Changes to base damage are not that interesting. The buffs that conflagrate got were buffs that applied to the entire spell (which includes spellpower scaling), amking it not only interesting now, but also interesting long term.
[ediit] Interesting change to glyph of immolate, will hit conflag specs the hardest- but will also be pretty meh for demo builds :s

Our 2pc also got a slight nerf.

I downloaded the latest SVN build and made the modifications to the warlock glyphs and bonuses and the dmg changes to chaos bolt. These are the values it returned.

Did anyone ever test if the Immolate bonus from 2 piece T8 also increased Conflag damage? That bonus isn't included in the OP Simulcraft right?

No it's not, it's assumed that it was additive, but the gear sets used did not include the T8 bonuses.

OP has been updated to reflect the CB base damage and glyph of immolate changes.

Thanks for the numbers, they match the immolation currently on live - 481 base damage, 0.143 spell power coefficient.

No they use T7.

Ulduar gear list is not complete yet, so it is not yet possible to make a proper T8 list for it.

However I am interested in how the setbonusses work out for all the builds.

- 4T7
- 2T7 + 2T8
- 4T8

I personally ran through with my current gear and t8 bonuses earlier today prior to the update just to get an idea for how they affect scaling. (Trying to figure out what I should bother spending dkp on prior to 3.1)

The extra stamina scales with your imp and gives it stamina, in turn giving you spellpower through Demonic Knowledge. Mana Feed is not a necessary talent because it is nearly impossible for an imp to go oom in a raid environment.

You've missed it being pointed out several times that the sim currently does not model pet mana usage. It has zero effect on the relevance of the results, though, because you can easily get Mana Feed by dropping a point from Master Summoner, a talent which is entirely unrelated to DPS.

Incidentally, extra stamina does give extra SP for these demo/destro specs, because of Demonic Knowledge.

Better yet Zak, if you have time, could you give a quick runthrough on how to compile these ourselves? I've attempted and failed (Been running simcraft on my pc but my mac is much faster)

You're missing the meta modifier. If you see 577/tick naked, that means it's base damage is 577/1.2=481
((749/1.2)-481)/1001=0.1430 as modifier.

I've started putting together gear sets using the T8-level loot that's been discovered on the PTR. I don't think I'll include any of this in the OP quite yet, but here's the result of running the same simulation with the best PTR gear I could find:


This includes T8 2-piece and 4-piece bonuses. The gear sets are as follows:

Warlock_T8_Hit_Gear.simcraft
Warlock_T8_Gear.simcraft

As a followup here: Another developer was kind enough to immediately put out a new OSX release when I inquired. Does that help you?

I've never actually attempted to compile simcraft on a mac, but I've been told it should be as simple as just typing make.

I compiled it on my Mac just the other day, and it works fine. As you say, it is as simple as running make.

All builds are so close together there is none that really 'takes a big hit'. The first 2 builds have issues:

1. DG is situational
2. 0/40/31 requires optimal SF weaving for that DPS

If you take that into consideration, basically all builds are about equal.

I think all of the top DPS builds have considerations like you mention. I believe Affliction's Drain Soul execute is as difficult to pull off perfectly as SF-weaving due to how you can queue up spells with SF weaving whereas you need to interrupt a spell mid-cast for DS, the latter of which latency will affect more.

Having said that, it looks like SimCraft takes this lag into account on the DPS calculations. The following values are taken from Globals_T7.simcraft:

queue_lag=0.075
channel_lag=0.250

In any case, the rotation is easy if you are standing at the appropriate distance from the boss (I'm guessing there's mods out there that will tell you the distance) for your haste rating as shown earlier in this thread.

Zakalwe, I couldn't find an option to not Lifetap whilst in DS execute range, is it possible to add the health_percentage option for Lifetap or is it a known DPS loss? The reason I ask is that I believe it is more beneficial not to Lifetap during the execute range even with the glyph and 4pt7.

Ideally you'd also want to make sure you tapped just before going into <25% but I guess that might be a bit overkill to code.

Currently on the PTR Demonic Pact benefits from the 30% spirit to spell power from baseline Fel Armor. It does not calculate any bonuses from Demonic Aegis (Imp Armors) or the Life Tap Glyph.

Hopefully that will boost deep Demo. And it's a sign they are going to finish fixing the rest of the bugs, or so I hope.

If you're going to make the argument that 0/40/31 dominates because of optimal SF weaving, and that without that all builds are equal, you have to make the assumption that every other spec listed that uses decimation requires optimal SF weaving to achieve that DPS. You can take this a step farther and make the assumption that affliction achieves its numbers because of optimal use of drain soul; and if you do you arrive at the conclusion that with the removal of all < (Insert % here) abilities 0/40/31 will still out DPS the other specs by a large margin.

The point I'm trying to make is that any issues related to 0/40/31 DPS doesn't stem from conditional abilities because those abilities are not unique to 0/40/31.

Whether Decimation weaving is as easy or as dependable to use as drain soul is another question. But this is starting to get off topic.

No, what I am saying is that all builds are extremely close together already, and that that is solely based on theory/simcraft.

This was as a remark to somebody basically stating that 0/41/30 would be unplayable in 3.1 because it was a few % below 0/40/31. (or at least, that is how I interpreted it)

The different builds are closer together than ever and that is a good thing. You can just take the build you like to play the most and still compete in top DPS.

That said, we still need to see how SF weaving will eventually express itself in DPS in the Ulduar encounters.

Check this post and the two following.