SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 41

Hearteater · 03/25/09, 11:23 AM

It should be noted that this breakdown yields a total increase of 15.5% to immolate damage, so perhaps this is what Blizz intends. However, it seems like just another way to nerf Conflag.

Immolate gets 120% from Spell Power: 20% to its initial hit, 100% to its DOT.

Fire and Brimstone adds 15% to the 120%, making it 135%. The 135% is divided up as follows: 25% to its initial hit, 110% to its DOT.

turturin · 03/25/09, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hearteater

Immolate gets 120% from Spell Power: 20% to its initial hit, 100% to its DOT.

Fire and Brimstone adds 15% to the 120%, making it 135%. That's exactly how Shadow and Flame works with Shadow Bolt, Incinerate and Chaos Bolt. The 135% is divided up as follows: 25% to its initial hit, 110% to its DOT.

I don't know if that's actually how FnB works, but that's not how shadow and flame works anymore. Since LK launched, the coefficient for sbolt (for example) with shadow and flame is (3/3.5)(1.2), where formerly it had been (3/3.5) + (.2).

Hearteater · 03/25/09, 4:53 PM

I stand corrected. SnF and FnB both function differently. Actually, they also use slightly different wording. The values for FnB I (and others) posted were correct however.

Asmodaeus · 03/25/09, 5:27 PM

Btw, it seems that with the t8 bonuses, destro specs with replenishment outdps destro specs without replenishment. Here's what I got:

64580 100.0% Raid
7520 11.6% Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG
7426 11.5% Warlock_T8_00_40_31
7254 11.2% Warlock_T8_00_13_58
7212 11.2% Warlock_T8_53_00_18
7207 11.1% Warlock_T8_00_28_43
7200 11.1% Warlock_T8_03_13_55
7069 10.9% Warlock_T8_00_41_30
6950 10.7% Warlock_T8_03_52_16
6847 10.6% Warlock_T8_00_56_15

Settings used are the following (simcraft-r1955):

patch=3.1.0
warlock=Warlock_T8_00_13_58
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=000000000000000000000000000023110030003000000000000000005203205220331051335230251&glyph=000000000000&version=9722
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T8_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_incinerate=1

With Glyph of Incinerate instead of Glyph of Life Tap.
Just wondering if you could reproduce these results, because destro is really highly ranked here (like it's never been since patch 3 lol)

texhex · 03/25/09, 5:41 PM

I've been reading this post and if this has already been covered please forgive me, but I don't see how Simcraft compensates for the lack of Decimation when the target is > 35% HP for the builds where Decimation is used.

Alghieri · 03/25/09, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by Asmodaeus

Btw, it seems that with the t8 bonuses, destro specs with replenishment outdps destro specs without replenishment. Here's what I got:

64580 100.0% Raid
7520 11.6% Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG
7426 11.5% Warlock_T8_00_40_31
7254 11.2% Warlock_T8_00_13_58
7212 11.2% Warlock_T8_53_00_18
7207 11.1% Warlock_T8_00_28_43
7200 11.1% Warlock_T8_03_13_55
7069 10.9% Warlock_T8_00_41_30
6950 10.7% Warlock_T8_03_52_16
6847 10.6% Warlock_T8_00_56_15

Settings used are the following (simcraft-r1955):

patch=3.1.0
warlock=Warlock_T8_00_13_58
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=000000000000000000000000000023110030003000000000000000005203205220331051335230251&glyph=000000000000&version=9722
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T8_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_incinerate=1

With Glyph of Incinerate instead of Glyph of Life Tap.
Just wondering if you could reproduce these results, because destro is really highly ranked here (like it's never been since patch 3 lol)

I just ran the same simulation 1,000,000 iterations and got similar results to you(simcraft r1955):

DPS Ranking:
 DPS Ranking:
  53389 100.0%  Raid
   6984  13.1%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG
   6919  12.9%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31
   6705  12.5%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30
   6670  12.5%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18
   6612  12.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55
   6578  12.3%  Warlock_T8_00_28_43
   6572  12.3%  Warlock_T8_03_52_16
   6427  12.0%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15

Player=Warlock_T8_00_28_43  DPS=6577.8 (Error=+/-9.9 Range=+/-465)  DPR=19.6  RPS=335.2/262.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1098  intellect=930  spirit=489  health=18875  mana=21572
  Spell Stats:  power=2054  hit=14.2%  crit=12.8%  penetration=0  haste=19.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=11.4%  crit=8.5%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.7%
  Actions:
    conflagrate           Count= 24.6|10.9sec  DPE=12540|18%  DPET= 9753  DPR=  22.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=8562  Crit=17905|21279|42.6%
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.0|61.5sec  DPE=16165| 4%  DPET=12355  DPR=  27.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=16165
    immolate              Count= 17.0|15.9sec  DPE=10720|10%  DPET= 9828  DPR=  18.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2020  Crit= 4223| 4936|41.5%  TickCount=82  Tick=1610
    incinerate            Count=130.3| 2.0sec  DPE= 7735|57%  DPET= 5219  DPR=  15.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5257  Crit=10984|13322|43.3%
   imp
    fire_bolt             Count=144.2| 1.8sec  DPE= 1334|11%  DPET=  723  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1207  Crit= 1810| 2069|21.1%

Player=Warlock_T8_00_40_31  DPS=6919.2 (Error=+/-10.7 Range=+/-569)  DPR=23.1  RPS=299.2/250.5  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1129  intellect=930  spirit=489  health=19315  mana=21572
  Spell Stats:  power=2054  hit=14.2%  crit=12.8%  penetration=0  haste=19.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=11.4%  crit=8.5%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.7%
  Actions:
    conflagrate           Count= 24.1|11.2sec  DPE=15062|20%  DPET=11711  DPR=  27.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10001  Crit=20894|25283|46.5%
    corruption            Count=  9.6|20.3sec  DPE= 6453| 3%  DPET= 4930  DPR=  11.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=58  Tick=1075
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.0|25.7sec  DPE= 6608| 4%  DPET= 5114  DPR=  17.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=123  Tick=591
    immolate              Count= 17.0|16.0sec  DPE=12446|11%  DPET=10176  DPR=  21.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2286  Crit= 4783| 5568|47.0%  TickCount=82  Tick=1853
    incinerate            Count= 84.4| 3.1sec  DPE= 8086|37%  DPET= 4599  DPR=  16.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5237  Crit=10941|13077|49.9%
    soul_fire             Count= 18.9| 3.8sec  DPE=13071|13%  DPET=10789  DPR=  41.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=8704  Crit=18209|21760|45.9%
   imp
    fire_bolt             Count=144.2| 1.8sec  DPE= 1449|11%  DPET=  785  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1276  Crit= 1915| 2180|27.0%

Player=Warlock_T8_00_41_30  DPS=6705.3 (Error=+/-9.2 Range=+/-476)  DPR=22.8  RPS=293.8/256.5  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1129  intellect=930  spirit=489  health=19315  mana=21572
  Spell Stats:  power=2054  hit=14.2%  crit=12.8%  penetration=0  haste=19.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=11.4%  crit=8.5%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.7%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count= 10.7|18.7sec  DPE= 6901| 4%  DPET= 5555  DPR=  12.8  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=64  Tick=1150
    curse_of_agony        Count= 11.0|25.1sec  DPE= 7416| 5%  DPET= 6054  DPR=  19.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=127  Tick=643
    immolate              Count= 16.1|16.6sec  DPE=11919|11%  DPET=10238  DPR=  20.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2196  Crit= 4593| 5379|39.5%  TickCount=79  Tick=1790
    incinerate            Count=106.2| 2.5sec  DPE= 7644|45%  DPET= 4585  DPR=  15.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5231  Crit=10933|13184|42.3%
    soul_fire             Count= 23.1| 3.2sec  DPE=11895|15%  DPET= 9995  DPR=  38.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=8310  Crit=17353|21024|39.6%
   felguard
    cleave                Count= 44.0| 6.0sec  DPE= 1687| 4%  DPET=  281  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1581  Crit= 3160| 3435|19.1%  Glance=1186|24.0%  Dodge=6.4%
    felguard_melee        Count=171.9| 1.5sec  DPE= 1645|16%  DPET= 1062  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1541  Crit= 3084| 3379|19.2%  Glance=1156|23.9%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15  DPS=6427.4 (Error=+/-9.0 Range=+/-441)  DPR=18.4  RPS=350.0/278.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1129  intellect=930  spirit=489  health=19315  mana=21572
  Spell Stats:  power=2054  hit=14.2%  crit=12.8%  penetration=0  haste=19.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=11.4%  crit=8.5%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.7%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  9.9|19.9sec  DPE= 7094| 4%  DPET= 5420  DPR=  13.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=59  Tick=1182
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.0|60.9sec  DPE=18112| 4%  DPET=13834  DPR=  31.3  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=18112
    immolate              Count= 16.7|16.3sec  DPE= 8716| 8%  DPET= 7123  DPR=  13.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1651  Crit= 3451| 4630|41.5%  TickCount=80  Tick=1314
    immolation            Count=  2.9|128.7sec  DPE=19124| 3%  DPET=14767  DPR=   7.7  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=37  Tick=1496
    shadow_bolt           Count= 92.0| 2.8sec  DPE= 7954|43%  DPET= 4086  DPR=  12.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5369  Crit=11247|15035|44.0%
    soul_fire             Count= 20.6| 3.5sec  DPE=11144|13%  DPET= 9169  DPR=  32.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=7681  Crit=16054|22815|41.4%
   felguard
    cleave                Count= 44.0| 6.0sec  DPE= 1849| 5%  DPET=  308  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1583  Crit= 3165| 3435|29.1%  Glance=1187|23.4%  Dodge=6.4%
    felguard_melee        Count=183.6| 1.4sec  DPE= 1795|19%  DPET= 1238  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1543  Crit= 3088| 3379|28.8%  Glance=1158|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_03_13_55  DPS=6612.1 (Error=+/-11.0 Range=+/-607)  DPR=20.7  RPS=320.2/263.9  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1080  intellect=937  spirit=569  health=18669  mana=21691
  Spell Stats:  power=2074  hit=11.1%  crit=13.2%  penetration=0  haste=19.0%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=8.9%  crit=8.9%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.0%
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt            Count= 18.4|14.6sec  DPE= 9426|10%  DPET= 7056  DPR=  38.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6573  Crit=13764|16353|39.7%
    conflagrate           Count= 24.3|11.0sec  DPE=13323|18%  DPET=10314  DPR=  24.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=8911  Crit=18641|22155|45.3%
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.0|61.4sec  DPE=16387| 4%  DPET=12471  DPR=  30.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=16387
    immolate              Count= 17.0|15.9sec  DPE=11655|11%  DPET=10740  DPR=  19.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2254  Crit= 4717| 5608|39.7%  TickCount=82  Tick=1737
    incinerate            Count=113.4| 2.3sec  DPE= 7371|47%  DPET= 4920  DPR=  15.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5091  Crit=10634|13024|41.1%
   imp
    fire_bolt             Count=144.2| 1.8sec  DPE= 1162| 9%  DPET=  629  DPR=   0.0  Miss=2.9%  Hit=1098  Crit= 1647| 1882|17.3%

Player=Warlock_T8_03_52_16  DPS=6571.6 (Error=+/-8.8 Range=+/-428)  DPR=19.5  RPS=337.8/264.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1110  intellect=937  spirit=569  health=19103  mana=21691
  Spell Stats:  power=2074  hit=11.1%  crit=13.2%  penetration=0  haste=19.0%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=8.9%  crit=8.9%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.0%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  9.9|19.8sec  DPE= 7278| 4%  DPET= 5535  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=59  Tick=1213
    curse_of_doom         Count=  4.0|61.5sec  DPE=18354| 4%  DPET=13953  DPR=  33.7  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=18354
    immolate              Count= 16.3|16.4sec  DPE= 9049| 8%  DPET= 7366  DPR=  14.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1687  Crit= 3525| 4676|41.6%  TickCount=80  Tick=1352
    immolation            Count=  3.0|126.2sec  DPE=22325| 4%  DPET=17542  DPR=   9.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=44  Tick=1527
    shadow_bolt           Count= 92.5| 2.8sec  DPE= 8059|42%  DPET= 4119  DPR=  12.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5425  Crit=11380|15224|44.2%
    soul_fire             Count= 20.9| 3.5sec  DPE=11292|13%  DPET= 9264  DPR=  33.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=7809  Crit=16294|23080|41.1%
   felguard
    cleave                Count= 44.0| 6.0sec  DPE= 1852| 5%  DPET=  309  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1591  Crit= 3186| 3459|28.8%  Glance=1194|24.3%  Dodge=6.4%
    felguard_melee        Count=183.6| 1.4sec  DPE= 1806|19%  DPET= 1245  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1553  Crit= 3107| 3404|28.8%  Glance=1165|24.1%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Warlock_T8_53_00_18  DPS=6669.5 (Error=+/-8.5 Range=+/-432)  DPR=22.8  RPS=293.1/287.5  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1009  intellect=937  spirit=569  health=17236  mana=21172
  Spell Stats:  power=2074  hit=11.1%  crit=13.2%  penetration=0  haste=19.0%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=8.9%  crit=8.9%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.0%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  1.0| 0.0sec  DPE=336084|19%  DPET=258020  DPR= 661.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=88  Tick=2746  CritTick=5731|7404|36.4%
    curse_of_agony        Count=  9.8|29.0sec  DPE=13823| 8%  DPET=12015  DPR=  38.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=127  Tick=1067
    drain_soul            Count=  7.8| 6.7sec  DPE=37654|16%  DPET= 8108  DPR=  74.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=19  Tick=15197
    haunt                 Count= 26.3|10.3sec  DPE= 3393| 5%  DPET= 2825  DPR=   7.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2953  Crit= 4558| 5733|27.4%
    shadow_bolt           Count= 78.9| 2.7sec  DPE= 6897|31%  DPET= 3631  DPR=  10.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5146  Crit=10755|14070|31.2%
    unstable_affliction   Count= 16.6|16.2sec  DPE=14208|13%  DPET=11828  DPR=  26.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=80  Tick=2110  CritTick=4406|5674|36.5%
   succubus
    lash_of_pain          Count= 44.0| 6.0sec  DPE=  564| 1%  DPET=   94  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 562  Crit= 1124| 1195|13.0%  Glance= 422|24.1%  Dodge=6.6%
    succubus_melee        Count=171.9| 1.5sec  DPE=  715| 7%  DPET=  462  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 710  Crit= 1421| 1516|13.2%  Glance= 533|23.9%  Dodge=6.6%

Player=Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG  DPS=6983.7 (Error=+/-8.9 Range=+/-422)  DPR=23.8  RPS=293.2/287.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1009  intellect=937  spirit=569  health=17236  mana=21172
  Spell Stats:  power=2074  hit=11.1%  crit=13.2%  penetration=0  haste=19.0%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=8.9%  crit=8.9%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.0%
  Actions:
    corruption            Count=  1.0| 0.0sec  DPE=335204|18%  DPET=258793  DPR= 659.4  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=87  Tick=2747  CritTick=5742|7404|36.5%
    curse_of_agony        Count=  9.9|29.0sec  DPE=13732| 7%  DPET=11941  DPR=  37.8  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=127  Tick=1066
    drain_soul            Count=  7.7| 6.8sec  DPE=37937|16%  DPET= 8128  DPR=  74.6  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=19  Tick=15198
    haunt                 Count= 26.2|10.3sec  DPE= 3392| 5%  DPET= 2824  DPR=   7.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2951  Crit= 4557| 5733|27.5%
    shadow_bolt           Count= 79.0| 2.7sec  DPE= 6904|29%  DPET= 3636  DPR=  11.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5144  Crit=10759|14070|31.3%
    unstable_affliction   Count= 16.6|16.2sec  DPE=14193|13%  DPET=11813  DPR=  26.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=80  Tick=2109  CritTick=4403|5674|36.4%
   doomguard
    doomguard_melee       Count=171.9| 1.5sec  DPE= 1350|12%  DPET=  872  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1340  Crit= 2680| 2860|13.3%  Glance=1005|24.1%  Dodge=6.5%

Gains:

    Warlock_T8_00_40_31:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4819.9
        initial_mana=21568.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4797.2
        life_tap=42974.2
        replenishment=14279.9

    Warlock_T8_00_41_30:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4838.1
        initial_mana=21568.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4665.3
        life_tap=44637.7
        replenishment=14333.9

    Warlock_T8_03_52_16:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4838.1
        initial_mana=21687.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4618.4
        life_tap=46801.7
        replenishment=14413.0

    Warlock_T8_00_56_15:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4838.1
        initial_mana=21568.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4579.5
        life_tap=50492.8
        replenishment=14333.9

    Warlock_T8_03_13_55:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4838.1
        initial_mana=21687.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4709.2
        life_tap=46480.1
        replenishment=14413.0

    Warlock_T8_00_28_43:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4838.1
        initial_mana=21568.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=4694.9
        life_tap=46071.1
        replenishment=14333.9

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4767.0
        initial_mana=21168.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=4209.7
        life_tap=53920.3
        replenishment=13871.5

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG:
        blessing_of_wisdom=4768.0
        initial_mana=21168.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=4244.3
        life_tap=53827.9
        replenishment=13873.4

Procs:

    Warlock_T8_00_40_31:
        dying_curse=5.2|51.7sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=62.1|4.3sec
        life_tap=13.1|20.3sec
        tier7_4pc=13.1|20.3sec

    Warlock_T8_00_41_30:
        dying_curse=5.2|51.6sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=60.4|4.4sec
        life_tap=13.6|19.6sec
        tier7_4pc=13.6|19.6sec

    Warlock_T8_03_52_16:
        dying_curse=5.1|52.7sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=59.8|4.5sec
        life_tap=13.3|20.1sec
        tier7_4pc=13.3|20.1sec

    Warlock_T8_00_56_15:
        dying_curse=5.1|52.7sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=59.3|4.5sec
        life_tap=15.1|17.6sec
        tier7_4pc=15.1|17.6sec

    Warlock_T8_03_13_55:
        dying_curse=5.2|51.4sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=61.0|4.4sec
        life_tap=13.2|20.2sec
        tier7_4pc=13.2|20.2sec

    Warlock_T8_00_28_43:
        dying_curse=5.2|51.3sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=60.8|4.4sec
        life_tap=14.0|19.0sec
        tier7_4pc=14.0|19.0sec

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18:
        dying_curse=5.0|53.6sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=54.5|4.9sec
        life_tap=13.0|20.5sec
        shadow_trance=3.3|80.6sec
        tier7_4pc=13.0|20.5sec

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG:
        dying_curse=5.0|53.6sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=54.9|4.9sec
        life_tap=13.0|20.5sec
        shadow_trance=3.3|81.7sec
        tier7_4pc=13.0|20.5sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Warlock_T8_00_40_31:
        38.0% : demonic_soul
        74.2% : molten_core
        100.0% : replenishment
        43.7% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_00_41_30:
        32.5% : demonic_soul
        61.6% : molten_core
        100.0% : replenishment
        43.8% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_03_52_16:
        25.5% : demonic_soul
        57.5% : molten_core
        100.0% : replenishment
        43.0% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_00_56_15:
        86.0% : demonic_pact
        24.9% : demonic_soul
        44.8% : molten_core
        100.0% : replenishment
        48.6% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_03_13_55:
        44.8% : backdraft
        11.2% : demonic_soul
        14.1% : empowered_imp
        32.9% : pyroclasm
        100.0% : replenishment
        43.8% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_00_28_43:
        45.7% : backdraft
         9.9% : demonic_soul
        30.8% : pyroclasm
        100.0% : replenishment
        47.0% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18:
        37.3% : demonic_soul
        19.5% : eradication
        100.0% : replenishment
         3.5% : shadow_trance
        44.1% : spirits_of_the_damned

    Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG:
        37.1% : demonic_soul
        19.9% : eradication
        100.0% : replenishment
         3.5% : shadow_trance
        44.4% : spirits_of_the_damned

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 10892541
  MaxEventQueue = 107
  SimSeconds    = 267363
  CpuSeconds    = 10
  SpeedUp       = 26736

So yes, to verify your point, Replenishment is making a difference in the dps.

Grimrage · 03/25/09, 7:03 PM

To the purpose of looking into replenishment specs and the effect of the Life Tap glyph I found an oddity.

Using these options:

#!simcraft max_time=300 optimal_raid=1
patch=3.1.0

warlock=3_13_55_w_Life_Tap_Glyph
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=030000000000000000000000000003220030003000000000000000005203215220331051035030351
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/life_tap,glyph=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Gear.simcraft
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_life_tap=1

warlock=3_13_55_w_Inc_Glyph
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=030000000000000000000000000003220030003000000000000000005203215220331051035030351
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Gear.simcraft
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_incinerate=1

warlock=0_13_58_w_Life_Tap_Glyph
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=000000000000000000000000000023020030003000000000000000005203205220331051335230251
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/life_tap,glyph=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_life_tap=1

warlock=0_13_58_w_Inc_Glyph
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warlock=000000000000000000000000000023020030003000000000000000005203205220331051335230251
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_immolate=1
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_incinerate=1

It returned this ranking:

DPS Ranking:
  25876 100.0%  Raid
   6559  25.3%  3_13_55_w_Life_Tap_Glyph
   6488  25.0%  3_13_55_w_Inc_Glyph
   6439  24.8%  0_13_58_w_Inc_Glyph
   6433  24.8%  0_13_58_w_Life_Tap_Glyph

Looking at the mana graph for the 13/58 spec w/ the Incinerate glyph and I couldn't see the familiar traces of Life Tap spikes.

So I looked at the gains and it showed 7.8 Life Tap gains and over 27k mana returned. Seeing that Life Tap was clearly being used but not seeing any indication of it in the graph made me wonder if my results were invalid or even bugged. Insight would be welcome.

Soulzar · 03/25/09, 7:04 PM

Originally Posted by Alghieri

So yes, to verify your point, Replenishment is making a difference in the dps.

Improved Soul Leach, not replenishment. Replenishment is 100% for all profiles.

Malathar · 03/25/09, 7:26 PM

Originally Posted by texhex

I've been reading this post and if this has already been covered please forgive me, but I don't see how Simcraft compensates for the lack of Decimation when the target is > 35% HP for the builds where Decimation is used.

This probably isn't exactly how it is done, but here's the logic behind it. Before each spell is cast, it runs through a number of ifchecks to determine the course of action. One of these checks is to see if the target is < 35% HP or not. If it fails, then it does the next check, if it succeeds, then it sets itself to weave soulfires.

Althor · 03/25/09, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by Malathar

This probably isn't exactly how it is done, but here's the logic behind it. Before each spell is cast, it runs through a number of ifchecks to determine the course of action. One of these checks is to see if the target is < 35% HP or not. If it fails, then it does the next check, if it succeeds, then it sets itself to weave soulfires.

That's pretty much exactly how it works yes.
That action list is a priority list. Each entry is checked in order until it find something that is ready to cast and then it casts it and (with a few minor exceptions for some classes) then stops checking the action list until the next time it wants to cast something.

dedmonwakeen · 03/25/09, 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by Grimrage

So I looked at the gains and it showed 7.8 Life Tap gains and over 27k mana returned. Seeing that Life Tap was clearly being used but not seeing any indication of it in the graph made me wonder if my results were invalid or even bugged. Insight would be welcome.

The charts are actually an overlay of all iterations...... Re-run with just one iteration and take a look.

Darkmantle · 03/25/09, 9:11 PM

The same thing appears on the sample out for the imp soul leech specs on the main website. All the other warlock profiles have very characterisitc lifetap spikes because their mana usage is essentially the same between different runs.

With the imp soul leech specs they gain mana at random times and so their lifetap usage changes slightly from fight to fight. When that is averaged over the 1000's of iterations it ends up looking like a smooth surface.

Kalku · 03/25/09, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Darkmantle

The same thing appears on the sample out for the imp soul leech specs on the main website. All the other warlock profiles have very characterisitc lifetap spikes because their mana usage is essentially the same between different runs.

With the imp soul leech specs they gain mana at random times and so their lifetap usage changes slightly from fight to fight. When that is averaged over the 1000's of iterations it ends up looking like a smooth surface.

The reason those profiles mana usage is spikey is because they are set to life tap to keep the glyph active, so they tap every 30 seconds regardless of mana.

Darkmantle · 03/25/09, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kalku

The reason those profiles mana usage is spikey is because they are set to life tap to keep the glyph active, so they tap every 30 seconds regardless of mana.

The sample outputs on the simulationcraft main page here don't have the lifetap glyph because it is for 3.09. However the imp soul leech spec has a smooth curve while the others have definite lifetap points.

Looking at the sample outputs for the 3.1 specs shows very spikey graphs for all specs because none of them have imp soul leech and they are using the lifetap glyph. Looking at Grimrage's results demonstrates that without the lifetap glyph the soul leech procs smooth out the lifetap use on the resource graph.

silmarieni · 03/26/09, 7:09 AM

Running Simcraft 1955 with the standard parameters I get:

6628 dps for 0/41/30
6605 dps for 0/41/30 modified as follow http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31050000000000

Couldn't it be argued that the very marginal dps decrease (0.3%) is worth it overall for the raid as the healers have less work to do with the warlock taking 4% less damage?

mellowmarshall · 03/26/09, 9:25 AM

I'd guess your damage taken is so insignificant that 4% of it is a single heal, or less. Plus, both of those specs are lower than the top dps warlock specs for 3.1. Why would you choose either? (edit: unless you just like felguard specs)

Malathar · 03/26/09, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by silmarieni

Running Simcraft 1955 with the standard parameters I get:

6628 dps for 0/41/30
6605 dps for 0/41/30 modified as follow http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31050000000000

Couldn't it be argued that the very marginal dps decrease (0.3%) is worth it overall for the raid as the healers have less work to do with the warlock taking 4% less damage?

I have ~22k hp raid buffed. 4% of that is 880dmg. Not a huge benefit IMO. Not even a whole tick of renewal.

Morrigan · 03/27/09, 4:01 AM

Some of you might find this interesting:

To help decide which warlock should put up CoE in case there are no Moonkins/Unholy DKs present, I have run a Sim with each spec not using their damage curse in addition to the default ones.

These are the results:

0/40/31	-237 DPS
0/41/30	-232 DPS
53/0/18	-341 DPS
0/56/15	-184 DPS
3/13/55	-155 DPS
0/28/43	-149 DPS

Obviously, for the two fire Decimation/MC specs, keeping up Corruption the entire fight provides better DPS under a no-CoA scenario, so I have taken that into account.
It basically is deep destro > meta > demo/destro > affliction. Apart from affli getting that much more out of CoA than the MC fire specs, not really surprising.

bhaltayr · 03/27/09, 4:17 AM

I'm tested this spec 0/13/58 with a few customizations with some new data we've received. I used the glyphs of Incinerate, Conflagrate, and Immolate and changed the profile to Life Tap when needed instead of every 20 seconds. I also used this gear file that has optimized loot based on what's been found on PTR and is currently available in live.

Standard Gear Attributes
gear_stamina=955
gear_strength=0
gear_agility=0
gear_intellect=894
gear_spirit=338
gear_attack_power=0
gear_expertise_rating=0
gear_armor_penetration_rating=0
gear_spell_power=2369
gear_hit_rating=373
gear_crit_rating=502
gear_haste_rating=467

tier8_2pc=1
tier8_4pc=1

# Meta Gem
chaotic_skyflare=1

# Item Procs
illustration_of_the_dragon_soul=1
flare_of_the_heavens=1

The results show that the DPS for this spec is 7165 compared to 7283 of 0/40/31 using the same gear profile -- only 118 DPS difference.

Althor · 03/27/09, 4:46 AM

Delete. The person I'm replying to is updating their posts to make this reply unneeded.

gherkin · 03/27/09, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tinava

Hmm. Reviewing the OP, I see that lifetap glyph has taken precedence over the incinerate glyph on fire builds. Is it that big of a dps increase over the incinerate glyph then?

Using 3/13/55 as an example:

Using 1.49 spell power scaling and 500 spirit, 500 x .2 x 1.49 = Glyph of Life Tap (every 20) is 149 dps for 20 seconds

Incinerate's DPET (Damage Per Execution Time) is 4984 which makes up 48% of your dps, 4984 x .05 x .48 = Glyph of Incinerate119.6 dps.

Using Lifetap "As needed" (estimate puts it at around 30 seconds, dependant on Replenishment, mana pool, etc) makes Glyph of Lifetap (as needed) 100 dps (20/30 = 2/3rds as much).

However, you can lifetap while moving such that it doesn't mess with your rotation when you have time to dps. You can't incinerate while moving.

trangoul · 03/27/09, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by gherkin

Using 3/13/55 as an example:

Using 1.49 spell power scaling and 500 spirit, 500 x .2 x 1.49 = Glyph of Life Tap (every 20) is 149 dps for 20 seconds

Incinerate's DPET (Damage Per Execution Time) is 4984 which makes up 48% of your dps, 4984 x .05 x .48 = Glyph of Incinerate119.6 dps.

Using Lifetap "As needed" (estimate puts it at around 30 seconds, dependant on Replenishment, mana pool, etc) makes Glyph of Lifetap (as needed) 100 dps (20/30 = 2/3rds as much).

However, you can lifetap while moving such that it doesn't mess with your rotation when you have time to dps. You can't incinerate while moving.

Also, keep in mind that certain gear sets will offer differing values of spirit. My current set, which doesn't have best in slot, but does have 4pc t7, has ~650 spirit normally and then 950 with the proc making the glyph worth substantially more than these calculations.

The glyphs are obviously close to each other, and in certain situations each one will potentially out dps the other, it all comes down to the circumstances of the given fight / gear.

supplicium · 03/27/09, 2:21 PM

For example, In 4ptc t7 going into ulduar LT is a much better glyph not only do you get spirit value *.2*.149 you get (300*.2)+(300*.39 /2)*1.49 (assuming Demonic Aegis) in other words you end up with 89.4+87.165 or 176.565 dps + dps from LT glyph.

And damn I went to move my car before posting this and It all ready got posted. But I supose it's good to see the dps numbers behind it.

Varney · 03/27/09, 3:41 PM

edit: redundant info re: chaos bolt changes

Arnath · 03/27/09, 3:56 PM

I'm pretty sure this is just a reporting of the increase in Chaos Bolt damage people noticed a few days ago and as such, has already been put into the Simcraft results.