Elitist Jerks SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85)

 03/08/09, 1:03 AM #541 angaroth Piston Honda   Greebo Undead Warlock   Twisting Nether Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"
 03/08/09, 1:17 AM #542 Kryptik Von Kaiser   Dahx Blood Elf Warlock   Illidan Could you try the 40/31 spec with Demonic Empowerment and 2/5 DT instead and see how that comes out?
03/08/09, 3:08 AM   #543
Malathar
Glass Joe

Blackhand
 Originally Posted by angaroth Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"
My guess is you gain more spell power from demonic knowledge using a felguard than from using an imp.

 03/08/09, 3:13 AM #544 Kooky Glass Joe   Kooky Human Warlock   Thaurissan Hihi I'm wondering, with the glyph of imp buffed to 20%, and a new glyph of incinerate, how good will be an imp-based, incinerate build for meta/ruin? Could anybody run through a simcraft for this build ( 0/54/17 ) Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Glyphs will be incinerate, immolate and imp. Reason is, imp MD buff give's fire spells an extra 5% crit. Demonic empowerment for imp last 30secs. Molten core will add another 10% damage to fire ( which also means instead of CoD, we will be casting CoA, plus corruption for MC procs ). Not sure whether all these buffs will overcome the incinerate's lower spellpower coefficient deficit in a meta/ruin spec.
03/08/09, 3:34 AM   #545
Zakalwe
The Chairmaker

Orc Warlock

Balnazzar
 Originally Posted by angaroth Basic math question which might expose a horrible ignorance about my class: "How does a soulfire cast by a 0/40/31 warlock do 300 less DPET than a soulfire cast by a 0/41/30 warlock?"
It's caused by the 5% extra crit given by the imp's Master Demonologist buff. You'll notice the 40/31 lock crits about 5% more than the 41/30 lock.

EDIT: I just realized your question was put the other way around, so my answer looks weird to anyone not looking at the numbers from the OP. But it's the 41/30 lock's SF that does 300 less DPET than the 40/31 lock, because of a 5% lower crit rate.

Last edited by Zakalwe : 03/08/09 at 4:48 AM.

 03/08/09, 11:43 AM #546 Bessa Von Kaiser   Bessalyn Human Warlock   Stormrage (EU) For the 40/31 spec, is there any gain to come from utilizing Infernal under 1min left on teh fight? i know it used to be that way a while back.
 03/08/09, 12:32 PM #547 fathercaine Glass Joe   Crowley Orc Warlock   Mazrigos (EU) Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.
03/08/09, 12:43 PM   #548
Naforce
Piston Honda

Human Warlock

Frostmane (EU)
 Originally Posted by fathercaine Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.

03/08/09, 12:44 PM   #549
Liania
Banned

Blood Elf Warlock

Mazrigos (EU)
 Originally Posted by fathercaine Please add 0/28/43, have a wws with me at 6.3k with that specc, with nowhere near perfect gear.
Might want to mention that you were using a doomguard when you did 6.3k

03/08/09, 6:43 PM   #550
Robi
Glass Joe

Orc Warlock

Eredar (EU)
 Originally Posted by Naforce Please link your spec and glyph setup.
0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag

That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.

03/08/09, 6:53 PM   #551
Illijilli
Von Kaiser

Kil'Jaeden
 Originally Posted by Robi 0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.
Might I get a glance at the WWS? Curious about the damage breakdown between your different spells.

03/09/09, 6:13 AM   #552
Grobyc
Glass Joe

Orc Warlock

Tichondrius
 Originally Posted by Robi 0/28/43: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Glyphs: Imp, Immo, Conflag That's what i'd asume would be highest dps for such a spec.
The problem with that spec that I can probably guess is that because Conflagrate relies on Immolate damage, losing FnB is going to hurt your damage a lot. Furthermore, Chaos Bolt benefits from the Backdrafts more than Incinerates do and is already more DPS/C and DPM than Incinerate even without Backdraft.

Although I understand that this thread is not about the live builds, the build that you're suggesting is still weaker than 2/13/56 currently on live. I see no reason why it would be better after the patch, especially seeing as how FnB will now have a higher priority in the choice of talents. 0/28/43's strongest point is the ability to sacrifice the imp and summon a doomguard or infernal, but also seeing as how demonic sacrifice is being removed, I don't see any real advantage in the choice of talents over say something like heavy destro or 40/31. I don't have any numbers to put up, but it's just my preliminary guess on what the results will be.

03/09/09, 8:26 AM   #553
Warlocomotif
Don Flamenco

Human Warlock

Emerald Dream (EU)
 Originally Posted by Grobyc The problem with that spec that I can probably guess is that because Conflagrate relies on Immolate damage, losing FnB is going to hurt your damage a lot. Furthermore, Chaos Bolt benefits from the Backdrafts more than Incinerates do and is already more DPS/C and DPM than Incinerate even without Backdraft. Although I understand that this thread is not about the live builds, the build that you're suggesting is still weaker than 2/13/56 currently on live. I see no reason why it would be better after the patch, especially seeing as how FnB will now have a higher priority in the choice of talents. 0/28/43's strongest point is the ability to sacrifice the imp and summon a doomguard or infernal, but also seeing as how demonic sacrifice is being removed, I don't see any real advantage in the choice of talents over say something like heavy destro or 40/31. I don't have any numbers to put up, but it's just my preliminary guess on what the results will be.
The spec was alright oon live because you could combine demonic sacrifice with the doomguard. This is also why/how he did near 6.3k DPS. Deeper destro specs do not really have that flexibility (Or rather, they lose a lot more from picking up the doomguard, and they can't combine it with demo sac).

 03/09/09, 8:33 AM #554 Lrac Glass Joe   Lracc Undead Warlock   Twisting Nether (EU) Quick question. The latest patchnotes doesn't say anything about a glyph of incinerate or the glyph of banish. Did they remove it, or is it simply forgotten in the patch notes? World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 3.1.0 Patch Notes - Updated 3/6/09 Last edited by Lrac : 03/09/09 at 8:43 AM.
 03/09/09, 9:23 AM #555 • Zakalwe The Chairmaker   Gobuchul Orc Warlock   Balnazzar Just updated the OP. Couple of changes - first of all, a bug was found that caused the felguard and succubus to not use their cooldown abilities (cleave and lash of pain) often enough. The effect was minor, but it was enough to put 41/30 back on top. I also added the 0/28/43 spec, because it does outdo deep destro now that master conjuror affects the direct damage increase of the fire stone. I also removed the deep destro doomguard profile because I wanted to reduce clutter, and because I doubt anyone would actually bother summoning a doomguard for an extra 25 DPS.

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