SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 47

whi · 04/14/09, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Sumbish

Simulationcraft 2127 I was trying to get some DPS numbers on different glyphs but if I don't have glyph_lifetap=1 then the lock doesn't seem to attack at all. ie. comment it out or change to another glyph to repeat the 'bug'.

Try deleting "/life_tap,glyph=1/" from the list of actions, im pretty sure that caused those weird amounts of dps for such profiles.

Did those tests for my guild recently and here is what i got:

   6847   4.6%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_lt
   6803   4.6%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_imp
   6791   4.5%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_immo
   6711   4.5%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_coa

   6625   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_lt
   6553   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_haunt
   6506   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_coa
   6487   4.3%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_cor
   6477   4.3%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_sb

   6568   4.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_lt
   6476   4.3%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_immo
   6455   4.3%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_imp

   6567   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_fg
   6545   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_lt
   6508   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_inci
   6420   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_immo
   6412   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_coa

   6375   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_fg
   6357   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_lt
   6226   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_meta
   6204   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_cor
   6202   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_immo
   6198   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_sb

10000 iterations, specs with conflag use conflag glyph and the one listed, others only the one that is listed of course.
Imp vs immolate in 40/31 ended a bit weird and i couldn't reproduce it. Tried both immo/imp alone and in conjunction with life tap, nothing. They were very close to each other, but immolate always came out higher by few points.

Edit:
Seems that i forgot about chaos bolt glyph for deep destro, not a big loss though:

   6397  25.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_lt
   6311  25.0%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_immo
   6283  24.9%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_imp
   6229  24.7%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_cb

• Double-Neg · 04/14/09, 8:41 PM

Jesus christ THE BIG ORANGE BOX MEANS THE POST HAS BEEN INFRACTION. It got an infracted 5 hours ago, OK WE KNOW ITS BEEN DONE.

Zaiviys · 04/15/09, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Mod Edit:

warlock=Warlock_T8_00_41_30
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31050000000000
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard
actions+=/life_tap,glyph=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/immolate/curse_of_agony/corruption,health_percentage>=35/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_life_tap=1
glyph_felguard=1
glyph_incinerate=1

Being new, I just wish to make sure that I am understanding the rotation with this spec. The Spell Stone is applied, then once the demon is up, Soul Fire is cast, then Immolate, then Curse of Agony, Corruption next, Incinerate and finally, Life Tap. Have I read that correctly? Thanks for the input ahead of time.

Lurker37 · 04/15/09, 1:43 AM

There is no rotation here.

The first 'actions' line isn't part of what you cast during the fight - it's the stuff you do before the pull. It tells the simulator what self-buffs you have, and what you have summoned.

The second 'actions' line is a list of priorities and conditions, not an order in which to cast spells.

So it's a check list the simulator goes through every GCD.

1) Is the Life Tap Glyph's spellpower buff on? If not then life tap, else continue to 2).

2) Do you have the Decimate Buff? If so the cast Soulfire. Otherwise continue to 3)

3)Do any dots need refreshing and is target health >=35? If so then renew DoTs, (if more than one dot needs refreshing then your order of priority is Immolate, CoA, Corruption). Otherwise go to 4)

4) Cast incinerate (or life tap if OOM, which you shouldn't be if you're life tapping every 20 seconds for the buff.)

Drakh · 04/15/09, 8:25 AM

3)Do any dots need refreshing and is target health >=35? If so then renew DoTs, (if more than one dot needs refreshing then your order of priority is Immolate, CoA, Corruption). Otherwise go to 4)

And whats about target HP < 35 ? No more DoT refreshing ?

ilovemrdoe · 04/15/09, 8:56 AM

/corruption,health_percentage>=35

use corruption only above 35%

Lrac · 04/15/09, 9:23 AM

Comparing 0/40/31 and 0/41/30. Where do the big differences in DPE come from for corruption and CoA. Shouldn't they be pretty equal between those two speccs?

Warlocomotif · 04/15/09, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lrac

Comparing 0/40/31 and 0/41/30. Where do the big differences in DPE come from for corruption and CoA. Shouldn't they be pretty equal between those two speccs?

The Felguard has more stamina+intellect than the imp, meaning you get more benefit from Demonic Knowledge.

• Zakalwe · 04/15/09, 9:53 AM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

The Felguard has more stamina+intellect than the imp, meaning you get more benefit from Demonic Knowledge.

Actually, this difference is negligible. The real difference is from MD - the imp's buff is 5% fire damage, while the felguard's is 5% to all damage.

Drison · 04/15/09, 4:38 PM

Conflag just got nerfed to 70% of immo dot dmg.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Conflagrate damage reduction

• Zakalwe · 04/15/09, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by Drison

Conflag just got nerfed to 70% of immo dot dmg.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Conflagrate damage reduction

I've updated simcraft to reflect this. The OP contains the latest results.

I guess destro is officially dead

Drison · 04/15/09, 6:03 PM

Question. I could have swore 3/52/16 was in the 6400 dps range and now its up to 6700 dps. What changed?

• Zakalwe · 04/15/09, 6:10 PM

I don't think it was ever in the 6400 DPS range - that was probably 0/56/15. I think the main difference is the smarter life tapping I added.

rathgar · 04/15/09, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I don't think it was ever in the 6400 DPS range - that was probably 0/56/15. I think the main difference is the smarter life tapping I added.

What life tap changes did you implement?

Syddie · 04/15/09, 6:29 PM

nvm, delete.

• Zakalwe · 04/15/09, 6:32 PM

The meta specs now life tap early and often whenever meta is on cooldown, to avoid life tapping too much during meta. With the previous action lists they weren't doing that, so immolation aura's high mana cost was causing them to life tap a lot during meta.

The relevant part of the action list is: life_tap,trigger=10000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=-1

Baelis · 04/15/09, 6:48 PM

I seem to remember that you had a spec for replenishment. Could you post a spec that includes replenishment to see how far off it is and to see if it is even a viable option for Locks to bring replenishment for the raid? Unless I am off base to think that locks should look into bringing replenishment. I just run 10's so we have less options.

heemo · 04/15/09, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The meta specs now life tap early and often whenever meta is on cooldown, to avoid life tapping too much during meta. With the previous action lists they weren't doing that, so immolation aura's high mana cost was causing them to life tap a lot during meta.

The relevant part of the action list is: life_tap,trigger=10000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=-1

but how does that explain the boost that 0/41/30 saw in the latest run?

Darkstarrz · 04/15/09, 7:05 PM

Has the hotfix been implemented yet? I am definately still doin a ton more dps as 0-40-31 then as affliction or felguard hybrid spec. I guess the felguard will gain some buffs from the entire raid so I will have to test it tonight.

Vid · 04/15/09, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Baelis

I seem to remember that you had a spec for replenishment. Could you post a spec that includes replenishment to see how far off it is and to see if it is even a viable option for Locks to bring replenishment for the raid? Unless I am off base to think that locks should look into bringing replenishment. I just run 10's so we have less options.

It's really not even close to viable. Even before the Conflag nerf, you'd have to take 4 points out of dps talents to get what survival hunters, SPriests, and ret paladins get with a single point. In other words, the SL prereq makes it prohibitively expensive, and the conflag nerf exacerbates this in the extreme.

Kalku · 04/15/09, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've updated simcraft to reflect this. The OP contains the latest results.

I guess destro is officially dead

Is this change in the downloadable version of simcraft?

If not, could you please do these sims in the T8 gearsets so we can see how the specs scale? Based on the scale factors, it appears that 0/41/30 will fall behind deep aff fairly quickly, but it is hard to say for sure.

imtsensational · 04/15/09, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Aeiri

So is the conflag hotfix actually live right now? Or is it in the process of being implemented.

It's live.

Weazus · 04/15/09, 9:38 PM

If its live then how am I still hitting for about 10k conflags in PvP, its no more than I was last night? I'm pretty sure the fix hasn't gone live yet.

pfooti · 04/15/09, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Weazus

If its live then how am I still hitting for about 10k conflags in PvP, its no more than I was last night? I'm pretty sure the fix hasn't gone live yet.

I spent some time working on the target dummy just about 30 minutes ago, and my conflag was hitting for about exactly 5 ticks of immolate. So at the current time, I don't think it's live. Sure to change soon enough.

Pach · 04/16/09, 4:26 AM

Originally Posted by heemo

but how does that explain the boost that 0/41/30 saw in the latest run?

please answer this. I cant figure out how a non-meta spec that can't even cast conflag would have gained personal dps by a nerf to conflag. Not just a higher rank in relation to other specs but actual dps.