SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 3

ExinferisD · 02/26/09, 3:53 PM

Was just wondering about 0/40/31? I'm having a hard time belieiving that 0/41/30 (Felguard) would provide more dps than: An imp, 5% crit (for both warlock + imp), and Conflag every 10 seconds (I was getting 11-12k crits on a target dummy).

Also, this doesn't include raid buffs/debuffs does it? I think that might bump Meta/Ruin up a bit more since the Felguard gets a huge boost from the physical damage debuffs/buffs.

Emolate · 02/26/09, 3:59 PM

It was B).

For other users, the change is made in your Globals.simcraft if you're referencing it.

Are you interested in hearing what the best results are from us, or are you interested in getting a broader sample of configs?

gox · 02/26/09, 4:00 PM

Zakalwe: Thanks for the good work! Any chance we can get access to a SimCraft with the new things incorporated? Would save a lot of effort of constantly requesting "Could you test this build"?

brymortis · 02/26/09, 4:12 PM

Sorry to add, but do you think you can try out this build?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

And thanks for all the good work.

vaestmanaeyjar · 02/26/09, 4:23 PM

Another consideration is moving the point from Improved Drain Soul to Demonic Power so long as threat is not an issue.

Overall threat is likely to change a bit, since SL damage and healing got changed.
Just taking yesterday stats from Sapphiron (tried to take something longer than PW explosion) SL is worth 7.7% of my aggro and the healing part is another 3.9%. Which puts it in third place after SB and Corruption as a threat generator, right before Immolate.

Darklawdog · 02/26/09, 4:35 PM

Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to use it? I'm new to it, and I can run the simulations, but don't know how to set my own up.

Thanks,

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by ostoles

With the updated damage breakdown in the original post, I do not see soul fire listed in the actions for either 0/56/15 or 0/41/30. Is there a bug with the display of that information in this section or is the bug you mentioned still in existence?

Oops - I actually forgot to replace the executable after fixing the bug. I reran again, and updated the original post. That's a pretty major difference - hopefully someone who has time to do some math can provide a sanity check on those soul fire numbers.

• bartolimu · 02/26/09, 5:23 PM

Originally Posted by brymortis

Sorry to add, but do you think you can try out this build?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

And thanks for all the good work.

I've been looking at similar spec, but I'm not sure that's the optimal way to go about it. Depending on how much crit we end up with, Empowered Imp might be a greater DPS boost than Molten Core. Something along the lines of this: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614 I'm not sure about that last point going into F&B, but I don't see anywhere else to put it that gives any form of DPS boost.

overg · 02/26/09, 5:29 PM

Interesting to note that none of the specs we're playing with here include improved healthstone. Will that be something new to this patch, or have I just not noticed it before?

If these numbers hold up I wouldn't be surprised to see a small nerf to Meta locks. Being the second highest dps spec plus bringing two nifty buffs to the raid (demonic pact and ISB) might be a little too good to be true. On the other hand, it looks like the spec will be more complicated to play, what with juggling more Meta's and handling whatever the shadowbolt/soul fire rotation ends up being during decimate while trying to keep molten core up. It could end up being one of those specs that really, really separates the experts from the casuals. I'd certainly be fine with that (even though I'm personally far closer to the latter than the former).

Kzaranagax · 02/26/09, 5:44 PM

How many affliction debuffs are assumed for the calculation of drain soul damage in the simulation of Warlock_T8_54_00_17 ?

• Zakalwe · 02/26/09, 5:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kzaranagax

How many affliction debuffs are assumed for the calculation of drain soul damage in the simulation of Warlock_T8_54_00_17 ?

12. In general, these simulations model "ideal" raid environments with all possible buffs.

Costus · 02/26/09, 5:51 PM

for non-hit capped locks, taking the extra 3% from surpression, would you go with an imp spec until you have the gear to pull those 3 points back?
something like this?:
3/38/30

any ideas? could you run this through the new simcraft?

I was thinking then for glyphs:
- imp
- incinerate
? immolate or life tap to capitalize the t7 bonus...

Eeks · 02/26/09, 5:58 PM

Just a note on the affliction cast sequence... Not sure where it fits in anymore but you don't have a separate function for nightfall procs

MagisterLudi · 02/26/09, 6:02 PM

Perhaps some thought might be invested in the following spec, or some a variant thereof;

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...5&version=9614

Glyphed CoA/Immolate/Felguard

Seems many people have arrived at :

SB --> SoulFire --> SB --> SoulFire

as the optimal rotation sub 35%, while skipping the re-application of DoTs.

Perhaps, sub 35% corruption may be skipped, resulting in:
Agony (for Molton Core) --> Immolate --> Incin --> SoulFire --> Incin --> Soulfire --> refresh/repeat

As I am not certain of the 3.1 coefficients/DPCT, it may be better to forgo Immo if being maintained by another warlock.

I will attempt to get some Simcraft data/wws on dummies/Dr.Boom (not sure if those methods will yield clean data w/ a host of debuffs applied to the target by other folks.

Perhaps someone has already explored this avenue? I greatly appreciate your feedback, and the effort everyone is putting forth.

*EDIT* Would seem foolish in retrospect not to switch out Glyph of Agony with Glyph of Incinerate.
*EDIT2* For clarity.

Kzaranagax · 02/26/09, 6:04 PM

12 affliction debuffs is a realistic number with 3 warlocks whom 2 are affliction, but the "ideal" is 15 for a max bonus of 60% on the drain soul damage, isn't it ?

Does the simulation on pre-patch data showing 55/0/16-DG as the best spec use 12 or 15 debuffs, and in this last case, could you provide us simulation of affliction damage with doomguard and maximized DS ?