SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 41

Shodan30 · 03/10/09, 2:04 PM

In the 41/30 build, since you are buffing your felguard as much as you can, what would the dps look like if you went 1 point in molten core instead of 2 and put that other point into empowerment?

Norber · 03/10/09, 2:07 PM

I keep seeing this build posted as the meta ruin build. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

I was wondering why no one is moving points of of Suppression and into imp Agony. Then move the remaining point into aftermath also removing 1 pt from Cataclysm and moving it to aftermath as well. The build will look like this.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

The reasons why i think this is better. Hit from gear is cheap and abundant even in tier 7 content, Mana is almost a non issue. as there will be 5 class/specks providing replenishment. Agony and Immolate will be in your priority list anyway why not boost their damage. I do not have the ability to test these in Simulationcraft ( lack of technical knowledge ). I do believe these will lead to a fairly decent DPS increase for the Meta/Ruin spec.

MarcAntony · 03/10/09, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by Liania

No wonder you get out dps'ed. None of your gear is gemmed or enchanted. And you got immortal titel... Carried much ? lol

As stated, its the armory

My normal raid set stats with FA and Spellstone are aournd 2420dmg, 11.5% crit, and 20% haste with 2pc (and hitcapped of course). And I came into Wrath way late after a 22 month retirement from WoW (hence no SoH rep and inferior gear)

Still.........I top the meters in every Naxx encounter, sometimes Maly, and 3D if I cheat (which I dont). But in 10man 3D I just get pwned on Tenebron dps by our top Hunter and Magii (~10% behind on Tenebron dps) who have Turning Tides, IotDS, etc etc.

Loot · 03/10/09, 2:59 PM

Zakalwe, remove the debuff=1 from affliction template and you get quite a dps increase. Why is that? Also, does the AI precast the spells like immo, ua, etc?

supplicium · 03/10/09, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Loot

Zakalwe, remove the debuff=1 from affliction template and you get quite a dps increase. Why is that? Also, does the AI precast the spells like immo, ua, etc?

I believe it does which is why it was getting bugged with haunt some times. It works like this:

If the debuff has less than castime x left on it than cast else cast [priority spell] than cast debuff.

Emolate · 03/10/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Norber

I was wondering why no one is moving points of of Suppression and into imp Agony.

Because it's a DPS loss.

If you don't have to gem/gear for 3% hit you can gem/gear for more spellpower or other favorable stats. Improving CoA still doesn't make it as attractive as CoD.

Loot · 03/10/09, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by supplicium

I believe it does which is why it was getting bugged with haunt some times. It works like this:

If the debuff has less than castime x left on it than cast else cast [priority spell] than cast debuff.

Okay, thats logical, thats what I do while playing too, but why removing this debuff=1 or making it debuff=0 *increases* the dps rather than decrease it?

Ruic · 03/10/09, 3:38 PM

With the changes to affliction tree, how much DPS would it increase by if dots crit for 200% like they will most likely make it. I saw the charts before but im wondering how that has changed since the talent calc is different.

EDIT: nevermind i didn't look at the changes too hard... they already changed it

henslaved · 03/10/09, 3:41 PM

How are you modelling Lifetap for the 41/30 build utilizing the glyph? Using it on cooldown, when needed, before the fight, etc.?

• Zakalwe · 03/10/09, 4:16 PM

When needed.

Demi9OD · 03/10/09, 4:22 PM

I'd guess Decimation spec's would see the greatest benefit to dropping LT globals during execute. Does the current mana consumption modeled allow for 0 lifetaps for the last 35% of a fight provided you tap frequently enough to nearly top out before reaching 35%?

Raugturi · 03/10/09, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Shodan30

In the 41/30 build, since you are buffing your felguard as much as you can, what would the dps look like if you went 1 point in molten core instead of 2 and put that other point into empowerment?

Molten Core uptime drops by almost 25% and your Felguard gets about 2 extra swings per minute. Should be a DPS loss.

gherkin · 03/10/09, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by henslaved

How are you modelling Lifetap for the 41/30 build utilizing the glyph? Using it on cooldown, when needed, before the fight, etc.?

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

When needed.

This is the correct model. In a 5 minute fight, the difference between Lifetapping every 20 seconds and "As Needed" works out as almost balanced in a solo environment, and favoring "As Needed" in a raid environment (haste procs)

Quick example: In a 5 minute fight, 100% uptime is 15 Lifetaps, which results in a net gain of mana with the stats provided for simulationcraft projections. "As Needed" is approximately a 60% uptime (once per 32s), but you have time for 3-4 extra shadowbolts. Even without crits these bolts will make the gap between 100% and 60% almost zero. Factor in crits and haste procs (Heroism, Eradication) and we have a winner.

Anyakfe · 03/12/09, 3:59 AM

Could you please add Darkmoon card : Death to the available trinkets ([Darkmoon Card: Death]) ?
It has been buffed from 744-956 to 1750-2250.
I don't think it will make it *the* trinket, but il will make it a little less useless.

EDIT:
Adding also Lightweave Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft will make me very happy too

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Talimar · 03/12/09, 10:02 AM

With the recent nerf to soul siphon, how does drain soul below 25% compare to sticking to shadowbolt?