SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 39

Foulander · 03/09/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Orgath

- You do want Decimation (only reason to even think about Destructive Reach)
- You do want Molten Core
- You do want ISB
- There's no reason for Mana Feed /w FG

The OP has the 0/56/15 Spec listed for you to review.
Nemesis would be my personal choice to drop for Suppression if you really do need that.

I overlooked the actual damage buff on iSB, doh.

Towards the other comments, I can understand decimation/MC combo, but dropping mana feed or any of the cooldown supporting talents seems over the edge to me. That being said, I'm still open to consideration from any further comments.

Originally Posted by Nartas

Not sure how the script is running, but since we are dropping corruption but assumably keeping up coa sub 35% is MC uptime being adjusted for this? Especially with only two points in it now. Lastly, what is the MC uptime sup 35 with only coa and 2/3 points?

Dropping corruption?

Nartas · 03/09/09, 3:51 PM

yeah i thought general consensus was to drop corruption while decimating but keep up coa. Is it higher dps to keep them both up under heroism and decimating?

Foulander · 03/09/09, 4:16 PM

Ok, thought you were referring to the immolate/UA thing in 3.1. Nevermind.

Naforce · 03/09/09, 4:26 PM

I never get my decimation proc on the ptr, seems awfully bugged for me. No, I donät get it even when the incinerate has hit (going with 0/40/31 atm).

fathercaine · 03/09/09, 4:27 PM

Why do you have 3 points in Master Demonologist for 0/28/43? Isn't Molten Core better? Just keep coa/corru up and the uptime is ~90%

Grobyc · 03/09/09, 5:34 PM

With the recent knowledge of upcoming Ulduar boss fights and the movement/distance required, I do have to wonder how much damage Decimation spec variants would do if they were forced to do 2xIncinerate due to the distance factor and 1xSF. Also, let's assume that the opposite is true half the time and we are able to get max range to weave Soul Fires, how will that turn out? I'm just trying to see a bit more realistic number compared to the most optimal situation for Decimation specs since they benefit the most in an ideal situation it seems like.

• Zakalwe · 03/09/09, 5:45 PM

Soul fire has the noweave option - just download the most recent release and try it for yourself:

/soul_fire,decimation=1,noweave=1/

MarcAntony · 03/09/09, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by Grobyc

With the recent knowledge of upcoming Ulduar boss fights and the movement/distance required, I do have to wonder how much damage Decimation spec variants would do if they were forced to do 2xIncinerate due to the distance factor and 1xSF. Also, let's assume that the opposite is true half the time and we are able to get max range to weave Soul Fires, how will that turn out? I'm just trying to see a bit more realistic number compared to the most optimal situation for Decimation specs since they benefit the most in an ideal situation it seems like.

This is something I've really been wondering about as well - how effectively each spec will play with hellish RNG involved. In 9/10 situations, I can out dps our much better geared Mages with ease, but in 3D - 10man they and our Hunter smoke me to hell and back on Tenebron dps. So much so that I got dropped from the 10man Ateam /sigh

For reference, is there a consensus which one of the 3.1 specs would be able to (consistently and realistically) put out the most damage on Tenebron considering how much rng/movement is involved?

Eeks · 03/09/09, 6:27 PM

You'll notice a "range" and "error" on the dps breakdowns report. From what simulationcraft is saying, affliction is the most consistent spec.

Bosmonster · 03/09/09, 7:11 PM

That's probably the first time I've seen a full epic profile without enchants or gems.. and that on a 450 JC...

Amazing!

Besides that, you violated rule nr 1: HITCAP (yet you waste talent points on Fel Concentration...)

And you didnt even bother to get rep with Sons of Hodir..

You put no effort at all in improving your gear, and you think it's weird you get kicked out of the A-team? :P I wouldnt have let you in there in the first place looking at your profile once.

Yeda · 03/09/09, 8:22 PM

I think thats a bug with Armory, happen to me once when i logged out full red gear. I think if he repairs and relog will get your gems and enchants "back" :p

Warlocomotif · 03/09/09, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Yeda

I think thats a bug with Armory, happen to me once when i logged out full red gear. I think if he repairs and relog will get your gems and enchants "back" :p

This in fact isnt just the armory, I've had it before on my low level alt priest with spellthread on lvl 1 white pants. I logged out with the, at 0 durability, next time I logged in the pants were still broken and didnt show the enchant anymore (I had no idea what was going on at the time).
I checked the forums to see if there'd been any announcement about existing enchants being removed from low level gear but couldn't find anything- put in a GM ticket about it. Anyway, I repaired, and the next time I logged in the enchant showed up again- so I cancalled the GM ticket which hadn't been responded to yet.

But yeah, can confirm this bug.

[edit] Also I was wondering if it were possible to make an estimated raid DPS increase from demonic pact (IE: 10 spellpower =+5 raid dps), I realize this will not be accurate due to different classes scaling differently with spellpower, but I do think an approximation could be made that gives demo locks a decent idea of the extend to which spellpower should be prioritized.

[edit 2] I also wanted to ask wether the demo specs synchronise CoD with meta or not. Because when this is possible (IE: 2 meta's in 1 fight) the damage benefit is notable.

Heeno · 03/09/09, 11:16 PM

Demonic pact's benefit to the raid cannot be calculated, each class and spec scales differently with spellpower, and group composition is never the same. Also when calculating the actual benefit of it, it must be compared to comparative buffs such as the Totem of Wrath and Flametongue Totem. Don't overlook that healers benefit from demonic pact as well.

Warlocomotif · 03/09/09, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Heeno

Demonic pact's benefit to the raid cannot be calculated, each class and spec scales differently with spellpower, and group composition is never the same. Also when calculating the actual benefit of it, it must be compared to comparative buffs such as the Totem of Wrath and Flametongue Totem. Don't overlook that healers benefit from demonic pact as well.

You can't say:
Every raid will have exactly this amount of DPS gain.

You can say:
An average raid raid will gain roughly this much.
And people would have to go from there to make an educated guess on how it would effect their particular raid.

And no, you shouldnt compare demonic pact with different buffs. Either you have Demonic pact, or you have Totem of Wrath. If you have totem of wrath, you simply ignore Demonic pact's raid DPS portion. If you have demonic pact- you consider the raid DPS portion.

Doing this you might not get a super accurate number, but you'll definitely get a useful number.

Yeda · 03/10/09, 12:36 AM

I was wondering, does SimCraft have an option for pet buff food? I guess is not a great dps increase but just wondering ^^