SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 75

FATALDDAMAGE · 08/29/09, 8:52 PM

With my current gearset, breaking the 4 pc T8.5 bonus for the 2 pc T9.0 bonus (shoulders and gloves) gives me LESS than 100 DPS gain according to simcraft (7707 -> 7804).

Ouch.

kevinwillis · 08/30/09, 12:52 PM

Does anyone have a direct link to the simcraft download? I looked around a bit and couldn't find it. Thanks.

Duckey · 08/30/09, 1:30 PM

Here is the Google Code link:

simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code

texhex · 08/30/09, 5:39 PM

I've been using simcraft to run personal dps (optimal_raid=0) to gauge gear upgrades.

Can someone explain to me why Set1 is so much higher?

I leave the Hit rating on each to 446 because I am assured to be hit capped during raid given current raid makeup.

10000 iterations and time=300

Set1
4851 dps Using Gear-Current.simcraft
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

Set2
4791 dps Using Gear.simcraft
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

I change the bottom line of this for each gear set.

#!simcraft

warlock=Warlock_T8_00_13_58
level=80
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=000000000000000000000000000003220030003000000000000000005203205210331051335230351
glyphs=conflagrate/incinerate/immolate
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak
actions+=/fire_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=80
actions+=/immolate
actions+=/conflagrate
actions+=/chaos_bolt
actions+=/incinerate
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/corruption,time_to_die>=20
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_agony
actions+=/life_tap
Gear-Current.simcraft

Gear-Current i.e. Set1

# Standard Gear Attributes
gear_stamina=1110
gear_intellect=1038
gear_spirit=604
gear_spell_power=2244
gear_hit_rating=446
gear_crit_rating=340
gear_haste_rating=576

tier8_2pc=1
tier8_4pc=1

meta_gem=chaotic_skyflare

# Item Procs
items=illustration_of_the_dragon_soul/dying_curse

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.0 ( iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=0, smooth_rng=0, spell_crit_suppression=0 )

DPS Ranking:
   4848 100.0%  Raid
   4851  100.0%  Warlock_T8_00_13_58

Player=Warlock_T8_00_13_58 (destruction)  DPS=4850.7 (Error=+/-2.6 Range=+/-455)  DPR=16.4  RS=296.6/230.2  (mana)
  Origin: input=Warlock_T8_00_13_58.simcraft
  Race: undead
  Core Stats:  strength=58(0)  agility=65(0)  stamina=1284(1110)  intellect=1195(1038)  spirit=775(604)  health=20203  mana=22030
  Spell Stats:  power=2244(2244)  hit=17.00%(446)  crit=19.28%(340)  penetration=0(0)  haste=17.57%(576)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=48(0)  hit=13.60%(446)  crit=11.31%(340)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=0.00%(0)  haste=17.57%(576)
  Defense Stats:  armor=130(0)
  Glyphs: conflagrate/incinerate/immolate
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt      Count= 19.8|15.3sec  DPE=  7797|11%  DPET=  5282  DPR=  32.2  pDPS= 516  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5771  Crit=12064|14071|32.2%
    conflagrate     Count= 27.1|11.2sec  DPE=  8226|15%  DPET=  6057  DPR=  14.8  pDPS= 742  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5290  Crit=11057|12892|50.9%
    curse_of_agony  Count=  0.5|61.2sec  DPE=  4514| 0%  DPET=  3321  DPR=  11.7  pDPS=   8  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=5  Tick=459
    curse_of_doom   Count=  4.0|61.3sec  DPE= 13244| 4%  DPET=  9626  DPR=  22.9  pDPS= 176  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=13244
    immolate        Count= 19.3|15.8sec  DPE=  9553|13%  DPET=  8221  DPR=  16.2  pDPS= 614  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1918  Crit= 4007| 4685|31.5%  TickCount=93  Tick=1439
    incinerate      Count=114.0| 2.6sec  DPE=  6447|50%  DPET=  3812  DPR=  13.3  pDPS=2450  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4601  Crit= 9615|11486|36.8%
   imp  (DPS=345.8)
    fire_bolt       Count=144.1| 2.1sec  DPE=   718| 7%  DPET=   346  DPR=   4.0  pDPS= 345  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 683  Crit= 1025| 1134|10.0%
  Constant Buffs: fel_armor/illustration_of_the_dragon_soul
  Dynamic Buffs:
    backdraft     : start=27.1  refresh=0.0    interval= 11.2|11.2   uptime=50%  benefit=47%
    dying_curse   : start=5.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 54.7|54.7   uptime=19%  trigger=15%
    empowered_imp : start=14.3  refresh=0.1    interval= 19.6|19.4   uptime= 5%  benefit= 8%
    pyroclasm     : start=13.8  refresh=0.0    interval= 21.2|21.2   uptime=45%  benefit=35%
  Up-Times:
     92.1% : replenishment                 
  Procs:
      9.3 |  21.18sec : life_tap
  Gains:
    22029.8 : initial_mana 
    35639.0 : life_tap     
    12146.7 : replenishment
    21269.5 : soul_leech   

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 13774611
  MaxEventQueue = 17
  TargetHealth  = 1451431
  SimSeconds    = 3000975
  CpuSeconds    = 6.156
  SpeedUp       = 487488

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000925 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Gear.simcfaft i.e. Set2

# Standard Gear Attributes
gear_stamina=1086
gear_intellect=1027
gear_spirit=507
gear_spell_power=2447
gear_hit_rating=446
gear_crit_rating=239
gear_haste_rating=560

tier8_2pc=1
tier8_4pc=1

meta_gem=chaotic_skyflare

# Item Procs
items=illustration_of_the_dragon_soul/scale_of_fates

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.0 ( iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=0, smooth_rng=0, spell_crit_suppression=0 )

DPS Ranking:
   4789 100.0%  Raid
   4791  100.0%  Warlock_T8_00_13_58

Player=Warlock_T8_00_13_58 (destruction)  DPS=4791.4 (Error=+/-2.5 Range=+/-487)  DPR=16.3  RS=294.5/228.2  (mana)
  Origin: input=Warlock_T8_00_13_58.simcraft
  Race: undead
  Core Stats:  strength=58(0)  agility=65(0)  stamina=1258(1086)  intellect=1184(1027)  spirit=678(507)  health=19935  mana=21860
  Spell Stats:  power=2447(2447)  hit=17.00%(446)  crit=17.02%(239)  penetration=0(0)  haste=17.08%(560)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=48(0)  hit=13.60%(446)  crit=9.11%(239)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=0.00%(0)  haste=17.08%(560)
  Defense Stats:  armor=130(0)
  Glyphs: conflagrate/incinerate/immolate
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt      Count= 19.7|15.4sec  DPE=  7703|11%  DPET=  5229  DPR=  31.8  pDPS= 505  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5806  Crit=12129|12617|30.0%
    conflagrate     Count= 26.9|11.3sec  DPE=  8199|15%  DPET=  6011  DPR=  14.8  pDPS= 735  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5351  Crit=11185|11222|48.8%
    curse_of_agony  Count=  0.6|56.0sec  DPE=  4483| 0%  DPET=  3281  DPR=  11.6  pDPS=   9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=6  Tick=459
    curse_of_doom   Count=  4.0|61.3sec  DPE= 13259| 4%  DPET=  9585  DPR=  22.9  pDPS= 177  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=13259
    immolate        Count= 19.2|15.9sec  DPE=  9588|13%  DPET=  8190  DPR=  16.3  pDPS= 615  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1931  Crit= 4035| 4197|29.4%  TickCount=93  Tick=1452
    incinerate      Count=112.9| 2.6sec  DPE=  6386|50%  DPET=  3760  DPR=  13.2  pDPS=2405  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4630  Crit= 9679|10060|34.8%
   imp  (DPS=347.0)
    fire_bolt       Count=144.1| 2.1sec  DPE=   720| 7%  DPET=   347  DPR=   4.0  pDPS= 346  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 686  Crit= 1029| 1029|10.0%
  Constant Buffs: fel_armor/illustration_of_the_dragon_soul
  Dynamic Buffs:
    backdraft     : start=26.9  refresh=0.0    interval= 11.3|11.3   uptime=50%  benefit=47%
    empowered_imp : start=14.3  refresh=0.1    interval= 19.6|19.5   uptime= 5%  benefit= 8%
    pyroclasm     : start=13.1  refresh=0.0    interval= 22.2|22.2   uptime=43%  benefit=33%
  Up-Times:
     91.9% : replenishment                 
  Procs:
     10.1 |  19.67sec : life_tap
  Gains:
    21859.8 : initial_mana 
    35507.5 : life_tap     
    12029.6 : replenishment
    20914.8 : soul_leech   

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 13697350
  MaxEventQueue = 17
  TargetHealth  = 1433414
  SimSeconds    = 3001060
  CpuSeconds    = 6.140
  SpeedUp       = 488772

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999817 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

I'm assuming the higher crit and spirit in Set1 outweighs the higher spellpower in Set2.

longtimelock · 08/31/09, 5:50 AM

Originally Posted by texhex

I've been using simcraft to run personal dps (optimal_raid=0) to gauge gear upgrades.

Can someone explain to me why Set1 is so much higher?

I leave the Hit rating on each to 446 because I am assured to be hit capped during raid given current raid makeup.

I think it might be Dying Curse vs Scale, at least in part.

gregorian · 08/31/09, 1:06 PM

Does anyone know the full buff list? I'd like to do a custom set instead of optimal_raid=1 but the old list of individual buffs isnt recognised by simcraft anymore.

dedmonwakeen · 08/31/09, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by gregorian

Does anyone know the full buff list? I'd like to do a custom set instead of optimal_raid=1 but the old list of individual buffs isnt recognised by simcraft anymore.

http://simulationcraft.googlecode.co...unk/sc_sim.cpp

Look at get_options() down near the bottom.

Essentially:

override.XXX=1

Troffel · 08/31/09, 3:33 PM

The method shadow_bolt_t::ready() is wrong.

To get a working implementation of isb_benefit and isb_trigger
this method has to be changed to:

  virtual bool ready()
  {
    warlock_t* p = player -> cast_warlock();

    if ( ! warlock_spell_t::ready() )
      return false;

    if ( shadow_trance )
      if ( ! p -> buffs_shadow_trance -> check() )
        return false;

    if ( isb_benefit )
      if ( ! sim -> target -> debuffs.improved_shadow_bolt -> check() )
        return false;

    if ( isb_trigger )
      if ( sim -> target -> debuffs.improved_shadow_bolt -> check() )
        return false;

    return true;
  }

dedmonwakeen · 08/31/09, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by Troffel

The method shadow_bolt_t::ready() is wrong.

Thanks, Troffel. This is fixed in r3203.

Windigo · 08/31/09, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Grimpek

2. IF so is loosing the four piece 8.5 worth it because i just dont see how 10% crit added to imp is worth loosing 5% crit off you inc and or SB

From Empowered Imp. The lower your paper doll crit is, the better this bonus is. As your crit increases, the bonus will go down (as Empowered Imp procs will have had a better chance to be a crit anyway), but the nice thing is, this isn't just a boost to Incinerate, but an overall crit increase for all your abilities. Chances are you'll see the biggest benefit through Incinerate still, as it makes up ~50% of our damage, but on paper it's a crit buff to all your abilities. And don't forget the obvious, it's also an increase to your imp's damage.

garlicncow · 09/01/09, 3:37 AM

I was messing around with this and I found incinerate is in fact not better then shadow bolt with 0/13/58

DPS Ranking:
   6116 100.0%  Raid
   6119  100.0%  Warlock_T7_00_13_58

Glyphs: conflagrate/chaos_bolt/life_tap
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt     Count= 24.8|12.2sec  DPE=  9279|12%  DPET=  7176  DPR=  38.3  pDPS= 768  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6142  Crit=12898|15240|46.4%
    conflagrate    Count= 27.2|11.2sec  DPE=  8121|12%  DPET=  6659  DPR=  14.6  pDPS= 736  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4854  Crit=10139|12162|61.8%
    curse_of_doom  Count=  4.0|61.0sec  DPE= 15948| 3%  DPET= 12660  DPR=  27.6  pDPS= 213  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=15948
    immolate       Count= 19.3|15.8sec  DPE=  9786|10%  DPET=  9183  DPR=  16.6  pDPS= 629  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1963  Crit= 4104| 4897|45.4%  TickCount=94  Tick=1410
    shadow_bolt    Count=118.3| 2.5sec  DPE=  8051|52%  DPET=  4851  DPR=  13.7  pDPS=3178  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5169  Crit=10803|13285|51.2%

DPS Ranking:
   6161 100.0%  Raid
   6164  100.0%  Warlock_T7_00_13_58

 Glyphs: conflagrate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt     Count= 20.2|15.0sec  DPE=  9343|10%  DPET=  6943  DPR=  38.6  pDPS= 630  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6122  Crit=12783|15240|48.4%
    conflagrate    Count= 27.0|11.2sec  DPE=  8085|12%  DPET=  6637  DPR=  14.6  pDPS= 730  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4828  Crit=10087|12162|61.9%
    curse_of_doom  Count=  4.0|60.9sec  DPE= 15885| 3%  DPET= 12599  DPR=  27.5  pDPS= 212  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=15885
    immolate       Count= 19.2|15.9sec  DPE=  9702|10%  DPET=  9086  DPR=  16.5  pDPS= 622  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1953  Crit= 4094| 4897|43.9%  TickCount=93  Tick=1403
    shadow_bolt    Count=123.4| 2.4sec  DPE=  7982|54%  DPET=  4840  DPR=  15.2  pDPS=3287  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5149  Crit=10766|13285|50.4%

DPS Ranking:
   5882 100.0%  Raid
   5885  100.0%  Warlock_T7_00_13_58

Glyphs: conflagrate/chaos_bolt/life_tap
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt     Count= 24.7|12.2sec  DPE=  9202|13%  DPET=  7128  DPR=  38.0  pDPS= 757  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6119  Crit=12824|15240|46.0%
    conflagrate    Count= 27.2|11.1sec  DPE=  8080|12%  DPET=  6625  DPR=  14.6  pDPS= 733  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4806  Crit=10059|12162|62.3%
    curse_of_doom  Count=  4.0|61.2sec  DPE= 15826| 4%  DPET= 12591  DPR=  27.4  pDPS= 211  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=15826
    immolate       Count= 19.3|15.9sec  DPE=  9693|11%  DPET=  9100  DPR=  16.5  pDPS= 622  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1951  Crit= 4073| 4897|45.1%  TickCount=93  Tick=1398
    incinerate     Count=120.6| 2.5sec  DPE=  7270|50%  DPET=  4369  DPR=  15.0  pDPS=2923  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4670  Crit= 9752|12077|51.2%

DPS Ranking:
   5984 100.0%  Raid
   5987  100.0%  Warlock_T7_00_13_58

 Glyphs: conflagrate/incinerate/life_tap
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt     Count= 20.2|15.1sec  DPE=  9353|11%  DPET=  6931  DPR=  38.6  pDPS= 629  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6105  Crit=12747|15240|48.9%
    conflagrate    Count= 27.1|11.2sec  DPE=  8058|12%  DPET=  6620  DPR=  14.5  pDPS= 728  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4815  Crit=10060|12162|61.8%
    curse_of_doom  Count=  4.0|60.8sec  DPE= 15812| 4%  DPET= 12525  DPR=  27.4  pDPS= 211  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=4  Tick=15812
    immolate       Count= 19.2|15.9sec  DPE=  9692|10%  DPET=  9073  DPR=  16.5  pDPS= 621  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1952  Crit= 4078| 4897|44.7%  TickCount=93  Tick=1399
    incinerate     Count=124.5| 2.4sec  DPE=  7617|53%  DPET=  4618  DPR=  15.7  pDPS=3160  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4905  Crit=10254|12681|50.7%

These are the 4 tests I did and shadow bolt seems to do more. So in my current gear which will soon to be regemmed until then should I switch to shadow bolt?

• Zakalwe · 09/01/09, 4:13 AM

Originally Posted by garlicncow

I was messing around with this and I found incinerate is in fact not better then shadow bolt with 0/13/58

Since you're getting off roughly the same amount of incinerates and shadow bolts, I'm guessing the spec you used for those tests didn't have 5/5 Emberstorm.

Pyronia · 09/01/09, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Grimpek

3. And as a destro lock my guild doesnt run with a demo lock and i think they are a huge raid utility but switching to demo drops my dps at least 1000 and im wondering if its worth it, i mean is the difference between the 280 totem and DP with my peaking Spellpower worth it?

Once you start moving from 226 gear to 239/T9/ToC gear, I think the answer is yes. I'm the designated demo lock for my guild and I run with over 4000 SP, giving a much bigger buff than the totem (411 to be exact). It should be noted that it's not just a buff for the caster dps: healers also get a big boost and, to a lesser extent, enhance shamans, paladins, etc.

You really need to try it in a raid setting to see what your bonus will be. Demonic Knowledge creates a situation where all stamina and intellect buffs provide additional SP (including Spiced Mammoth Treats). Demonic Embrace and Fel Vitality also boost your SP considerably.

That being said, my damage is not nearly as good as the other locks. On the other hand, I'm now first in line for SP upgrades. I got the guild's first Starshard Edge last night.

garlicncow · 09/01/09, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Since you're getting off roughly the same amount of incinerates and shadow bolts, I'm guessing the spec you used for those tests didn't have 5/5 Emberstorm.

Hmm don't see how I missed that and still had 13/58 well I'm going to do some more tests.

sephx · 09/01/09, 6:44 PM

I was running some comparison's in our guild and sifting through the raw data text and I noticed that if you import your wowhead profile, it isnt correctly importing everything. (gear, etc.)

also without the raid it is showing everyone as having 0 hit rating, etc.

if i have the raid optimization on does it only include the armor bonuses with the raid build?

Below is the output:

Simulationcraft Results

Also I am a different spec than they are (i'm xtera). I am specced into suppression and according to this I only have 14.95% hr, is it properly taking into account that I have the extra 3%.

do I need to adjust the settings for 25 man raids so that the cap is properly raised to 17% for 100% hit rating. because according to this 14% hr in raid is enough without suppression.

dedmonwakeen · 09/01/09, 7:01 PM

wowhead profile import definitely works because they are the basis of all our standard configs...

For some odd reason you have players listed twice........ It is always helpful to post the .simcraft file that generated the html output.

Warlocomotif · 09/01/09, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by garlicncow

Hmm don't see how I missed that and still had 13/58 well I'm going to do some more tests.

My guess is you swapped 5/5 emberstorm for 5/5 improved shadow bolt.

sephx · 09/01/09, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

wowhead profile import definitely works because they are the basis of all our standard configs...

For some odd reason you have players listed twice........ It is always helpful to post the .simcraft file that generated the html output.

I fixed that, i had the initial file setup wrong.

Maybe I'm not understanding the output properly, but my hit should be higher than the other two correct. Is it properly taking into account the suppression buff? I guess with optimal_raid set to 1 so I guess it really doesn't matter.

Rosethorn · 09/02/09, 4:26 AM

I hope I am not missing the elephant in the room here, but why are we still simcrafting using tier 8 equipment when tier 9 is now out? Not trying to get up anyone's nose here etc, just wondering why I hadn't seen anything on the new set bonuses etc yet.

garlicncow · 09/02/09, 4:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rosethorn

I hope I am not missing the elephant in the room here, but why are we still simcrafting using tier 8 equipment when tier 9 is now out? Not trying to get up anyone's nose here etc, just wondering why I hadn't seen anything on the new set bonuses etc yet.

I'm in 2 piece t8.5 and 2 t7 so that is my excuse.

Fecys · 09/02/09, 8:10 AM

The simcraft from the 0/13/58 build uses glyph of lifetap, but is it beneficial to have both ISL leech AND glyph of lifetap?

To me it seems that you dont life tap as much whit ISL which makes glyph of lifetap pretty bad, but if you DO lifetap to keep the buff up, is ISL necassary? Isnt it better to just put te points in supression so you can take less hit?

Orgath · 09/02/09, 11:08 AM

As you can see from the simcraft logs, even with GoLT and ISL, you still need to Lifetap more for mana than you'd need to just keep the buff up.

mjball · 09/02/09, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Orgath

As you can see from the simcraft logs, even with GoLT and ISL, you still need to Lifetap more for mana than you'd need to just keep the buff up.

That said, in almost every fight, there is some movement involved, which means opportunities to life tap (for the mana return and to refresh the glyph buff) that aren't "wasted" GCDs you could be spending on damaging spells. Orgath, is this still true when you turn on movement in simcraft? I'm not sure if that feature is considered "accurate" yet or not.

Orgath · 09/02/09, 11:49 AM

That feature is not applicable for simulating this correctly as it enforces periodic behaviour and unless you set the timeframe for movement >40s (which is for most fights to high) you will see no detriment to GoLT efficiency.
Even than, it nowhere reads to refresh the buff on cooldown, simcraft only simulates this for a PW style fight as the most efficient use.

Fecys · 09/02/09, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by mjball

That said, in almost every fight, there is some movement involved, which means opportunities to life tap (for the mana return and to refresh the glyph buff) that aren't "wasted" GCDs you could be spending on damaging spells. Orgath, is this still true when you turn on movement in simcraft? I'm not sure if that feature is considered "accurate" yet or not.

Yes that is true and I understand that, its also the reason that I choose the glyph of lifetap...

But that still doesnt explain why I would spec into ISL. Actually, the fact that ToC has quite a lot movement, I see no reason to even take ISL.