0/40/31,0/41/30 specs and their variations.

In regards to mana feed, for the felguard it is basically required, but for the imp I don't know. Sometimes it is fine, others it isn't. I guess my only concern right now is Molten Core uptime which is so vital to the damage, is 3/3 MC better than the other options? (ie: 2% more crit, demonic empowerment, mana feed options)

Also torn between the felguard and imp, felguard does more damage but needs more looking after. Still hoping some deep destro will sweep in and outpace, but with decimate that wont be happening.

ps: meta spec decimate soulfires over 20k are fun to watch.

Sims are looking nice. In reference to 0/40/31 how does the lifetap glyph stack up against the imp glyph?

And also, in reference to simcraft, is there an expected downloadable update in the near future (I dont have software to recompile) or can anyone send me a PM with the link so I can run some sims with unusual specs to see how they line up and if I find anything that is worthwhile I could post it?

I was holding off on a new release until the more of the other classes got their 3.1 updates...... If that hasn't happened by the end of the weekend, I'll put something out for download.

In regards to your 41/30 Sim, this would seem to be superior in my experience.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9626

Would you mind trying it, or has this been suggested?

The 54/0/17 spec links to a 52/0/19 spec. Is that intended?

A spec like 0/50/21 would not be all bad either. Imp out, a ton of fire damage, very useful for the raid with the +300 or so spell power buff, lots of crits doing a ton of damage, imp doing about 600(or more?) raid buffed dps. Firestone on of course, soul fires whenever decimation procs.

How would that compare to the other specs in simcraft? I may not have glyphed correctly. Also, this specs suggests that you have reached hit cap and are in no need for hit talents.

The felguard will do 1100 dps alone raid buffed so you lose 500dps just for using the imp right off the bat. I believe early sim craft showed meta is better then devastation on live but in 3.1 you get the talent to lower the meta cooldown plus the glyph to make meta last longer i see no reason to take devastation over meta now.

The imp does however give you 5% crit rating, and is a more versatile pet since it can attack from range.
Also, speccing FG takes that one very important point away from you. I'm just not sure of how good the metamorphisis actually is, specially the glyph. I highly doubt the glyph's worth compared to the other glyphs.
The 0/56/15 spec should do great dps and function well for the raid, I guess you are correct. The creator of the topic should consider taking 1 point from master summoner and putting it in mana feed, since mana feed is a dps buff whilst master summoner isn't (unless you don't know your pet good enough). This goes for all specs having 2p master summoner and 0p mana feed.

Also, in the detailed breakdown, all specs follow "actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/" pattern. Won't most specs have more use of firestone? Or is the massive amount of haste just plain better then +4% direct damage and the crit rating? I know that haste > crit but the direct damage seems very useful.

In the spec you provided there are a number of places that point could be take from that dont even come close to comparing to the single point benefit of the felguard.

The only places I could actually change that one point would be taking one from devastation (and freeing up 3 more) and taking one point from improved demon tactics. Though the first option offers up a lot of variations. I agree with the fact that the FG is a whole lot better then all the others, I'm just trying to find new ways of making warlocks want more crit rating, making us independent from our pet (losing 1100 dps is a heavy loss if the pet should die), sort of like the current affliction spec. The felguard does something, yes, but it isn't much. Still we can top the DPS meters. That is what I'm looking for, except somewhere else. Maybe I'm just shooting blindly here, but I still wanna bring up the discussion.

Move a point out of MC into Felguard. Keep in mind felguard boosts all your damage by 5% rather than just fire.

Your argument for the Imp also takes a hit because you have a fire boosting MD buff for a spec that would be better DPS using a Shadow spell as a primary nuke since it lacks emberstorm.

i dont believe 5% crit is going to make up the 500dps difference for using the imp. I cant see where you put all your talents cause my work broswer wont show the mmo talent calc but since you cant get emberstorm you still spam SB so how is that 5% fire buff going to do you any good when the felguard gives you 5% dmg buff to all spells? Also unless something change master conjour only buffs the rating part of our stone so it still will only be a 1% DD so the spell stone will still be better.

It is better unless you have emberstorm.

On the ptr the stones do 4% dot/direct damage buff.

SB has a 85% coeffient incinerate has a 72% coeffient which means without emberstorm SB will far our scale incinerate which is why you SB in a deep demo build.

Nice that may make the firestone better but im a haste freak and being able to get close to 1000 haste may be to good to pass up the spell stone.

if you looking to not use the felguard for what ever reason a deep demo build with demonic power using a succubus wil be closer dps then the imp so you can check that out.

Immolate doesn't give incinerate any increased scaling, just a flat absolute damage increase if it's up.

Run this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9626

He already did:

Try to read the whole thread before posting.

For 0/41/30 you can take one point out of master summoner and that frees up one point for demonic tactics further down.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

Also, from MMO-Champion (I didn't see a link to the blizard post):

Demonology

Enslave Demon has been changed, it is no longer more difficult to control a demon if you repeatedly enslave the same demon.

A little bit of maintenance, but an enslaved doomguard should out dps everything except possibly a felguard. This would buff every spec except for 0/41/30.