SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 47

fip · 03/14/09, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

There was a mechanic change to make it smarter for short fights: Bloodlust is triggered when target_t::time_to_die()=60sec. For all intents and purposes, that ends up being very close to the 25% mark Zak references.

So Bloodlust is triggered at time_to_die = 60sec so I could just reverse engineer that and extend the fight so that Meta falls entirely within the last Bloodlust?

• Zakalwe · 03/14/09, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

From what I can tell in the meta ruin profiles you prioritize curse of doom over metamorphosis. Could you switch these 2 around? It should result in CoD typically being casted during Meta, which in turn means CoD doing 20% more damage.

Good idea, I'll do that.

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Also could you have a look at your CoD implementation? The reason I ask this is the fact that I'm seeing them hit for ~13.5k on simcraft, where as I more often than not see them hitting for upwards of 17k. Here's a Naxx Parse where the average CoD damage is 18.4k.

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Hmm. The only thing I can think of is Shadow Mastery. Does CoD benefit from it now? [EDIT: Nevermind, those specs don't have SM anyway. Though I'd still like to know if CoD benefits from SM now.]

fip · 03/14/09, 10:03 AM

another question for you Zakalwe: are you just editing/running the latest version of Simcraft that's posted on google docs or do you have a custom version that you're running on your own? I just ask because if you have updated the posted version on google and I can just use that myself, that'd be awesome :-D

Thanks!

Also, can anyone give me an example of how I could add in Demonic Empowerment to a spec? I get that I change the talent spec and link but I don't know what the code would be to toss that into the rotation.

dedmonwakeen · 03/14/09, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by fip

another question for you Zakalwe: are you just editing/running the latest version of Simcraft that's posted on google docs or do you have a custom version that you're running on your own? I just ask because if you have updated the posted version on google and I can just use that myself, that'd be awesome :-D

A new download is imminent.....

While the PTR is up I've been trying to make daily downloads available.......

But I'm beginning to think it might be easier to "teach the man to fish"......

Morrigan · 03/14/09, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Though I'd still like to know if CoD benefits from SM now.

It still doesn't.

dakalro · 03/14/09, 1:25 PM

For me LT glyph is 20%, gained 125 spellpower from 627 spirit (French PTR). Just as a notice.

Update: Specced 40/31, put in new LT glyph, 40%. Was affliction with a glyph I put last night with 20%. Unfortunately ran out of vendors now.

Warlocomotif · 03/14/09, 1:38 PM

Right taking some notes on the go here for Curse of Doom, using my current spec- with no active pet.
This should mean talents provide no damage boost to CoD in any way. I also do not have any buffs, no fel armor, no spell/fire stone.

Spellpower: 1939
CoD: 11178 dmg
Base damage: 7300.
Damage from spellpower: 3878
Coefficient: *2

+Fel Armor.
Spellpower: 2337.
CoD: 11974
Base Damage 7300.
Damage from spellpower: 4674
Coefficient: *2

Summon Felguard.
+5% damage coefficient
Spellpower: 2560
CoD: 13041
Damage from spellpower: 5376
Coefficients: *2*1.05

+Demonic pact
Spellpower: 2799
CoD: 13543
Damage from spellpower: 5878
Coefficients: *2*1.05

+Demonic Empathy 2/3
Spellpower: 2799
CoD: 13814
Damage from spellpower: 5996
Coefficients: *2*1.05*1.02

+Illustration of the dragonsoul stacked
Spellpower: 3140
CoD: 14544
Damage from spellpower: 6726
Coefficients: *2*1.05*1.02

These tests are all done without raid buffs, no consumables, no spellstone, no arcane intellect/fortitude/kings/motw (all of which Demonic knowledge effectively double dips with), no curse of elements, no feroscious inspiration, no metamorphosis. All tests are doing exactly the expected amount of damage.

In raids, esspecially if combined with 4xT7+Glyph of LifeTap, Curse of Doom would do even far more damage. However, even if you disregard all raid buffs that I mentioned above- my curse of doom is already hitting harder than the curse of doom's average damage from simcraft:

curse_of_doom Count= 5.3|56.3sec DPE=14160| 4% DPET=11564 DPR= 24.4 Miss=0.0% TickCount=4 Tick=18824

fip · 03/14/09, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

A new download is imminent.....

While the PTR is up I've been trying to make daily downloads available.......

But I'm beginning to think it might be easier to "teach the man to fish"......

I'm very much willing to learn, and so far I've been playing around with the simulation files themselves because they're fairly customizeable. I just want to be able to look under the hood and while I understand C++, looking at the code on Google confused me a fair bit. I dunno, maybe make a WoW build number visible next to each version of the code would be a start?

Morrigan · 03/14/09, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

However, even if you disregard all raid buffs that I mentioned above- my curse of doom is already hitting harder than the curse of doom's average damage from simcraft:

curse_of_doom Count= 5.3|56.3sec DPE=14160| 4% DPET=11564 DPR= 24.4 Miss=0.0% TickCount=4 Tick=18824

The Tick damage sounds about right to me, but it only gets 4 ticks in 5.3 executions (?).

Warlocomotif · 03/14/09, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by Morrigan

The Tick damage sounds about right to me, but it only gets 4 ticks in 5.3 executions (?).

Ahh I was looking at DPE (damage per execution?), I'm guessing that just means that a number of CoD's get casted when the expected time to die is still above 1 minute, but the real time to die ends up being less than 1 minute?

[edit] 4 ticks in 5.3 executions seems really strange :/ Im not sure how it could tick 1 or more ticks less than the number of executions.

Morrigan · 03/14/09, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

4 ticks in 5.3 executions seems really strange :/ Im not sure how it could tick 1 or more ticks less than the number of executions.

Yes that has to be a bug. Given the maximum fight length of 300 seconds, the 4 ticks are correct. But considering that it has 0% miss, there's no way it should be cast more often than 5 times, even if it gets cast when fight will end in less than 60 seconds.

• Zakalwe · 03/14/09, 7:11 PM

Turns out simcraft was modeling an old mechanic where dot applications could be fully resisted from level-based resists. This did not show up as misses in the reports, but still resulted in dots having to be recast. I fixed this bug, reran the simulations, and updated the OP.

Viper007Bond · 03/15/09, 4:42 AM

Just for discussion's sake, let's say I can't hit the hit cap without the 3% hit talent (pretty sure I could with a regem, but let's pretend I couldn't).

What would be the best non-Affliction build that had Suppression? Of the ones listed, 3/52/16 or whatever it is obviously is highest up, but what about a 0/40/31 or something with 3 points moved into Suppression? Would that fair better than a deep demo? Trying to think up some Suppression builds and would appreciate ideas.

Warlocomotif · 03/15/09, 4:53 AM

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Just for discussion's sake, let's say I can't hit the hit cap without the 3% hit talent (pretty sure I could with a regem, but let's pretend I couldn't).

What would be the best non-Affliction build that had Suppression? Of the ones listed, 3/52/16 or whatever it is obviously is highest up, but what about a 0/40/31 or something with 3 points moved into Suppression? Would that fair better than a deep demo? Trying to think up some Suppression builds and would appreciate ideas.

0/41/30 has these talents as their final talents in each tree: Felguard, Emberstorm.
Both, Felguard and Emberstorm, are better talents than suppression.
You might be able to fit supression somewhere into 0/40/31- however I think it'd be a dps loss still going 2% crit vs 1% hit.

• Zakalwe · 03/15/09, 4:57 AM

3/37/31 beats 3/52/16 by about 80 DPS.

But really, this is something you can test perfectly well yourself by downloading Simcraft and modifying the profile. I'm probably not going to be answering such questions in the future.