SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 87

dedmonwakeen · 10/22/09, 8:30 AM

Originally Posted by duffry

Something like this?

Kinda reinforces the "no real sweet spot" rule of thumb for me. Yeah, there are peaks but they're pretty tiny.

It also reinforces the use of a large haste delta when calculating scale factors in order to smooth out the bumps.

Warlocomotif · 10/22/09, 10:04 AM

A few things about the demo specs;
[1] The hybrid demo specs should no longer be using curse of agony as it no longer procs molten core (well, it shouldn't anymore anyway).
[2] actions+=/corruption,health_percentage>=35 can be removed from all profiles
[3] I'd like to see how deep demo does with glyph of quick decay. I'm pretty sure the change won't be big, but we can hope [Id do it myself only the download isn't updated].

Another thing:

immolation Count= 6.0|56.5sec DPE= 18044| 4% DPET= 15015 DPR= 7.3 pDPS= 361 Miss=0.0% TickCount=60 Tick=1792|1724|1872

Ok so we've got 60 ticks in total, 6 immolation aura's, 3 metamorphosises. Which means we're using it twice per metamorphosis (as expected). An immolation aura that doesn't get clipped has 15 ticks, which means that the 3 immolation auras that do get clipped average at 5 ticks.

The average tick @ 1792 for a DPE of 8960, DPET of about 7456. The DPET is lower than that of soulfire, so *deally* you'd only cast 2 immolation aura's per metamorphosis above 35%. This will provide us with a very very small DPS increase, one we probably won't enough notice >_<

TheRabidSniper · 10/22/09, 2:00 PM

Well, on the PTR as of the latest build, Molten Core has been changed yet again:

"Your Shadow spells and damage over time effects have a 12% chance to increase the damage done by your Incinerate by 5/10/15% and Soul Fire by 4/7/10% for 12 sec."

CoA, Corruption, Shadowbolt, Shadowflame all proc Molten Core. Molten Core no longer has charges; it lasts for the full 12 seconds, regardless.

Also, BLizz is trying to get the new glyphs up; they put 3 recipes on a vendor, but unfortunately they're bugged and cannot be learned. : /

Edit: Just tested Conflag. Out of 54 Conflag DoT ticks, none crit, and the damage only scaled with random spellpower procs; i.e., when Conflag itself crit, the DoT was no stronger than normal.

Eulo · 10/22/09, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheRabidSniper

Well, on the PTR as of the latest build, Molten Core has been changed yet again:

"Your Shadow spells and damage over time effects have a 12% chance to increase the damage done by your Incinerate by 5/10/15% and Soul Fire by 4/7/10% for 12 sec."

It's just the tool tip of MC that is old. The effect in the patch notes is partially working, in that MC has charges and correctly affects incinerate damage and cast time, but immolate's duration is not affected. As mentioned earlier, charges don't get consumed until incinerate hits a target. The fourth incinerate will not get the damage boost, just the cast reduction.

Also, I just did 1002 ticks of corruption (167 casts) with 3/3 MC on a training dummy and only had 51 procs (applications as well as refreshes).

TheRabidSniper · 10/22/09, 4:16 PM

Originally Posted by Eulo

It's just the tool tip of MC that is old. The effect in the patch notes is partially working, in that MC has charges and correctly affects incinerate damage and cast time, but immolate's duration is not affected. As mentioned earlier, charges don't get consumed until incinerate hits a target. The fourth incinerate will not get the damage boost, just the cast reduction.

That is incorrect. The tooltip I quoted is exactly how it is now working on the PTR.

No charges. No reduction in cast time.

12 second buff

I was able to cast 6 incinerates during one MC, all benefited from the damage bonus.

Eulo · 10/22/09, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheRabidSniper

That is incorrect. The tooltip I quoted is exactly how it is now working on the PTR.

No charges. No reduction in cast time.

12 second buff

I was able to cast 6 incinerates during one MC, all benefited from the damage bonus.

This is a screenshot taken just now. Have you unlearned and respent your talent points since the latest build?
If not, could you do me a favor and give it a shot to see if that changes it? I respec'd immediately after logging in in order to pick up a third point in MC.

Edit: I just found the source of the issue. The first and second points give the old effect. Only at three points invested will it give the effect listed in the latest patch notes.

TheRabidSniper · 10/22/09, 5:02 PM

Good call!

Respecced.

1 talent point in MC, all the following proc MC: CoA, Corruption, Shadowbolt, Shadowflame

2 TPs in MC: CoA, Corruption, Shadowbolt, (Didn't bother testing Shadowflame)

3 TPs in MC: CoA, Corruption, Shadowbolt

With 3/3 MC, I finally get 3 charges on a 15 second buff. I had been using 2/3 MC beforehand. So 1/3 and 2/3 MC are currently bugged (even worse than what MC is *supposed* to be).

Glad I know what's what now...

So, as of the current PTR build, MC works as follows:

Any shadow damage (DD, DoT) has a chance to proc MC. MC then lasts 15 seconds and has 3 charges, where one charge is consumed by Incinerate or Soul Fire when either of those hit their target, not when their cast is finished.

Edit: a little something extra, though it matters not at all: if the incinerate Misses, a charge is not consumed.

angaroth · 10/22/09, 5:41 PM

OK. I reran my original profile two more times and the dps did not vary for any haste value by more than 3. The largest class of DPS_1-DPS_2 or DPS_2 - DPS_3 was -1,0,1 so the runs are pretty consistent at the 15k cycle. Different numbers for BiS though (T9, from the 3393 release - the latest doesn't work under wine for me) I expect because higher levels of crit and SP are magnifying the differences. I present to you in all its glory - the BiS haste run from 300-790

Haste DPS_out Int_scale Spi_scale SP_scale Hit_scale Crit_scale Haste_scale
300 9291 0.35 0.98 1.52 4.16 0.95 1.51
310 9303 0.33 0.96 1.51 4.19 0.92 1.6
320 9305 0.35 0.98 1.53 4.09 0.96 1.71
330 9344 0.36 0.99 1.55 4.22 0.96 1.54
340 9358 0.36 0.98 1.54 4.2 0.96 1.62
350 9371 0.34 0.99 1.54 4.19 0.96 1.76
360 9390 0.36 1.01 1.55 4.26 0.97 1.54
370 9424 0.36 0.99 1.54 4.33 0.94 1.58
380 9440 0.34 0.98 1.52 4.3 0.95 1.56
390 9473 0.36 0.97 1.55 4.38 0.96 1.46
400 9462 0.34 0.98 1.54 4.23 0.96 1.74
410 9460 0.33 0.98 1.52 4.17 0.95 1.39
420 9472 0.35 0.98 1.55 4.14 0.97 1.47
430 9486 0.35 1.01 1.57 4.14 0.95 1.48
440 9523 0.34 0.99 1.53 4.3 0.95 1.18
450 9518 0.38 1.03 1.58 4.16 0.97 1.48
460 9543 0.35 1 1.56 4.23 0.97 1.38
470 9560 0.35 1 1.58 4.29 0.97 1.38
480 9578 0.36 1 1.56 4.33 0.97 1.39
490 9604 0.34 0.98 1.55 4.33 0.96 1.26
500 9636 0.36 1.01 1.58 4.41 1 1.28
510 9620 0.36 1.01 1.59 4.28 0.98 1.4
520 9662 0.37 1.04 1.59 4.35 0.97 1.16
530 9671 0.37 1.03 1.62 4.31 0.99 1.04
540 9694 0.37 1.03 1.6 4.36 0.99 1.25
550 9721 0.36 1 1.59 4.36 1 1.25
560 9670 0.34 0.99 1.55 4.2 0.97 1.2
570 9691 0.35 0.99 1.58 4.23 1.01 1.32
580 9709 0.35 0.99 1.56 4.39 0.97 1.41
590 9699 0.36 1.03 1.6 4.11 0.99 1.57
600 9738 0.37 1.02 1.6 4.26 1 1.44
610 9752 0.36 1.04 1.6 4.33 1 1.44
620 9768 0.37 1.02 1.59 4.35 1 1.45
630 9786 0.38 1.04 1.64 4.31 1.02 1.36
640 9798 0.34 1 1.57 4.37 0.98 1.66
650 9829 0.36 1.01 1.6 4.51 1.02 1.24
660 9830 0.38 1.05 1.61 4.38 1.02 1.29
670 9837 0.38 1.03 1.6 4.33 1.03 1.36
680 9829 0.4 1.03 1.63 4.29 1.05 1.41
690 9879 0.38 1.03 1.62 4.48 1.02 1.18
700 9909 0.39 1.05 1.64 4.61 1.04 1.2
710 9847 0.38 1.03 1.63 4.18 1.02 1.52
720 9888 0.37 1.05 1.65 4.33 1.04 1.39
730 9921 0.38 1.04 1.62 4.42 1.03 1.23
740 9931 0.4 1.08 1.66 4.44 1.06 1.37
750 9953 0.39 1.07 1.64 4.54 1.03 1.39
760 9967 0.4 1.09 1.65 4.43 1.07 1.35
770 9987 0.4 1.06 1.66 4.4 1.06 1.24
780 9992 0.35 1.01 1.64 4.36 1.03 1.28
790 10044 0.4 1.06 1.66 4.54 1.04 1.14

Samohlfsero · 10/22/09, 6:01 PM

I imagine they will eventually modify either the effect or the notes for Molten Core so they match. However, in the interim, are simcrafts going to assume that it can proc on all shadow spells or just Corruption, or possibly run both sets of sims?

Shayo · 10/22/09, 6:19 PM

Interesting. It looks like there are couple of sweet spots. 390 haste is the best dps until 430 haste. The largest example of a sweet spot is 550 haste which is the best dps in the 500-600 haste range and also of note is the significant dps loss when you go from 700 to 710.

I'm assuming that the generation of those numbers is automated; is there any chance you can do the same for numbers up to the haste soft cap so that we can take a closer look at our haste trinkets and the benefit they provide?

angaroth · 10/22/09, 7:09 PM

@Shayo: I just generated a loop to run simcraft over and over for each of those haste values. Takes about 2 hours to run on my machine so the idea of running it up into the thousands is not interesting - remember that simcraft is taking into account those procs and I am doing 15k iterations per run.

Troffel · 10/23/09, 6:21 AM

The lowering of dps with higher levels of haste is originated by the cooldowns of chaos bolt and conflagrate.

It is "a bug in simulationcraft", because it use a wrong casting strategy.

First, simulationcraft uses a priority list. If a spell is on cooldown, it uses a spell down the priority list.
This happens even, if a high dps-spell is getting ready in a very short time. A better casting strategy
is to wait for the high dps-spell to get ready.

Lets do a simplified example:

Spell A on 10 sec cooldown with 1.5 sec cast time doing 10k damage per cast.
Spell B with 2 sec cast time doing 5k per cast.

Spell B fits perfectly into the cooldown of spell A.
So you have 5 casts of spell B and 1 cast of spell A in 11.5 sec time.
Finally, you get for a rotation sequence (5 * 5k + 1*10k)/11.5 sec = 3043.5 dps.

Assume now, that you get additionally an infinitesimal amount of haste. 
Then after 5 cast of spell B the spell A is still on cooldown, so simulationcraft uses another
cast of spell B. 
In this situation simulationcraft uses 6 casts of spell B and 1 cast of spell A in 13.5 sec.
So finally, you get with infinitesimal amount of more haste (6*5k + 1*10k)/13.5 = 2963 dps.

I have to emphasize, that the "haste to dps"-relationship IS NOT generally LINEAR, so the linear scaling factors have to be taken with additional care.
This relationship even shows that the "stats to dps"-relationsship is even not multilinear!

The scaling factors are only difference quotients at specific points in the gear configuration space.
This non-linearity ensures that best-of-gear build by these scaling factors is disputable.
Even if you compare exactly one items with another and scaling factors calculated this no item of this slot worn, you make an (hopefully small) error, if you use these linear scaling factors.

Johnneke · 10/23/09, 9:58 AM

Hey guys, this is not 3.3 related but how do I ensure that heroic presence is added to the buff list on simcraft. I changed overrides.heroic_presence=0 to 1 in the globals_t9 & t8.simc files. No luck, I also tried adding this in the simcraft bat file with no luck aswell as in my own profile file (missaar.simcraft). No luck in each one. Hopefully someone can get me a clear answer on my problem.

Althor · 10/23/09, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Johnneke

Hey guys, this is not 3.3 related but how do I ensure that heroic presence is added to the buff list on simcraft. I changed overrides.heroic_presence=0 to 1 in the globals_t9 & t8.simc files. No luck, I also tried adding this in the simcraft bat file with no luck aswell as in my own profile file (missaar.simcraft). No luck in each one. Hopefully someone can get me a clear answer on my problem.

Out of interest, what race was your character when you tried seeting override.heroic_presence=1
From what I recall it still checks your faction so that only Alliance can benefit from it, so if you had an alliance character and it wasn't working it's probably a bug.

dedmonwakeen · 10/23/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Troffel

It is "a bug in simulationcraft", because it use a wrong casting strategy.

Some actions (such as Mind Blast back when Mind Flay sucked eggs) have custom options for "waiting", but they aren't easy to implement at the moment. I'll add some code to the underlying architecture that will check duration_ready and cooldown_ready against a specified "wait" condition. If successful, the action will execute even if not truly ready, but instead of performing the ability merely schedule a player_ready event "wait" seconds into the future.

Fucty · 10/23/09, 7:27 PM

Don't know if this is only GUI-related but it seems that the default actionslist for affliction in v322 is using fire_stone. Had to edit this by hand (originally fire_stone):

edit:

Interesting enough the scale factors for haste with quick_decay compared to curse_of_agony are much worse.

with curse_of_agony glyph :

with quick_decay glyph:

dedmonwakeen · 10/23/09, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fucty

Interesting enough the scale factors for haste with quick_decay compared to curse_of_agony are much worse.

That seems just plain broken...... Could you open an Issue with description and upload exact profile into the Issue?

Of all threads, this one gets a ton of attention, but opening Issues guarantees they get fixed.

Althor · 10/24/09, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Fucty

Don't know if this is only GUI-related but it seems that the default actionslist for affliction in v322 is using fire_stone. Had to edit this by hand (originally fire_stone):

The choice between Fire Stone and Spell Stone in the default action list is tied to the presence of points in Master Conjuror.

If you have at least 1 point in it then it uses the Spell Stone, otherwise it uses the Fire Stone.

Is there a better option to check to decide which stone to use?

Althor · 10/24/09, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by Fucty

Interesting enough the scale factors for haste with quick_decay compared to curse_of_agony are much worse.

with curse_of_agony glyph :

I can't replicate this with the default 53/00/18 T9 profile (making sure it's using spell stone).

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft release 3.2.2 ( iterations=20000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  18282 100.0%  Raid
   9406  51.4%  Warlock_T9_53_00_18_2
   8897  48.6%  Warlock_T9_53_00_18

Player: Warlock_T9_53_00_18 undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 8897.3  Error=2.6  Range=727  DPR=29.2  RPS=304.7/237.2  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14604901
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1698|1245(1155)  intellect=1561|1315(1158)  spirit=1136|909(738)  health=23524|19434  mana=26991|23301
  Spell Stats:  power=4020|3049(3049)  hit=11.32%|11.32%(297)  crit=30.23%|23.76%(650)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=29.79%|18.18%(596)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=9.06%|9.06%(297)  crit=28.28%|18.27%(650)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=48.33%|18.18%(596)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2830|2326(2176)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: curse_of_agony/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,succubus/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0| 0.0sec  DPE=540876|20%  DPET=439483  DPR=1066.8  pDPS=1805  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3613|2586|4779  CritTick=7559|5404|9989|47.4%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 10.9|28.9sec  DPE= 16492| 7%  DPET= 15019  DPR=  45.6  pDPS= 601  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=143  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1257|960|1623
    drain_soul           Count=  8.6| 6.3sec  DPE= 46030|15%  DPET= 10162  DPR=  90.8  pDPS=1315  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=21  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=19131|13266|23222
    haunt                Count= 29.5|10.2sec  DPE=  4959| 5%  DPET=  4202  DPR=  11.4  pDPS= 489  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3490|3139|4493  Crit= 7305| 6560| 9391|38.5%
    reign_of_the_dead    Count= 14.1|18.5sec  DPE=  2722| 1%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 128  Miss=2.7%  Hit=2316|2316|2316  Crit= 3578| 3578| 3578|37.1%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 94.7| 2.6sec  DPE=  8869|31%  DPET=  4648  DPR=  14.1  pDPS=2802  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6257|5647|8106  Crit=13078|11802|16941|38.3%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.7|16.2sec  DPE= 20422|14%  DPET= 17301  DPR=  37.6  pDPS=1274  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2777|2007|3646  CritTick=5811|4196|7619|47.4%
   succubus  (DPS=484.8)
    lash_of_pain         Count= 48.6| 6.2sec  DPE=   785| 1%  DPET=   525  DPR=   3.1  pDPS= 127  Miss=2.7%  Hit= 706| 673| 784  Crit= 1058| 1010| 1176|27.9%
    succubus_melee       Count=192.2| 1.6sec  DPE=   557| 4%  DPET=   358  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 357  Miss=2.7%  Hit= 509| 479| 582  Crit= 1019|  957| 1164|23.3%  Glance= 382|24.0%  Dodge=5.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    eradication           : start=4.9   refresh=1.0    interval= 50.5|40.8   uptime=18%  benefit=20%  trigger= 6%
    flare_of_the_heavens  : start=5.7   refresh=0.0    interval= 55.2|55.2   uptime=19%  trigger=10%
    haunted               : start=1.7   refresh=27.8   interval=170.9|10.2   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=6.8   refresh=1.3    interval= 46.3|39.2   uptime=98%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 62.9|62.9   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    shadow_embrace        : start=1.2   refresh=123.0  interval=268.7|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance         : start=3.8   refresh=0.2    interval= 55.5|52.6   uptime= 7%  benefit= 3%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     70.3 |   4.31sec : judgement_of_wisdom
      8.1 |  39.21sec : life_tap
     14.1 |  18.52sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6494.3 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    26991.0 : initial_mana          
     5422.9 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    41565.5 : life_tap                (overflow=12.4%)
    16051.9 : replenishment         
     1534.1 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=16.4%)
  Pet "succubus" Gains:
     1059.9 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=83.8%)
    10134.2 : initial_mana       
     1077.1 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=60.0%)
     8632.2 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.6%)
     1351.6 : replenishment        (overflow=77.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.000  Int=0.317  Spi=0.862  SP=1.607  Hit=2.431  Crit=1.168  Haste=1.114
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.317:0.862:1.607:2.431:1.168:1.114;

Player: Warlock_T9_53_00_18_2 undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 9406.2  Error=2.8  Range=814  DPR=30.5  RPS=308.1/240.5  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14604901
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1698|1245(1155)  intellect=1561|1315(1158)  spirit=1136|909(738)  health=23524|19434  mana=26991|23301
  Spell Stats:  power=4020|3049(3049)  hit=11.32%|11.32%(297)  crit=30.23%|23.76%(650)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=29.79%|18.18%(596)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=9.06%|9.06%(297)  crit=28.28%|18.27%(650)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=48.33%|18.18%(596)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2830|2326(2176)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,succubus/snapshot_stats
    life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.7|113.0sec  DPE=419671|25%  DPET=343442  DPR= 827.8  pDPS=2330  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=127  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3615|2586|4779  CritTick=7564|5404|9989|47.5%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.2|25.0sec  DPE= 14236| 6%  DPET= 12986  DPR=  39.3  pDPS= 579  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=142  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1221|926|1577
    drain_soul           Count=  8.6| 6.2sec  DPE= 45912|14%  DPET= 10262  DPR=  90.6  pDPS=1311  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=20  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=19169|13266|23222
    haunt                Count= 29.5|10.3sec  DPE=  4965| 5%  DPET=  4233  DPR=  11.4  pDPS= 489  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3495|3139|4493  Crit= 7314| 6560| 9391|38.5%
    reign_of_the_dead    Count= 13.9|18.8sec  DPE=  2725| 1%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 127  Miss=2.6%  Hit=2316|2316|2316  Crit= 3578| 3578| 3578|37.2%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 95.1| 2.5sec  DPE=  8862|30%  DPET=  4701  DPR=  14.1  pDPS=2811  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6258|5647|8106  Crit=13078|11802|16941|38.2%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.7|16.2sec  DPE= 20458|14%  DPET= 17439  DPR=  37.7  pDPS=1275  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2778|2100|3646  CritTick=5814|4196|7619|47.5%
   succubus  (DPS=484.6)
    lash_of_pain         Count= 48.6| 6.2sec  DPE=   785| 1%  DPET=   525  DPR=   3.1  pDPS= 127  Miss=2.7%  Hit= 706| 673| 784  Crit= 1059| 1010| 1176|27.8%
    succubus_melee       Count=192.2| 1.6sec  DPE=   556| 4%  DPET=   358  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 357  Miss=2.7%  Hit= 510| 479| 582  Crit= 1019|  957| 1164|23.3%  Glance= 382|24.0%  Dodge=5.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust             : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    eradication           : start=6.0   refresh=1.6    interval= 44.0|33.4   uptime=23%  benefit=25%  trigger= 6%
    flare_of_the_heavens  : start=5.7   refresh=0.0    interval= 54.7|54.7   uptime=19%  trigger=10%
    haunted               : start=2.0   refresh=27.5   interval=127.3|10.3   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph        : start=6.6   refresh=1.7    interval= 47.5|38.4   uptime=98%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 62.6|62.6   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    shadow_embrace        : start=1.2   refresh=123.3  interval=277.5|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance         : start=4.7   refresh=0.4    interval= 48.1|45.2   uptime= 8%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     70.6 |   4.28sec : judgement_of_wisdom
      8.2 |  38.38sec : life_tap
     13.9 |  18.77sec : reign_of_the_dead
  Gains:
     6494.3 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    26991.0 : initial_mana          
     5445.0 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    42572.6 : life_tap                (overflow=12.1%)
    16051.9 : replenishment         
     1505.1 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=16.6%)
  Pet "succubus" Gains:
     1059.9 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=83.8%)
    10134.2 : initial_mana       
     1076.7 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=60.0%)
     8632.3 : mp5_regen            (overflow=69.6%)
     1351.8 : replenishment        (overflow=77.7%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.000  Int=0.376  Spi=0.972  SP=1.722  Hit=2.794  Crit=1.248  Haste=1.408
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.376:0.972:1.722:2.794:1.248:1.408;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: abominations_might/arcane_empowerment/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/curse_of_elements
  Constant: earth_and_moon/elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem
  Constant: heart_of_the_crusader/hunters_mark/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch
  Constant: improved_shadow_bolt/infected_wounds/insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just
  Constant: leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/mangle/master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage
  Constant: sanctified_retribution/savage_combat/strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap
  Constant: totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot/unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 77133566
  MaxEventQueue = 34
  TargetHealth  = 5477616
  SimSeconds    = 5999850
  CpuSeconds    = 126.936
  SpeedUp       = 47267

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999604 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_53_00_18    Sta=0.000  Int=0.317  Spi=0.862  SP=1.607  Hit=2.431  Crit=1.168  Haste=1.114  Lag=0.000
  Warlock_T9_53_00_18_2  Sta=0.000  Int=0.376  Spi=0.972  SP=1.722  Hit=2.794  Crit=1.248  Haste=1.408  Lag=0.000

i.e. the scale factors:

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_53_00_18    Sta=0.000  Int=0.317  Spi=0.862  SP=1.607  Hit=2.431  Crit=1.168  Haste=1.114  Lag=0.000
  Warlock_T9_53_00_18_2  Sta=0.000  Int=0.376  Spi=0.972  SP=1.722  Hit=2.794  Crit=1.248  Haste=1.408  Lag=0.000

Warlock_T9_53_00_18_2 is the profile that swaps out Glyph of Curse of Agony for Glyph of Quick Decay.

It scales with Int, Spirit, Spellpower, Hit, Crit and Haste better than the default.
The normalized-to-spellpower scaling for Haste is higher too.

• Zakalwe · 10/24/09, 6:00 AM

Originally Posted by Althor

The choice between Fire Stone and Spell Stone in the default action list is tied to the presence of points in Master Conjuror.

If you have at least 1 point in it then it uses the Spell Stone, otherwise it uses the Fire Stone.

Is there a better option to check to decide which stone to use?

It should check for Haunt as well - I've fixed this in r3646.

• Zakalwe · 10/24/09, 6:23 AM

Originally Posted by Althor

I can't replicate this with the default 53/00/18 T9 profile (making sure it's using spell stone).

I can't replicate this with the default profile either, but it does make sense that this glyph would interact oddly with haste scaling. It creates an interesting "soft cap" for haste where you're forced to recast corruption while under heroism because it ticks out too fast to be refreshed by haunt in time.

Fucty · 10/24/09, 7:01 AM

Tried to run with 596 haste as used in the default profile instead of 502 haste. The scale factors now seem to be rather as expected for quick_decay:

Scale Factors:
  Lrathdornewpatch  Sta=0.00  Int=0.43  Spi=1.05  SP=1.73  Hit=2.10  Crit=1.05  Haste=1.26  Lag=0.00

I would also assume that this is related to forced recast of corruption at a certain amount of haste, like Zakalwe stated above. Olthough I got in both 128 Ticks of Corruption and the count doesen't seem to be remarkably off:

596 haste:

DPS Ranking:
   8632 100.0%  Raid
   8639  100.0%  Lrathdornewpatch

Player: Lrathdornewpatch orc warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 8638.5  Error=3.6  Range=699  DPR=27.0  RPS=319.4/257.2  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16365200
  Core Stats:  strength=324|72(10)  agility=326|74(10)  stamina=1529|1092(1002)  intellect=1379|1150(994)  spirit=933|724(556)  health=21834|17904  mana=24261|20826
  Spell Stats:  power=3488|2578(2578)  hit=11.78%|11.78%(309)  crit=24.35%|17.97%(430)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=29.79%|18.18%(596)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1190|62(0)  hit=9.42%|9.42%(309)  crit=23.47%|13.45%(430)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=48.33%|18.18%(596)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2688|2184(2036)  blockv=162|36(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: life_tap/haunt/quick_decay/kilrogg/drain_soul/unending_breath
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felhunter
    snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/use_item,name=scale_of_fates/blood_fury/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
    haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony/unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
    shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  2.7|65.9sec  DPE=207334|22%  DPET=176350  DPR= 408.9  pDPS=1874  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=128  Tick=3025|2331|3686  CritTick=6333|4872|7704|41.5%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.2|25.0sec  DPE= 12995| 6%  DPET= 11836  DPR=  35.9  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=142  Tick=1118|865|1340
    drain_soul           Count=  8.5| 6.1sec  DPE= 42444|14%  DPET=  9628  DPR=  83.7  pDPS=1200  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=21  Tick=17330|12186|19068
    haunt                Count= 29.6|10.2sec  DPE=  4355| 5%  DPET=  3766  DPR=  10.0  pDPS= 430  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3211|2954|3834  Crit= 6721| 6174| 8013|32.6%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 95.7| 2.5sec  DPE=  7663|28%  DPET=  4145  DPR=  11.7  pDPS=2446  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5667|5262|6730  Crit=11844|10997|14066|32.3%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.7|16.2sec  DPE= 19149|14%  DPET= 16545  DPR=  35.3  pDPS=1192  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=91  Tick=2711|2098|3287  CritTick=5675|4335|6870|41.5%
   felhunter  (DPS=968.7)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.2| 1.6sec  DPE=   768| 6%  DPET=   494  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 493  Miss=2.5%  Hit= 703| 674| 740  Crit= 1407| 1347| 1480|23.1%  Glance= 528|24.0%  Dodge=5.4%
    shadow_bite          Count=140.0| 2.1sec  DPE=  1017| 5%  DPET=   616  DPR=  22.1  pDPS= 475  Miss=2.4%  Hit= 819| 531| 973  Crit= 2047| 1327| 2433|21.3%  Dodge=5.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    blood_fury_sp                   : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=121.3|121.3  uptime=15%
    bloodlust                       : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    eradication                     : start=6.0   refresh=1.6    interval= 44.0|33.5   uptime=23%  benefit=25%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=2.1   refresh=27.5   interval=120.4|10.2   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=257.0  interval=283.0|1.2    uptime=99%
    life_tap_glyph                  : start=4.7   refresh=6.0    interval= 66.3|29.0   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 62.9|62.9   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    molten_core                     : start=4.9   refresh=60.8   interval= 58.3|4.5    uptime=92%  trigger=12%
    scale_of_fates                  : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=121.3|121.3  uptime=20%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=1.2   refresh=124.1  interval=273.9|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                   : start=4.8   refresh=0.3    interval= 47.7|44.9   uptime= 8%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     64.9 |   4.52sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     10.7 |  29.04sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     6493.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    24261.0 : initial_mana          
     5003.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    50113.9 : life_tap                (overflow=9.3%)
    14426.9 : replenishment         
     1067.2 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=17.8%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
      189.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=97.1%)
    10036.7 : initial_mana       
     1553.7 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=57.5%)
       63.6 : mp5_regen            (overflow=96.4%)
      202.0 : replenishment        (overflow=96.6%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.00  Int=0.43  Spi=1.05  SP=1.73  Hit=2.10  Crit=1.05  Haste=1.26
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.43:1.05:1.73:2.10:1.05:1.26;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=94.7   interval=  0.0|2.6    uptime=91%  benefit=91%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 23735889
  MaxEventQueue = 23
  TargetHealth  = 2585712
  SimSeconds    = 3000128
  CpuSeconds    = 16.857
  SpeedUp       = 177975

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999531 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Lrathdornewpatch  Sta=0.00  Int=0.43  Spi=1.05  SP=1.73  Hit=2.10  Crit=1.05  Haste=1.26  Lag=0.00

502 haste:

DPS Ranking:
   8566 100.0%  Raid
   8573  100.0%  Lrathdornewpatch

Player: Lrathdornewpatch orc warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 8572.8  Error=3.6  Range=741  DPR=27.3  RPS=313.7/250.7  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16365200#inventory
  Core Stats:  strength=324|72(10)  agility=326|74(10)  stamina=1529|1092(1002)  intellect=1379|1150(994)  spirit=933|724(556)  health=21834|17904  mana=24261|20826
  Spell Stats:  power=3488|2578(2578)  hit=11.78%|11.78%(309)  crit=24.35%|17.97%(430)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.69%|15.31%(502)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1190|62(0)  hit=9.42%|9.42%(309)  crit=23.47%|13.45%(430)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=44.79%|15.31%(502)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2688|2184(2036)  blockv=162|36(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: life_tap/haunt/quick_decay/kilrogg/drain_soul/unending_breath
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felhunter
    snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/use_item,name=scale_of_fates/blood_fury/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
    haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony/unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
    shadow_bolt/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  2.4|88.4sec  DPE=232189|22%  DPET=194635  DPR= 458.0  pDPS=1874  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=128  Tick=3024|2331|3686  CritTick=6331|4753|7704|41.6%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.2|25.0sec  DPE= 12996| 6%  DPET= 11866  DPR=  35.9  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=142  Tick=1119|865|1340
    drain_soul           Count=  8.4| 6.2sec  DPE= 42120|14%  DPET=  9422  DPR=  83.1  pDPS=1183  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=20  Tick=17338|12186|19068
    haunt                Count= 29.3|10.3sec  DPE=  4357| 5%  DPET=  3713  DPR=  10.0  pDPS= 426  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3212|2954|3834  Crit= 6724| 6174| 8013|32.6%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 93.3| 2.6sec  DPE=  7664|28%  DPET=  4056  DPR=  11.7  pDPS=2387  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5666|5262|6730  Crit=11841|10997|14066|32.4%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.9|16.0sec  DPE= 19168|14%  DPET= 16279  DPR=  35.3  pDPS=1206  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=92  Tick=2711|2098|3287  CritTick=5674|4385|6870|41.5%
   felhunter  (DPS=968.4)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.1| 1.6sec  DPE=   769| 6%  DPET=   494  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 493  Miss=2.4%  Hit= 704| 675| 740  Crit= 1407| 1350| 1480|23.1%  Glance= 528|24.0%  Dodge=5.4%
    shadow_bite          Count=139.9| 2.1sec  DPE=  1016| 6%  DPET=   616  DPR=  22.1  pDPS= 474  Miss=2.5%  Hit= 820| 531| 973  Crit= 2049| 1327| 2433|21.2%  Dodge=5.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    blood_fury_sp                   : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=121.3|121.3  uptime=15%
    bloodlust                       : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    eradication                     : start=6.0   refresh=1.7    interval= 43.9|33.3   uptime=23%  benefit=25%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=2.1   refresh=27.2   interval=113.6|10.3   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=254.7  interval=286.3|1.2    uptime=99%
    life_tap_glyph                  : start=4.7   refresh=5.7    interval= 63.7|30.0   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.0|63.0   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    molten_core                     : start=4.9   refresh=60.8   interval= 58.7|4.5    uptime=92%  trigger=12%
    scale_of_fates                  : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=121.3|121.3  uptime=20%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=1.2   refresh=121.5  interval=277.7|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                   : start=4.8   refresh=0.3    interval= 48.4|45.6   uptime= 8%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     65.0 |   4.50sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     10.3 |  30.01sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     6491.5 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    24261.0 : initial_mana          
     5012.2 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    48099.4 : life_tap                (overflow=9.7%)
    14422.2 : replenishment         
     1116.5 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=17.2%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
      191.8 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=97.1%)
    10036.7 : initial_mana       
     1547.4 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=57.6%)
       64.3 : mp5_regen            (overflow=96.3%)
      204.4 : replenishment        (overflow=96.6%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.00  Int=0.36  Spi=1.00  SP=1.71  Hit=2.23  Crit=1.02  Haste=0.80
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.36:1.00:1.71:2.23:1.02:0.80;

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/sanctified_retribution/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trueshot/windfury_totem
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=92.3   interval=  0.0|2.6    uptime=90%  benefit=91%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 23645439
  MaxEventQueue = 23
  TargetHealth  = 2564307
  SimSeconds    = 2999156
  CpuSeconds    = 16.808
  SpeedUp       = 178436

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999856 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Lrathdornewpatch  Sta=0.00  Int=0.36  Spi=1.00  SP=1.71  Hit=2.23  Crit=1.02  Haste=0.80  Lag=0.00

Edit: What is causing molten_core to show up in the Dynamic Buffs list?

nihilis · 10/24/09, 8:07 AM

i had time to test new glpyh Quick Decay. Everything was expected with my 700 haste counter started from 14 seconds.

but when i haunt refresh it no matter what corruption went up to 18 seconds. NOT back to 14 seconds like probably we all expected. But again this time corruption did hit 7 ticks.

Result: Corruption Original cast hits same amount of ticks but in reduced time
Corruption refreshed by haunt stays 18 seconds on target but tick frequency is increased resulting more ticks.

my idea is blizz just did this to make sure haunt cd wont be problem for Corruption refreshment. actually haunt corruption relation is almost same as is on live.

• Zakalwe · 10/24/09, 8:25 AM

That's an interesting solution. Does anyone know of any other mechanism in the game that works like this? I'm wondering how exactly they go about calculating how many more times it should tick. I suppose the most straightforward way would be to multiply the original number of ticks (6) by your haste, but past experience shows blizzard doesn't always choose the most straightforward way of doing things

Simple way to test it would be to get to 1093 haste rating and see if corruption ticks 8 times after being refreshed by haunt.

Althor · 10/24/09, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Talon

Was there suppose to be a fix to the t9 4 piece not applying to conflag because its still not being applied.

It should be working correctly in SimulationCraft. It's being included in:

Lines 2525 to 2531 of sc_warlock.cpp in r3653

    immolate_multiplier *= 1.0 + ( p -> talents.aftermath         * 0.03 +
                                   p -> talents.improved_immolate * 0.10 +
                                   p -> glyphs.immolate           * 0.10 );

    immolate_multiplier *= 1.0 + ( p -> talents.emberstorm           * 0.03 +
                                   p -> set_bonus.tier8_2pc_caster() * 0.10 +
                                   p -> set_bonus.tier9_4pc_caster() * 0.10 );