SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 87

Velx · 04/26/09, 2:05 AM

Can't find the answer to this question
If you only have the 2 set bonus, Is the Glyph of Life Tap still worth it?

Chaley · 04/26/09, 2:51 AM

I was looking at the gear sets, and was wondering why the T8 gear set that assumes 3% hit from talents uses a MH + OH combo over [Staff of Endless Winter]. Unless my math is wrong, it would be a DPS increase to have that (although very small) due to the fact that staves have a higher enchant. This item also having sockets makes it possible to have a higher impact on damage when epic gems are released.

brymortis · 04/26/09, 6:11 PM

I think the staff with 1x 32 spellpower and 1x Purified Twilight Opal will utilize its maximum potential without wasting 2 dragons eye.

Darkstarrz · 04/26/09, 6:40 PM

I dont know they are both very close dps wise, But I think the 100 plus haste you will lose not using the MH and OH Best in Slots for affliction would be a pretty big lose but thats just me. Now that on MMO-Champion all the hard mode loot has been established it would be nice to put a BIS gear list together, and go from there.

Paroxys · 04/26/09, 7:41 PM

In light of the new Hard Mode loot posted on MMO-Champion, I believe we have some new BiS.

Grasps of Reason are an upgrade over Unsullied Cuffs in every way, and so are BiS for both gear sets.

Conductive Seal is, at a glance, superior to Signet of Manifested Pain, although specific spec scale factors may prove that not true.

Dragones · 04/27/09, 12:32 AM

Depending on if you have 1% hit from draenei racial and your setup this neck might also be BIS now from Iron Councill hard mode.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...18_9767_22.jpg

duhwhat · 04/27/09, 8:54 AM

Regarding the use of Shadow Bolt as Affliction sub 25% to maintain Shadow Mastery: the loss (if any) of personal DPS is likely to be outweighed by a gain of rDPS. However, I think it would be useful to determine at least an approximation of rDPS when comparing an Affliction warlock providing the Shadow Mastery debuff sub 25% vs. a mage providing the Scorch debuff, so as to have some data on who should provide this debuff.

dzikson · 04/27/09, 11:05 AM

Warlock_T8_00_41_30 intellect=0.30 spirit=0.77 spell_power=1.21 crit_rating=0.69 haste_rating=1.29

Maybe I missed this part, but does a point of haste really more beneficial now than a point of spell power for 0/41/30 ???

Teroy · 04/27/09, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by dzikson

Maybe I missed this part, but does a point of haste really more beneficial now than a point of spell power for 0/41/30 ???

I'm sure the fact that that your pet does 20% of your dps and that you gain a large amount of SP from your pets stam/int factor into this. Also the factors based on one particular set of gear. You would have to run the sim for yourself with your own gear to see how different stats scale for you.

• Zakalwe · 04/27/09, 12:08 PM

Yeah the tentative T8 gear sets I put together ended up being quite low on haste - only 483 haste rating. Given that starting point, each point of SP is less worth than each point of haste. If you had, say, 650 haste rating, I'm sure the opposite would be true.

Speaking of the gear sets, they're horribly out of date and I don't have much spare time these days. Has anyone been able to compile an updated best-in-slot set featuring the latest hard mode drops? I'd be happy to accept external input on this. If not, I'll do it myself as soon as chardev is updated with the most recently discovered loot.

texhex · 04/27/09, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Yeah the tentative T8 gear sets I put together ended up being quite low on haste - only 483 haste rating. Given that starting point, each point of SP is less worth than each point of haste. If you had, say, 650 haste rating, I'm sure the opposite would be true.

Speaking of the gear sets, they're horribly out of date and I don't have much spare time these days. Has anyone been able to compile an updated best-in-slot set featuring the latest hard mode drops? I'd be happy to accept external input on this. If not, I'll do it myself as soon as chardev is updated with the most recently discovered loot.

What about something like this:
Loot Rank for WotLK

Nnayr · 04/27/09, 5:03 PM

That itemizes items with a high amount of hit with a higher score, which when you are hit capped is completely incorrect.

Kanno · 04/27/09, 5:56 PM

I can do it if someone can help me outline the correct process... here's what I tried the other day:

1) use wowhead or something similar to score all gear with the correct weights for your spec, but without hit, take note of all the top scores for each slot, I labeled these BiS - nohit

2) go back and reenter the stat weights, but include hit this time. I just took the number for the highest stat, and used that number for hit rating so they would be weighed equally. Record all the top items' names. Now go back and change the weights back to no hit, and find the scores of your hit items and label them BiS - hit. (I think) you need to keep all the scores on the same weight scale.

3) Find the scores for your tier pieces.

4) I subtracted the BiS-hit score from the BiS-nohit score to find my "Hit Loss" score for each slot. I also subtracted the Tier score from the BiS-nohit score to find my "Tier Loss" score for all the tier slots.

5) Now I started building my set. I started with the necessary number of tier pieces to use, which from what I've read so far is 4pc t8. So I put the four tier pieces with the lowest Tier Loss score in my set. After that I went and and started adding hit pieces with the lowest Hit Loss score until I reached my preferred percentage of hit (Don't forget to add in icewalker, etc). Then I filled in the rest of the slots with the highest BiS-nohit scored pieces.

Now obviously this isn't perfect, I found the BiS gearsets in this thread and kind of said screw it and gave up halfway through making my own.

Eeks · 04/27/09, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kanno

I can do it if someone can help me outline the correct process... here's what I tried the other day:

1) use wowhead or something similar to score all gear with the correct weights for your spec, but without hit, take note of all the top scores for each slot, I labeled these BiS - nohit

2) go back and reenter the stat weights, but include hit this time. I just took the number for the highest stat, and used that number for hit rating so they would be weighed equally. Record all the top items' names. Now go back and change the weights back to no hit, and find the scores of your hit items and label them BiS - hit. (I think) you need to keep all the scores on the same weight scale.

3) Find the scores for your tier pieces.

4) I subtracted the BiS-hit score from the BiS-nohit score to find my "Hit Loss" score for each slot. I also subtracted the Tier score from the BiS-nohit score to find my "Tier Loss" score for all the tier slots.

5) Now I started building my set. I started with the necessary number of tier pieces to use, which from what I've read so far is 4pc t8. So I put the four tier pieces with the lowest Tier Loss score in my set. After that I went and and started adding hit pieces with the lowest Hit Loss score until I reached my preferred percentage of hit (Don't forget to add in icewalker, etc). Then I filled in the rest of the slots with the highest BiS-nohit scored pieces.

Now obviously this isn't perfect, I found the BiS gearsets in this thread and kind of said screw it and gave up halfway through making my own.

The new hard mode items aren't on wowhead yet. Also, gemming sockets I feel is the most complicated thing to weigh when compiling BiS lists.

texhex · 04/27/09, 7:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nnayr

That itemizes items with a high amount of hit with a higher score, which when you are hit capped is completely incorrect.

I know what it does.

So far the lootrank site shows the most up to date listing of the Ulduar items, heroic, hard or otherwise.

Ultimately spec is going determine BiS.

It looks like warcrafter.net is pretty up to date with the items as well.

I'll try get a BiS for 41/30 going on warcrafter.net

edit
warcrafter.net ismissing quite a few of the 239 items so it's a no go.

Looks like we are waiting unless someone wants to get out a spreadsheet and do some math...