SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 52

supplicium · 03/17/09, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I noticed the Rank 4 Chaos Bolt tooltip on the PTR reads "1429 to 1814" damage, compared to "1243 to 1577" on live. Since they've already mentioned the possibility of buffing chaos bolt, I'm going to assume this is an intended buff.

Sadly, the buff is extremely minor and results in a paltry 30 DPS boost to deep destro. I've made the necessary changes and updated the OP to reflect them.

As we've both said in this thread and others (as well as many different people) buffing chaosbolts damage won't do much but adding more utility too it, or it's own special perks, aka the Chaotic mind buffs of beta would be enough to do some hefty chunks of DPS boost. But there is no reason to even attempt to factor these in until we see something.

Naforce · 03/17/09, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by singingzombies

Malakai who posted earlier PTR patchwerk parses is still playing with the different specs and is consistently hitting 6.2-6.4K with deep destro and deep afflic specs. I still really want to see a PTR parse of a 40/31 build but this is still really promising as amazing tree balance dps-wise for 3.1.

Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)
Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)
Patchwerk (PTR DPS Test)

Edit: Whoops nvm, I looked back later and saw that 7k dps by cordi with what had to be 40/31 lol.

I've been following this thread and it has amazing reaction time to PTR builds. Great job Zak.

Note that Cordi doesn't use corruption nor curse of agony in that fight. Just that last curse of agony it seems, that should give is molten core close to zero uptime, is that really optimal?

EDIT: Maalakai stated Cordi did not use 40/31, but 3/22/46
That spec i similiar to theone I asked about earlier and I was answered that it performed poorly. Obviously it does perform really well on the actual ptr (7k actual dps should be a bit over 7k in simcraft).

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Note that Cordi doesn't use corruption nor curse of agony in that fight. Just that last curse of agony it seems, that should give is molten core close to zero uptime, is that really optimal?

He does not appear to be specced for molten core. And it doesn't look like he was using 40/31 spec, or if he was, it wasn't the standard one since decimation doesn't work on the PTR. More likely is he was using some sort of 0/28/43 or 0/23/47 variant, judging by the numbers. Can't quite explain how he got 7k, but I don't see any major discrepancies between that report and simcraft's detailed damage breakdown for 0/28/43.

Naforce · 03/17/09, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

He does not appear to be specced for molten core. And it doesn't look like he was using 40/31 spec, or if he was, it wasn't the standard one since decimation doesn't work on the PTR. More likely is he was using some sort of 0/28/43 or 0/23/47 variant, judging by the numbers. Can't quite explain how he got 7k, but I don't see any major discrepancies between that report and simcraft's detailed damage breakdown for 0/28/43.

Yeah, check my edited post. By the wya, I just relooked at the 0/40/31 spec you've been testing. I thought it was concluded through mathematics earlier that 2/3 MC 3/5 Demonic Tactics was better dps then 3/3 MC 2/5 Demonic Tactics, or did I perhaps misunderstand that post?

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 1:51 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

By the wya, I just relooked at the 0/40/31 spec you've been testing. I thought it was concluded through mathematics earlier that 2/3 MC 3/5 Demonic Tactics was better dps then 3/3 MC 2/5 Demonic Tactics, or did I perhaps misunderstand that post?

What was best has changed, mostly because conflag now scales with immolate talents.

supplicium · 03/17/09, 2:28 PM

I'd like to point out that cordi is far above the gear listed on simcraft. ALSO the fact that decimate does not work is a huge issue and a reason not to spec demo right now.

Krazen · 03/17/09, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by supplicium

As we've both said in this thread and others (as well as many different people) buffing chaosbolts damage won't do much but adding more utility too it, or it's own special perks, aka the Chaotic mind buffs of beta would be enough to do some hefty chunks of DPS boost. But there is no reason to even attempt to factor these in until we see something.

It's the wrong way to buff it. Chaos Bolt needs a higher coefficient, not more flat base damage.

Alternatively, make Chaos Bolt our new make nuke if you have it.

supplicium · 03/17/09, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by Krazen

It's the wrong way to buff it. Chaos Bolt needs a higher coefficient, not more flat base damage.

Alternatively, make Chaos Bolt our new make nuke if you have it.

But buffing the damage on one spell we use every 12 seconds (10 with the glyph..thats bad) would have to be a very alrge amount for it to gain 3-400 dps or more at the moment.

That 400dps from 1 spell every 10 seconds means that that spell (completely negating the cast itself) would have to hit for an additional 4k per hit. Thats a large amount of damage from one spell.

VS buffing the over all damage of say immolate or incinerate, or crits reset the CD on your next conflag. Something like this is more beneficial than a flat increase in dmg.

Krazen · 03/17/09, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by supplicium

But buffing the damage on one spell we use every 12 seconds (10 with the glyph..thats bad) would have to be a very alrge amount for it to gain 3-400 dps or more at the moment.

That 400dps from 1 spell every 10 seconds means that that spell (completely negating the cast itself) would have to hit for an additional 4k per hit. Thats a large amount of damage from one spell.

VS buffing the over all damage of say immolate or incinerate, or crits reset the CD on your next conflag. Something like this is more beneficial than a flat increase in dmg.

The problem is conflag is already overpowered. Any significant buff would have to be compensated for somewhere down the tree.

Doink · 03/17/09, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

He does not appear to be specced for molten core. And it doesn't look like he was using 40/31 spec, or if he was, it wasn't the standard one since decimation doesn't work on the PTR. More likely is he was using some sort of 0/28/43 or 0/23/47 variant, judging by the numbers. Can't quite explain how he got 7k, but I don't see any major discrepancies between that report and simcraft's detailed damage breakdown for 0/28/43.

I was 0/28/43 last night for the 7.1k patchwerk parse. I really couldn't believe the numbers myself after the fight was over, but I think some of it has to do with the bugged lifetap glyph.

According to the tooltip, Glyph of Lifetap is currently giving 40% of your spirit to you as spellpower when you're specced 5/5 unholy power. Coupled with 4pc t7, every time I lifetap I'm gaining about (rough guess) 340 spellpower for 10 seconds, and after the 4pc falls off I'll still have a bonus 220 for another 10 seconds. This is double the intended spellpower I'm supposed to be getting from the glyph, and the 4pc only enhances it.

As far as the spec goes, I have a strong feeling it's going to get nerfed down to around where our my aff/destro-cb parses are. Lifetap glyph asside, the spec still feels too strong. My best guess is that master conjurer will take the hit. I wasn't specced for molten core last night either. Looking back, it was probly an oversight. I wasn't really expecting the spec to produce the numbers that it did. It's very fun to play, and some of the best burst I've ever seen, but I can already see the nerf bat gathering speed in the distance.

Hearteater · 03/17/09, 3:57 PM

They could always borrow from Affliction and have Chaos Bolt refresh Immolate. That would also possibly make the Immolate Glyph a more interesting choice for deep Destruction.

supplicium · 03/17/09, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Krazen

The problem is conflag is already overpowered. Any significant buff would have to be compensated for somewhere down the tree.

Oh While I love the new conflag We can all agree it's OP, the issue here isn't conflag thought It's making deep destro appealing which atm it isn't.

One way to do this would be to add some flavor of buff/debuff to chaosbolt or rework another talent down in the tree to do this.

• Zakalwe · 03/17/09, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Doink

[...] According to the tooltip, Glyph of Lifetap is currently giving 40% of your spirit to you as spellpower when you're specced 5/5 unholy power. [...]

Ah, yeah, that does explain your numbers being significantly higher than simcraft predicts. Simcraft uses 20% now because the 40% is so obviously a bug.

Morrigan · 03/17/09, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Ah, yeah, that does explain your numbers being significantly higher than simcraft predicts.

That and his 8-9% higher crit rate on Incin/Conflag.

supplicium · 03/17/09, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Ah, yeah, that does explain your numbers being significantly higher than simcraft predicts. Simcraft uses 20% now because the 40% is so obviously a bug.

We thought that about spellstones as well with master conjurer though this does appear to be more bug like.