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Old 03/08/09, 1:03 AM   #541
angaroth
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"

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Old 03/08/09, 1:17 AM   #542
Kryptik
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Illidan
Could you try the 40/31 spec with Demonic Empowerment and 2/5 DT instead and see how that comes out?

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Old 03/08/09, 3:08 AM   #543
Malathar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by angaroth View Post
Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"
My guess is you gain more spell power from demonic knowledge using a felguard than from using an imp.

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Old 03/08/09, 3:13 AM   #544
Kooky
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Thaurissan
Hihi

I'm wondering, with the glyph of imp buffed to 20%, and a new glyph of incinerate, how good will be an imp-based, incinerate build for meta/ruin?

Could anybody run through a simcraft for this build ( 0/54/17 )

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glyphs will be incinerate, immolate and imp.

Reason is, imp MD buff give's fire spells an extra 5% crit. Demonic empowerment for imp last 30secs. Molten core will add another 10% damage to fire ( which also means instead of CoD, we will be casting CoA, plus corruption for MC procs ).

Not sure whether all these buffs will overcome the incinerate's lower spellpower coefficient deficit in a meta/ruin spec.

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Old 03/08/09, 3:34 AM   #545
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by angaroth View Post
Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"
It's caused by the 5% extra crit given by the imp's Master Demonologist buff. You'll notice the 40/31 lock crits about 5% more than the 41/30 lock.

EDIT: I just realized your question was put the other way around, so my answer looks weird to anyone not looking at the numbers from the OP. But it's the 41/30 lock's SF that does 300 less DPET than the 40/31 lock, because of a 5% lower crit rate.

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Old 03/08/09, 11:43 AM   #546
Bessa
Von Kaiser
 
Human Warlock
 
Stormrage (EU)
For the 40/31 spec, is there any gain to come from utilizing Infernal under 1min left on teh fight? i know it used to be that way a while back.

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Old 03/08/09, 12:32 PM   #547
fathercaine
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.

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Old 03/08/09, 12:43 PM   #548
Naforce
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Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by fathercaine View Post
Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.
Please link your spec and glyph setup.

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Old 03/08/09, 12:44 PM   #549
Liania
Banned
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Mazrigos (EU)
Originally Posted by fathercaine View Post
Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.
Might want to mention that you were using a doomguard when you did 6.3k

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Old 03/08/09, 6:43 PM   #550
Robi
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Orc Warlock
 
Eredar (EU)
Originally Posted by Naforce View Post
Please link your spec and glyph setup.
0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag

That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.

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Old 03/08/09, 6:53 PM   #551
Illijilli
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Kil'Jaeden
Originally Posted by Robi View Post
0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag

That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.
Might I get a glance at the WWS? Curious about the damage breakdown between your different spells.

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Old 03/09/09, 6:13 AM   #552
Grobyc
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Orc Warlock
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Robi View Post
0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag

That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.
The problem with that spec that I can probably guess is that because Conflagrate relies on Immolate damage, losing FnB is going to hurt your damage a lot. Furthermore, Chaos Bolt benefits from the Backdrafts more than Incinerates do and is already more DPS/C and DPM than Incinerate even without Backdraft.

Although I understand that this thread is not about the live builds, the build that you're suggesting is still weaker than 2/13/56 currently on live. I see no reason why it would be better after the patch, especially seeing as how FnB will now have a higher priority in the choice of talents. 0/28/43's strongest point is the ability to sacrifice the imp and summon a doomguard or infernal, but also seeing as how demonic sacrifice is being removed, I don't see any real advantage in the choice of talents over say something like heavy destro or 40/31. I don't have any numbers to put up, but it's just my preliminary guess on what the results will be.

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Old 03/09/09, 8:26 AM   #553
Warlocomotif
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Human Warlock
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Originally Posted by Grobyc View Post
The problem with that spec that I can probably guess is that because Conflagrate relies on Immolate damage, losing FnB is going to hurt your damage a lot. Furthermore, Chaos Bolt benefits from the Backdrafts more than Incinerates do and is already more DPS/C and DPM than Incinerate even without Backdraft.

Although I understand that this thread is not about the live builds, the build that you're suggesting is still weaker than 2/13/56 currently on live. I see no reason why it would be better after the patch, especially seeing as how FnB will now have a higher priority in the choice of talents. 0/28/43's strongest point is the ability to sacrifice the imp and summon a doomguard or infernal, but also seeing as how demonic sacrifice is being removed, I don't see any real advantage in the choice of talents over say something like heavy destro or 40/31. I don't have any numbers to put up, but it's just my preliminary guess on what the results will be.
The spec was alright oon live because you could combine demonic sacrifice with the doomguard. This is also why/how he did near 6.3k DPS. Deeper destro specs do not really have that flexibility (Or rather, they lose a lot more from picking up the doomguard, and they can't combine it with demo sac).

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Old 03/09/09, 8:33 AM   #554
Lrac
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Quick question. The latest patchnotes doesn't say anything about a glyph of incinerate or the glyph of banish. Did they remove it, or is it simply forgotten in the patch notes?

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 3.1.0 Patch Notes - Updated 3/6/09

Last edited by Lrac : 03/09/09 at 8:43 AM.

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Old 03/09/09, 9:23 AM   #555
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Just updated the OP. Couple of changes - first of all, a bug was found that caused the felguard and succubus to not use their cooldown abilities (cleave and lash of pain) often enough. The effect was minor, but it was enough to put 41/30 back on top.

I also added the 0/28/43 spec, because it does outdo deep destro now that master conjuror affects the direct damage increase of the fire stone. I also removed the deep destro doomguard profile because I wanted to reduce clutter, and because I doubt anyone would actually bother summoning a doomguard for an extra 25 DPS.

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