SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 51

Lrac · 03/17/09, 6:29 AM

How well would the 0/40/31 perform with the doomguard?

Robi · 03/17/09, 6:50 AM

Very bad. You would lose Demonic Knowledge and MoD which is more DPS than you would win through the doomguard. I ran both (don't have a compiler on this PC so i used a version with Glyph of LT bug) and got a 650dps difference.

@Paroxys: Look at the two Gear files. Both have

# Set Bonuses
tier7_2pc=1
tier7_4pc=1

neopatch · 03/17/09, 8:04 AM

Hello,

I've been monitoring the evolution of warlock closely since the first glimpse at 3.1 and you did a very good job changing and tweaking your model at every change that appeared on the PTR / Patch notes, and thus I wanted to thank you for the amount of time you invest in this

Still I was wondering if the scale factor were up to date or not ? As I was under the impression they did not change between before and after you fixed the LT Glyph from 40% down to 20% (as in my mind this should have lowered the value of spirit at least by a bit)

dedmonwakeen · 03/17/09, 8:10 AM

Originally Posted by neopatch

Still I was wondering if the scale factor were up to date or not ? As I was under the impression they did not change between before and after you fixed the LT Glyph from 40% down to 20% (as in my mind this should have lowered the value of spirit at least by a bit)

They are not up to date..... (I'll regenerate them this morning.)

For future reference: The SampleOutput and SampleOutputPTR reports list the revision number of SimulationCraft used to generate the data.

The downloads always have a revision number in their name.

You can see dev changes related to revision numbers here: simulationcraft - Google Code

Robi · 03/17/09, 8:29 AM

Calculated them a few minutes ago. Fresh compiled version (rev 1862), setup as is on SVN.

Scale Factors:
Warlock_T8_00_13_58 intellect=0.28 spirit=0.92 spell_power=1.50 hit_rating=2.43 crit_rating=0.89 haste_rating=0.98
Warlock_T8_00_28_43 intellect=0.32 spirit=0.96 spell_power=1.56 hit_rating=2.52 crit_rating=0.85 haste_rating=0.95
Warlock_T8_00_40_31 intellect=0.32 spirit=0.89 spell_power=1.50 hit_rating=2.52 crit_rating=0.80 haste_rating=1.13
Warlock_T8_00_41_30 intellect=0.26 spirit=0.76 spell_power=1.28 hit_rating=2.09 crit_rating=0.70 haste_rating=1.03
Warlock_T8_00_56_15 intellect=0.29 spirit=0.87 spell_power=1.18 hit_rating=2.19 crit_rating=0.73 haste_rating=0.83
Warlock_T8_03_52_16 intellect=0.35 spirit=0.83 spell_power=0.89 hit_rating=2.40 crit_rating=0.75 haste_rating=0.93
Warlock_T8_53_00_18 intellect=0.25 spirit=0.83 spell_power=1.59 hit_rating=1.80 crit_rating=0.75 haste_rating=0.96

neopatch · 03/17/09, 8:33 AM

Thanks for the infos !

On an other subject since affliction now can't use UA and immolate at the same time, I assume we will be dropping immolate ... it means our 2pT7 is losing half the ability that makes it proc (only for affliction) anyone calculated the new value for the 2pT7 bonus for affliction taking that into account ?

Tinava · 03/17/09, 9:55 AM

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this comment.

It appears something went wonky relating to warlock damage (I'm not sure at this point if it is scaling factors, unintended or otherwise).

I've made a bug report on the PTR forums relating to this. Specs were 0/13/58 and 0/40/31. You'll note my initial thought was conflagrate scaling, but now I'm not so sure if that's the culprit.

Basically, in testing last night with full glyphs, I was doing LESS damage than I had been in the previous build with only one glyph (that being conflagrate).

Since this is unconfirmed if its a bug or not, I may be jumping the gun in asking this, but you may want to look at simcraft's calculations relating to damage if talents were nerfed/changed. As it sat last night on the PTR, in both builds, I was doing at least 300 dps less on the target dummy, with full glyphs, than I was with only the one glyph.

Kalle · 03/17/09, 10:11 AM

In the mana timelines Zakalwe posted, the duration of the fight is 299 seconds. In SampleOutputPTR the fight lasts 286/287 seconds. Did you increasse max_time so that the real duration is close to 5 minutes or is this caused by something different?

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 10:28 AM

SampleoutputPTR is run with max_time=300, which ends up resulting in 286/287 second fights because heroism skews the sim's estimations.

I run with 16M health for the full 8-warlock raid, which ends up being 299 seconds because the average DPS per lock is around 6690.

When I generate scaling factors I do use max_time - I set it to 330 to ensure a fight time of about 300 seconds.

Sedona · 03/17/09, 11:14 AM

Considering that the 40% Life Tap glyph was a bug, what would non-tier gear need Spell Power wise to outweigh the bonus of 4t7+LT glyph?

I know that a few posts back stated that each piece would need about a 60 Spell Power increase over the tier gear, but this was prior to noting the bug. I am just curious if it would be that important for me to pick up my 4t7 as I have currently only tired to have 2t7.

Once again, thank you Zak. You're work has helped the Mathematically Challenged like me still be well informed.

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tinava

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this comment.

It appears something went wonky relating to warlock damage (I'm not sure at this point if it is scaling factors, unintended or otherwise).

I've made a bug report on the PTR forums relating to this. Specs were 0/13/58 and 0/40/31. You'll note my initial thought was conflagrate scaling, but now I'm not so sure if that's the culprit.

Basically, in testing last night with full glyphs, I was doing LESS damage than I had been in the previous build with only one glyph (that being conflagrate).

Since this is unconfirmed if its a bug or not, I may be jumping the gun in asking this, but you may want to look at simcraft's calculations relating to damage if talents were nerfed/changed. As it sat last night on the PTR, in both builds, I was doing at least 300 dps less on the target dummy, with full glyphs, than I was with only the one glyph.

I just went back on the PTR and tested it again - conflag is unchanged compared to the previous testing done, which showed conflag benefiting from all immolate talents but not from the immolate glyph. This is how simcraft currently models it.

Vodrin · 03/17/09, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sedona

Considering that the 40% Life Tap glyph was a bug, what would non-tier gear need Spell Power wise to outweigh the bonus of 4t7+LT glyph?

I know that a few posts back stated that each piece would need about a 60 Spell Power increase over the tier gear, but this was prior to noting the bug. I am just curious if it would be that important for me to pick up my 4t7 as I have currently only tired to have 2t7.

Once again, thank you Zak. You're work has helped the Mathematically Challenged like me still be well informed.

Ah, I get it, you're including fel armor, which I forgot to take into consideration. But you seem to be assuming that people have demonic aegis (0.4+0.39)*150 = 118.5. The value would be (0.4+0.3)*150 = 105 without demonic aegis.

(0.2+0.39)*150 = 88.5
(0.2+0.3)*150 = 75

So worth about 37 sp on each item not taking new set bonuses into account.

singingzombies · 03/17/09, 1:13 PM

Malakai who posted earlier PTR patchwerk parses is still playing with the different specs and is consistently hitting 6.2-6.4K with deep destro and deep afflic specs. I still really want to see a PTR parse of a 40/31 build but this is still really promising as amazing tree balance dps-wise for 3.1.

Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)
Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)
Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)

Edit: Whoops nvm, I looked back later and saw that 7k dps by cordi with what had to be 40/31 lol.
Edit2: I stand heavily corrected on Cordi's spec as being 3/22/46 and not 40/31.

I've been following this thread and it has amazing reaction time to PTR builds. Great job Zak.

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 1:15 PM

I noticed the Rank 4 Chaos Bolt tooltip on the PTR reads "1429 to 1814" damage, compared to "1243 to 1577" on live. Since they've already mentioned the possibility of buffing chaos bolt, I'm going to assume this is an intended buff.

Sadly, the buff is extremely minor and results in a paltry 30 DPS boost to deep destro. I've made the necessary changes and updated the OP to reflect them.

Tinava · 03/17/09, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I just went back on the PTR and tested it again - conflag is unchanged compared to the previous testing done, which showed conflag benefiting from all immolate talents but not from the immolate glyph. This is how simcraft currently models it.

Did something else get nerfed then? Because a 300 dps loss with glyphs doesn't make any sense.

Thank you for checking, though.