SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 77

Injez · 04/10/09, 6:05 PM

Change T7_gear to T8 in new simcraft and you'll see:

DPS Ranking:
50100 100.0% Raid
7530 15.0% Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG
7419 14.8% Warlock_T8_00_40_31
7242 14.4% Warlock_T8_53_00_18
7226 14.4% Warlock_T8_03_13_55
7059 14.1% Warlock_T8_00_41_30
6874 13.7% Warlock_T8_03_52_16
6830 13.6% Warlock_T8_00_56_15
So, destro is new blizzard's love, deep-demo nerfed to zero.

ruthlessmind · 04/10/09, 9:02 PM

One thing I've noticed with all of the affliction specs is the 2 points in Improved Life Tap but with the new Glyph resulting in much more frequent casting of the spell mana is not much of an issue with affliction spec.

If thinking that it would be safe to drop the points out and place them into Improved Drain Soul if threat might be an issue or into Fel Concentration if there is heavy aoe damage causing a lot of pushback.

wow2k6 · 04/10/09, 9:05 PM

Yeah but there aren't so many affliction spells with casttime...UA and Haunt casttime ist short enough to not be affected too much by pushback...but DS could be worth it...

ruthlessmind · 04/10/09, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by wow2k6

Yeah but there aren't so many affliction spells with casttime...UA and Haunt casttime ist short enough to not be affected too much by pushback...but DS could be worth it...

Ya I'm leaning more towards DS for the fact that tanks will be dropping a lot of threat switching over to effective health sets for progression.

ruthlessmind · 04/12/09, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by fip

It appears that builds including Master Conjurer may not be reflecting the most recent changes:
"Increases the combat ratings gained from your Spellstone and Firestone by 150/300%" old was 15/30%.

spell_stone_t( player_t* player, const std::string& options_str ) :
warlock_spell_t( "spell_stone", player, SCHOOL_FIRE, TREE_DEMONOLOGY )
{
warlock_t* p = player -> cast_warlock();
trigger_gcd = 0;

bonus_haste = ( ( p -> level <= 60 ) ? 30 :
( p -> level <= 66 ) ? 40 :
( p -> level <= 72 ) ? 50 : 60 );

bonus_haste = (int16_t) ( bonus_haste * ( 1.0 + p -> talents.master_conjuror * 0.15 ) );
}

Looks like it's working off the old ratings.

This should be able to be fixed for now by manually adding in the bonus haste/crit into the stats for the gear set to account for that change.

• Zakalwe · 04/12/09, 6:21 PM

Originally Posted by fip

It appears that builds including Master Conjurer may not be reflecting the most recent changes:
"Increases the combat ratings gained from your Spellstone and Firestone by 150/300%" old was 15/30%.

spell_stone_t( player_t* player, const std::string& options_str ) :
warlock_spell_t( "spell_stone", player, SCHOOL_FIRE, TREE_DEMONOLOGY )
{
warlock_t* p = player -> cast_warlock();
trigger_gcd = 0;

bonus_haste = ( ( p -> level <= 60 ) ? 30 :
( p -> level <= 66 ) ? 40 :
( p -> level <= 72 ) ? 50 : 60 );

bonus_haste = (int16_t) ( bonus_haste * ( 1.0 + p -> talents.master_conjuror * 0.15 ) );
}

Looks like it's working off the old ratings.

No idea where you got this code snippet from, but it's not what's currently in use. The 150/300% change has been implemented in simcraft since the day after the initial 3.1 PTR was opened.

Warlocomotif · 04/13/09, 6:45 AM

Originally Posted by Injez

Sumbish, DP-buff gives 300+spd, instead of 280 ToW's, and uptime near to 99%. And in 3.1 DP will much more powerfull. But, this build will be only raid-buffer, like moonkin or ele-sham.

Ele shammys are definitely not just raid buffers right now. Watch their performance when they get to toss up their DPS totems

Atleast the Ele shammy in my guild is doing extrmely well compared to other hybrids.

Injez · 04/13/09, 10:29 AM

Ok, ele-sham is bad example. But, pure-dps class shouldn't be just raid-buffer, it's hybrid's role. So, while deep-demo spec will just raid-buffer, this spec can't be viable. Pure dps-class should make best dps, not best buffs.

supplicium · 04/13/09, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Injez

Ok, ele-sham is bad example. But, pure-dps class shouldn't be just raid-buffer, it's hybrid's role. So, while deep-demo spec will just raid-buffer, this spec can't be viable. Pure dps-class should make best dps, not best buffs.

I agree in some ways to what you are saying in that it seems to "hurt" the role of a hybrid; but look at mages (and now warlocks) aren't hybrids yet they add 5% crit to bosses for casters.

Theres nothing wrong with shaman loosing 1 of their many raid bonuses. They also bring tons of helpful totems, great healing, and really good dps (for both enh and ele). The problem is no one sees the good ele dps because they are always using a raid buff totem vs a personal best totem now they might have a chance to shine and we can bring them for their decent dps +heroism+other utilities.

Sumbish · 04/13/09, 8:27 PM

Simulationcraft 2127 I was trying to get some DPS numbers on different glyphs but if I don't have glyph_lifetap=1 then the lock doesn't seem to attack at all. ie. comment it out or change to another glyph to repeat the 'bug'.

whi · 04/13/09, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sumbish

Simulationcraft 2127 I was trying to get some DPS numbers on different glyphs but if I don't have glyph_lifetap=1 then the lock doesn't seem to attack at all. ie. comment it out or change to another glyph to repeat the 'bug'.

Try deleting "/life_tap,glyph=1/" from the list of actions, im pretty sure that caused those weird amounts of dps for such profiles.

Did those tests for my guild recently and here is what i got:

   6847   4.6%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_lt
   6803   4.6%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_imp
   6791   4.5%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_immo
   6711   4.5%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31_coa

   6625   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_lt
   6553   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_haunt
   6506   4.4%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_coa
   6487   4.3%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_cor
   6477   4.3%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_sb

   6568   4.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_lt
   6476   4.3%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_immo
   6455   4.3%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_imp

   6567   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_fg
   6545   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_lt
   6508   4.4%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_inci
   6420   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_immo
   6412   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30_coa

   6375   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_fg
   6357   4.3%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_lt
   6226   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_meta
   6204   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_cor
   6202   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_immo
   6198   4.2%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15_sb

10000 iterations, specs with conflag use conflag glyph and the one listed, others only the one that is listed of course.
Imp vs immolate in 40/31 ended a bit weird and i couldn't reproduce it. Tried both immo/imp alone and in conjunction with life tap, nothing. They were very close to each other, but immolate always came out higher by few points.

Edit:
Seems that i forgot about chaos bolt glyph for deep destro, not a big loss though:

   6397  25.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_lt
   6311  25.0%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_immo
   6283  24.9%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_imp
   6229  24.7%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55_cb

• Double-Neg · 04/14/09, 7:41 PM

Jesus christ THE BIG ORANGE BOX MEANS THE POST HAS BEEN INFRACTION. It got an infracted 5 hours ago, OK WE KNOW ITS BEEN DONE.

Zaiviys · 04/14/09, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Mod Edit:

warlock=Warlock_T8_00_41_30
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31050000000000
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard
actions+=/life_tap,glyph=1/soul_fire,decimation=1/immolate/curse_of_agony/corruption,health_percentage>=35/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T7_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_life_tap=1
glyph_felguard=1
glyph_incinerate=1

Being new, I just wish to make sure that I am understanding the rotation with this spec. The Spell Stone is applied, then once the demon is up, Soul Fire is cast, then Immolate, then Curse of Agony, Corruption next, Incinerate and finally, Life Tap. Have I read that correctly? Thanks for the input ahead of time.

Lurker37 · 04/15/09, 12:43 AM

There is no rotation here.

The first 'actions' line isn't part of what you cast during the fight - it's the stuff you do before the pull. It tells the simulator what self-buffs you have, and what you have summoned.

The second 'actions' line is a list of priorities and conditions, not an order in which to cast spells.

So it's a check list the simulator goes through every GCD.

1) Is the Life Tap Glyph's spellpower buff on? If not then life tap, else continue to 2).

2) Do you have the Decimate Buff? If so the cast Soulfire. Otherwise continue to 3)

3)Do any dots need refreshing and is target health >=35? If so then renew DoTs, (if more than one dot needs refreshing then your order of priority is Immolate, CoA, Corruption). Otherwise go to 4)

4) Cast incinerate (or life tap if OOM, which you shouldn't be if you're life tapping every 20 seconds for the buff.)

Drakh · 04/15/09, 7:25 AM

3)Do any dots need refreshing and is target health >=35? If so then renew DoTs, (if more than one dot needs refreshing then your order of priority is Immolate, CoA, Corruption). Otherwise go to 4)

And whats about target HP < 35 ? No more DoT refreshing ?