SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 50

Emolate · 03/16/09, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Eeks

Does lifetapping every 20 seconds award enough mana to not have to take mana reduction talents for a "dps" increase?

Mana reduction talents aren't a measurable/significant dps increase.

Eeks · 03/16/09, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by Emolate

Mana reduction talents aren't a measurable/significant dps increase.

Thanks. Looks like there will be 3 points to put into threat talents or whatever come affliction this time around

Naforce · 03/16/09, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by Emolate

Mana reduction talents aren't a measurable/significant dps increase.

But it sure comes in handy versus General Vezax on the PTR! My decimation won't proc so I'm having trouble getting real results from specs using decimation, though 0/40/31 is doing great dps even without it's finisher. The conflagrate crits for around 20k and that's quite the dps boost!

Eeks · 03/16/09, 6:39 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

But it sure comes in handy versus General Vezax on the PTR! My decimation won't proc so I'm having trouble getting real results from specs using decimation, though 0/40/31 is doing great dps even without it's finisher. The conflagrate crits for around 20k and that's quite the dps boost!

Can you not life tap on that fight?

Naforce · 03/16/09, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by Eeks

Can you not life tap on that fight?

You can, but all that happens is that you loose HP. And you probably get a buff too, if you have a life tap related buff. You don't gain any mana through doing it.

Warlocomotif · 03/16/09, 7:40 PM

It is suggested here:
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - [BUG] Glyph of Life Tap Bug

That Glyph of Lifetap's effect is a bug related to the Unholy power talent. Personally I'm in favor of assuming 40% is a bug, and modelling it in as 20% in accordance to the tooltip- but if you're going to go by what the game is currently giving you, you should factor in it's effect depending on the unholy power (IE: Not 40% for Affli/deep destro).

Naforce · 03/16/09, 7:45 PM

Has this spec gotten properly and recently tested?

supplicium · 03/16/09, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Has this spec gotten properly and recently tested?

I tried it last night and it's very poor.

Naforce · 03/16/09, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by supplicium

I tried it last night and it's very poor.

So I guess going too deep destro still isn't worth it, and I don't think they'll change things now.

supplicium · 03/16/09, 7:59 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

So I guess going too deep destro still isn't worth it, and I don't think they'll change things now.

Deep destro is better than that spec, there are too many wasted points for IMP stones. But you are right it's still not amazing.

fathercaine · 03/16/09, 8:33 PM

What testing I've done on ptrs (the entire half an hour when I actually had the LT glyph available to me...) suggested that lifetapping every 20 seconds won't "overfill" your mana at all, still have to test this in a raid with replenishment ofc, the replenishment buff might keep you close to topped off, but I doubt you will be overfilled when using LT.

Oh and @ Naforce, I don't think taking Mana Feed should be necessary when running with an imp mate, never had the little guy dry up in a 25 man raid. But then again what are you better options? :P

supplicium · 03/16/09, 10:17 PM

Just an FYI about LT glyph it does work off any rank of LT so having rank 1 LT bound is a good idea to so you can hit it right before a pull. Also a lot of fights in ulduar require heavy movement so I don't think LT frequency is an issue

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by fathercaine

What testing I've done on ptrs (the entire half an hour when I actually had the LT glyph available to me...) suggested that lifetapping every 20 seconds won't "overfill" your mana at all, still have to test this in a raid with replenishment ofc, the replenishment buff might keep you close to topped off, but I doubt you will be overfilled when using LT.

Simcraft outputs neat little graphs that answers precisely this question. It turns out to depend greatly on spec:

On one end of the spectrum there's deep demo which runs out of mana after the second meta/immolation:

And then there's affliction which seems to be perfectly sustained by tapping every 20 seconds:

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 12:42 AM

It seems that the 40% life tap glyph was a bug, so I've reverted it to 20% in the code. The OP has been updated. It still turns out to be a slight DPS gain for every spec to life tap every 20 seconds.

Naforce · 03/17/09, 3:29 AM

I remember reading about conflagrate not gaining from the immolate glyph, has this been confirmed by a bluepost or reported as a bug somehow? If it is supposed to gain from the immolate glyph, I think that glyph would be superior to the life tap glyph for the conflagrate-using specs.