You're missing Eye of the Broodmother, a popular trinket choice. Working it out vaguely from what you have for IotDS I'd guess that one would be at roughly 190dps for the proc.

It should also be noted that Illustration is being undervalued because it's assumed to be not stacked at the start of the encounter.

Illustration is only undervalued if you can stack it without detriment. If you have Lightweave on your cloak and a trinket with a good proc it isn't worth stacking - that's been previously demonstrated.

One thing to remember is some trinkets are all proc (Illustration) and other trinkets get the bulk of there bonus from the stats (Scale of Fates 125 static spell power). For the value of each trinket I would be sure to add the static stats with the proc effect to get the full value of the trinket. You would just ignore the stat if it was hit. Then again say you used two rings with + hit on them vs two rings with no + hit to make it so you no longer needed a + hit trinket. You could sum up the total dps gain from the hit ring set and non hit trinket vs the non hit ring set and the hit trinket.

The proc on Pandora's Plea is actually 751 instead of 850. I am not sure about Flare of the Heavens, however. In 3.2, the tooltip on Pandora's Plea will be corrected to show 751sp.

Best guess on the difference between 10 and 25 man numbers is raid composition. In 10s, there's no guarantee you'll have the raid buffs you get in 25s (boomkin, ele sham, etc.)

Also, remember the sims take into account full raid buffs. If you don't have that in 25s, that'll affect your numbers too.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it's a priority system. If one action is not possible (for whatever reason - cooldown, OOM, dot already applied, what have you), then the next in the list is performed. So in this case, you cast CoD, then immolate, then conflag, then CB, then incin, and if you can't cast incin it's because you're out of mana. Thus lifetap.

I've added that trinket.

Thanks, I've adjusted this.

This is again the table which just shows the gain of the proc or effect.

dps	dps gain from proc or effect	proc or effect
7575	303		Illustration of the Dragon
7482	210 without the stats	onspellhit_850sp_10%_10dur_45cd	Flare_of_the_Heavens
7459	187 without the stats	onspellhit_751sp_10%_10dur_45cd	Pandora's Plea
7479	207 without the stats	onspellhit_765sp_15%_10dur_45cd	Dying Curse
7441	169 without the stats	use=505sp_20dur_120cd	Living_Flame
7418	146 without the stats	onspellhit_590sp_10%_10dur_45cd	Sundial of the Exiled
7376	104 without the stats	onspellhit_522haste_10%_10dur_45cd	Elemental Focus Stone
7372	100 without the stats	onspellhit_505haste_10%_10dur_45cd	Embrace of the Spider
7368	96 without the stats	use=432haste_20dur_120cd	Scale of Fates
7272		Warlock_T8_00_13_58 no_trinket

And this table shows the dps gain for using these non hit trinkets

dps	dps gain from trinket (non hit trinkets)
7600	328	Flare of the Heavens
7575	303	Illustration of the Dragon
7567	295	Scale of Fates
7547	275	Eye of the Broodmother
7529	257	Embrace of the Spider
7522	250	Pandora's Plea
7500	228	Sundial of the Exiled
7272		Warlock_T8_00_13_58 no trinket

and the hit trinkets

dps	dps gain from non hit effect	hit gained
7480	208	71	Dying_Curse
7444	172	107	Living_Flame
7378	106	108	Elemental_Focus_Stone
7272			Warlock_T8_00_13_58 no trinket

So, yes, Pandora's Plea doesn't look that great anymore.

I'm curious about some of the choices regarding gemming made using the most recent BiS set: Profiler - Wowhead. The scale factors for hit, haste, and sp are 3.34, 1.82, and 1.57. These -current- weights give a 19 sp gem 29.83 dps, and a reckless monarch 28.69 dps. Haste would have to have a scale factor of 1.9625 for a reckless monarch to match a runed scarlet, yet a reckless monarch is placed in the red socket of the sash of ancient power. Furthermore, the set is 6 hit short at 362. Would it not be better to place a runed scarlet in the belt's red socket, and a veiled monarch in the shoulders for a total of 370 hit? If you feel the 2 hit is wasted, you might also consider replacing the spellpower to gloves with 20 hit and swapping out two veiled monarchs for either runed scarlets or reckless monarchs, as this would result in 366 hit.

I decided to try have simulationcraft give me a roundabout number of the DPS difference between demo and destruction with my own gear, I used the following in a ".simcraft" file and got some err... (bugg) interesting results:

The idea was that 2x my armory, 1x with my normal spec, 1x with my offspec. It simulated the Demo spec quite flawlessly, however the destruction spec came out kind of weird. It included decimation uptime, molten core, glyph of lifetap, 6 corruption casts, a felguard, an imp, and horrible DPS :p Basically a mix and match of the 2 talent specs really.

What wouuld the correct way to go about doing this be?

Warlo, your destro simulation came out weird because it's your inactive talent spec. Try using just this line and "opt_raid.simcraft", nothing else:

This will model your destro spec more effectively. Simulate just this line and everything should work out. Simcraft can model your glyphs so having that "glyphs=" line might be screwing it up too.

With 3.2 possibly out tomorrow do we have any data for the specs listed on the first page of this thread? I would be curious to see the difference to the 0/13/58 destro spec with the 100% crit given on empowered imp procs.

My spec is 13/58

I got 583 haste unbuffed, I am thinking that is too much haste.

How much haste is too much haste?

Last time I checked, which is pre 3.2, the gear level did not allow us to reach a cap for haste. Cap being waste of haste because of casts lower than GCD and such.

I personally keep my crit at 15% at least, but go haste as much as I can for the rest since it always has been better than crit statwise.

IMO the Tier 8 and 9 are poorly itemized, with very much crit.

Haste is capped at like 1232, if I remember correctly.

Haste is only a problem at current gear levels on fights like Vezax, where backdraft and black patches push haste to the GCD.

I would very much like to see scaling factors for 0/13/58 with conflag/incinerate/life tap, where the life tap buff is maintained every 40 seconds. I have checked out and compiled the most recent simcraft from the SVN, but I do not think it incorporates the 40 second life tap buff nor the new Empowered Imp.

This isn't really true. Try taking your own gear set and replacing all your tier piece critical strike rating with haste rating, 1 for 1 (they have the same item budget). You'll end up with a lot of haste rating and hardly any critical strike rating. When you then run simcraft against that gear set, hey presto, haste rating will be your third most useful stat, behind spell power in second and critical strike rating in first. Sure, haste rating is more useful with carefully balanced stats, but all it means when haste rating comes out looking insanely overpowered for you is - your stats aren't very balanced and you have critical strike rating on too many pieces of non-tier gear.

It's important to keep a balance; the T8 and T9 sets allow you to do this by taking the tier pieces and lots of haste gear.

That's not true ! Simcraft has been updated and 53/0/18 (7951dps) is now better than 0/13/58 (7929dps).

link:simcraft-google

This will maybe change with t9.

-- baleted --

I hope we can nip all the "am i supposed to tap every 40 seconds" questions in the bud to avoid something like this ( http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...1/#post1227074 ) from happening again with this iteration of the Life Tap glyph. I've encountered a lot of players, well into the previous patch, that believed that life tapping every 20s was a DPS gain in a stand and nuke situation; hopefully we can get a definitive comment from the simcraft authors regarding how to use the glyph.

That's also not using Glyph of Life Tap for 0/13/58 or Life Tapping correctly. 0/13/58 will still be the highest, but all 3 specs(53/0/18, 3/15/53, 0/13/58) are within around 100dps of each other.

Looking at the details from the latest simcraft versions and running some sims myself, i noticed the latest version doesn't include the extra 25% crit for conflagrate that you get from 5/5 F 'n B. They prolly changed the percentages with the new patch and forgot to keep the crit bonus. This is of course lowering destro dps by a bit and therefore i think destro will still be top dps spec this patch.