling stat with one of the worst stats though, but thanks for the link.

EDIT: just for the sake of it, I swapped the crit gain from the 3% hit from talents with a haste gain. The result is a 6.4 dps increase (the sum of the used crit and haste net 600,53312 dps, swapping the crit gain to a haste gain to preserve the ilvl nets 606,99652), so a very marginal one. Converting the full free budget in spellpower would up the 03_52_16 value more, converting it in intellect would up 03_52_16 less, I guess we can say that with crit being in the middle of the spectrum, it's a reasonable assumption, so I'll retract my previous comment and agree with the numbers here.

Whitetooth · 03/04/09, 7:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anyakfe

I've just tried and got 5 procs (spamming coa) :
09:18:41
09:19:27 00:00:46
09:20:12 00:00:45
09:21:03 00:00:51
09:21:37 00:00:34
09:21:52 00:00:15
(avg time betweend 2 procs : 38sec)

It seams that there is not internal cooldown.
Based on my (very very small) set of data it should be around the proc should be around ... 4% (38/1.5) ?
But I agree that we need a bigger set of data

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My tests show that it has a very high proc rate with a 45 sec CD

PTR 0.1.0.9637
20:01:39> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:02:25> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:03:10> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:04:00> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:04:45> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:05:33> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:06:20> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:07:07> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:07:55> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:08:42> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].
20:09:31> [Your] Lightweave applied [You].

Shodan30 · 03/04/09, 9:09 AM

Excellent. I'm glad I gave Blizzard the chance to do something with Tailoring. I hope it goes live as it is.

macpain · 03/04/09, 10:00 AM

Been playing around with the new talentcalc today and a 30/0/41 shadowdestro with coe+corruption+SP for pyroclasm+SB spam looks like it could do some decent damage.

Has anyone done simulations with this to se how it would turn out?

Bosmonster · 03/04/09, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by macpain

Been playing around with the new talentcalc today and a 30/0/41 shadowdestro with coe+corruption+SP for pyroclasm+SB spam looks like it could do some decent damage.

Has anyone done simulations with this to se how it would turn out?

That build does not make sense. No Soul Siphon, no imp CoA, Pyroclasm without conflagrate (gonna spam Searing Pain or something for that??).

I doubt going deep into destruction is better DPS then filling up on Affliction for Haunt/UA/Pandemic either.

Warlocomotif · 03/04/09, 11:04 AM

That would make tailoring overpowered :/
Between
20:01:39 and 20:09:31 there are 10 non-overlapping procs.
Total time in seconds:
(7*60) + 52=472
Uptime in seconds:
10*15=150
Uptime in %:
150/472=32%

32% of 250 Spellpower = ~79.45 Spellpower.
If I went by scale factors from post 1:

Warlock_T8_00_41_30 intellect=0.37 spirit=0.66 spell_power=1.29 hit_rating=2.02 crit_rating=0.60 haste_rating=0.90

23 haste * 0.9 = 20.7 dps
79.45 spellpower * 1.29 = 102.49 dps
DPS gain from lightweave = 81.79 DPS

In comparison, enhcanting gives you:
38 * 1.29 = 49.02 DPS

Why can't blizzard just... Make tailoring balanced? It *really* wouldn't be difficult.

madindehead · 03/04/09, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by macpain

Been playing around with the new talentcalc today and a 30/0/41 shadowdestro with coe+corruption+SP for pyroclasm+SB spam looks like it could do some decent damage.

Has anyone done simulations with this to se how it would turn out?

I doubt that shadow destruction would still be viable. There are just too many talents in the destruction tree that involve fire.

rutiene · 03/04/09, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

That would make tailoring overpowered :/
Between
20:01:39 and 20:09:31 there are 10 non-overlapping procs.
Total time in seconds:
(7*60) + 52=472
Uptime in seconds:
10*15=150
Uptime in %:
150/472=32%

32% of 250 Spellpower = ~79.45 Spellpower.
If I went by scale factors from post 1:

23 haste * 0.9 = 20.7 dps
79.45 spellpower * 1.29 = 102.49 dps
DPS gain from lightweave = 81.79 DPS

In comparison, enhcanting gives you:
38 * 1.29 = 49.02 DPS

Why can't blizzard just... Make tailoring balanced? It *really* wouldn't be difficult.

To be honest, I can see them buffing all profession bonuses. If you take a look at Jewelcrafting in 3.1, with the new epic gems, the bonus of using Dragon's Eyes is going to go down significantly.

Shodan30 · 03/04/09, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

That would make tailoring overpowered :/
Why can't blizzard just... Make tailoring balanced? It *really* wouldn't be difficult.

Considering it has been massively underpowered for so long and that new patterns will be out for other professions i have no problem with it being OP. At least for a time. Lets be honest here, right now this one ability is the only reason someone has to level tailoring to 450 and this only helps casters.

That does not make the entire profession OP. It makes it viable for the people already at 450 and have had nothing to do with it since they made their last glacial bag (which is still not a profession only perk).

Seir · 03/04/09, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by macpain

Been playing around with the new talentcalc today and a 30/0/41 shadowdestro with coe+corruption+SP for pyroclasm+SB spam looks like it could do some decent damage.

Has anyone done simulations with this to se how it would turn out?

That build does not make sense. No Soul Siphon, no imp CoA, Pyroclasm without conflagrate (gonna spam Searing Pain or something for that??).

I doubt that shadow destruction would still be viable. There are just too many talents in the destruction tree that involve fire.

I doubt going deep into destruction is better DPS then filling up on Affliction for Haunt/UA/Pandemic either.

31/0/40

Yeah this would make more sense to me if it was to be tried at all, the added fire talents in destro would strengthen it, but it's probably not better then deep affliction.

duhwhat · 03/04/09, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

That does not make the entire profession OP.

I would disagree with you there, any profession that provides ~25 sp over all others makes it required for all DPS casters.

whi · 03/04/09, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by rutiene

To be honest, I can see them buffing all profession bonuses. If you take a look at Jewelcrafting in 3.1, with the new epic gems, the bonus of using Dragon's Eyes is going to go down significantly.

Luckily - at least for us jewelcrafters that would change their profession if its subpar - those are not "epic gems" as we know them from bt/mh. More likely some kind of quest reward similiar to tbc's mgt ones, as they're unique-equipped(as can be seen here) and all the cuts have the same gem name(stormjewel) which seems really unlikely for jewelcrafting.